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Here's the thing Damaramu. If I were to post a thread about how perfectly wonderful RAW was and that I thought the main event was the best ever... I would totally and completely expect people to come after me in the message board kind of way. By having strong opinions (which I think you'll admit that you do), you always will have people unwilling to agree with your points and try to counter them. This does not equate to flame baiting. This equates to discussion. And sometimes if your opinion is really strong or away from the norm, you have to debate the point with 4 different people... it happens. Not taking everything so personally will do wonders as far as enjoying yourself here. Hell, I disagree with Rudo about 15 times a day but it never resorts to flaming because neither one of us takes it the least bit personally. Unless he curses my name while sitting around his house, which I don't care about since I don't live there.

Yes but whenever someone discusses my opinion that's fine.

When NY and MikeSC are doing nothing but going "All you do is bitch and moan!" that's not discussing nor is it creating discussion. It's flamebaiting. And that's what they both did.

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Yes but whenever someone discusses my opinion that's fine.

When NY and MikeSC are doing nothing but going "All you do is bitch and moan!" that's not discussing nor is it creating discussion. It's flamebaiting. And that's what they both did.

Would it be flamebaiting here to call you an incredibly weak-willed person? Do you not have any idea how to handle criticism? Can you not take an insult once in a while? Relax, this is just the Internet.

 

And read the Monday night thread over. You are literally bitching about stuff happening that is a month away.

 

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

MOTHERFUCKER! LET'S JUST KILL BENOIT NOW BECAUSE THE HOLY BIBLE KID CAN'T FUCKING LAY DOWN FOR ONCE!

 

TRIPLE THREAT BULLSHIT!!!~!~!~! FUCK THAT SHIT!

 

Oh and Benoit has to sell that shitty ass kick like he was shot! BS!

Way to keep the guy strong!

We have Benoit......the rising star that they are trying to get over.

And we have HBK......who can walk into the main event anytime he wants and is bought as a legitimate main eventer by the crowd and can therefore job without losing any heat.

So who jobs!?!?!?

 

Oh yeah if it's a ladder match Benoit will look real strong!

 

Ross: BY GAWD! HHH AND HBK HAVE KNOCKED EACH OTHER OUT! WAIT A MINUTE! THAT DAMN MIDGET IS SNEAKING INTO THE RING! BENOIT IS STEALING IT!

 

You'll hear it (bitching) until Benoit beats HHH and HBK cleanly in single's matches! God I hate Shawn Michaels.........

 

Yes let's forward plan Backlash and leave WM out to dry! I mean it's only the biggest show in our history!

Oh and while we're at it let's have a triple threat ladder match so that HBK and HHH won't have to job!

 

You know they are going to knock one another out allowing Benoit to steal the title. Now if he were to beat both there asses out and knock them out himself then he'd look strong. But that's not going to happen.

 

Let's also not forget that HHH didn't tap while Benoit had him in the crossface. Generally when they're out of a match most people do it to make them look strong.....but not HHH. Wonder if he'll tap in the ladder match?

 

There's much more in that topic, but I don't see the need to filter through all your responses.. Nearly every single post of yours in that Raw thread was bitching and moaning about the Shawn Michaels/Triple H/Chris Benoit angle. You were adding nothing to the discussion except constant screaming about how Benoit's treatment is unfair and how much you hate Shawn Michaels. Reading this for several pages is beyond annoying. How is that improving the folder? Using constant hyperbole, CAPITAL LETTERS, and nonsensical bitching about angles that still have a month to happen. I'm a little upset that Mike, Chris, and I were the only ones to call you out on your childish behavior. I don't look at that as flamebaiting. Flamebaiting would be making fun of you personally, making fun of Oklahoma, etc. Not the fact that you bitched for several pages - in my opinion, that's perfectly justified criticism that you need to seriously take a look at.

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nonsensical bitching about angles that still have a month to happen.

 

I guess I was "nonsensically bitching" about this very same angle more than a month ago, where I said if Benoit was on RAW he'd get sabotaged by HHH and HBK. Doesn't seem so absurd now, does it?

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nonsensical bitching about angles that still have a month to happen.

 

I guess I was "nonsensically bitching" about this very same angle more than a month ago, where I said if Benoit was on RAW he'd get sabotaged by HHH and HBK.  Doesn't seem so absurd now, does it?

No, Rudo, you're a sensical bitcher. When you bitch about stuff, you at least back it up with actual facts. You explain exactly what you think they're doing wrong, what you think they should be doing to build it up instead, and you put it in an intelligent matter.

 

You don't scream garbage like:

 

MOTHERFUCKER! LET'S JUST KILL BENOIT NOW BECAUSE THE HOLY BIBLE KID CAN'T FUCKING LAY DOWN FOR ONCE!

 

There most certainly is a difference.

 

I don't mind people that disagree with my opinions. In fact, I welcome arguing with them just to try to get my point of view across. But in several threads, Dama has refused to listen to other people's thoughts, makes broad statements without backing them up, complains about something for several posts in a row, and is a sole believer of the theory of "If I use all-caps, people will be more likely to listen to me."

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I don't agree with pre-emptive bitching, just because it's awfully silly to criticize WWE for something that hasn't happened. If the criticism is more along the lines of "if this happened, it would suck" and less along the lines of "I can't believe they're doing this" when they haven't even done it yet, I see no problem with it.

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Ok, so if the main issue on the board is that some people don't feel like they can post their opinions without being personally attacked, that's something that can be fixed.

 

Just out of curiosity, are there others who feel this way?

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See NY I have backed up what I said with facts. I backed up my entire discussion in our HBK argument with facts. And yes I do listen to other people's opinions. My opinion has been changed by someone with a good argument. Fact is that your arguments aren't good enough to change my mind.

Yes I scream sometimes but I don't do it every post. Sorry to dissapoint you there kid.

So no I have done nothing wrong. I have not seen myself do anything wrong. And it looks like Rudo hasn't seen me do anything wrong either. Actually I think he agrees with me.

Sorry I don't agree with you NY and I thought that your arguments were to weak to make me change my opinion.

I repeated myself because you couldn't get what I was saying through your head. I thought your counter points were weak and that's why I didn't listen to them. They didn't take with me at all.

Now you can equate that to "Won't listen to anybody!" but I can say the same about you. You kept ignoring my points and going on about how I'm bitching to much and to me that shows that you can't counter my argument therefore you have to complain about me.

 

So no....I haven't done anything wrong.

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Ok, so if the main issue on the board is that some people don't feel like they can post their opinions without being personally attacked, that's something that can be fixed.

 

Just out of curiosity, are there others who feel this way?

I definetly feel this way when I post my discontent with something and then I have to deal with a couple of pages of people getting on my case about it and accusing me of doing nothing but bitching and moaning.

You used the juice box example earlier. Well when they go on for pages that just makes me want to continue to do those things that annoy them and argue with them for a couple of pages.

 

In all of these threads I have not started anything. I have posted my discontent for what I saw on TV and then NY or Mike jump in "Oh god don't start bitching now!"

 

I'm not in the wrong here in any way. I'm in the wrong for taking Mike's baiting and flaming him but I am not in the wrong for voicing my opinion. They are in the wrong for starting shit and jumping down my throat for said opinion.

 

So yes Loss it is a problem.

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Ok, so if the main issue on the board is that some people don't feel like they can post their opinions without being personally attacked, that's something that can be fixed.

 

Just out of curiosity, are there others who feel this way?

I disagree strongly.

 

Since when has there been a epidemic on the WWE folder of people afraid to spread their opinions? I don't see where that problem even exists. There are many that contrast against the normal opinion in that folder: MrZsasz has praised the push of Shawn Michaels over Chris Benoit, Rudo has complained about the Eddie title win and the Benoit Rumble win despite everyone else loving it.....having contrasting opinions isn't the problem. Yes, people might get heated during the arguments and let out an insult here or there, but the fact that there are different opinions on a certain stance is, for the most part, respected.

 

I don't buy this whole "people are afraid to put up their opinions." People in the WWE folder are certainly free to have different thoughts than the norm....as long as they have the balls to back them up. Zsasz and Rudo, among others, sometimes make statements that go against the common Smart Mark response and:

 

a) They argue back against those that disagree

b) Are able to deal with criticism and the occasional dumb insult

 

Some might dislike these two over their opinions, but there's no disputing that they know what they're talking about when they post - and people in the WWE folder respect that.

 

But there are some that don't do as well a job as they do. They go against another opinion but don't back it up. They scream in caps to get attention. They repeat the same points over and over. Then, they mock other opinions and turn around and try to paint themselves as the victim. These are the people that get made fun of on the board because they just look ridiculous. Look at those Dama quotes from the Raw thread again and tell me that it's unacceptable for someone to call him out on his bitching. It was petty, childish, and frankly, a little embarrassing. Those kind of posts are the problems with the WWE folder.

 

There is no shortage of unpopular opinions in the WWE folder. But most posters are mature, willing to argue for their opinions, and put up with the occasional unnecessary insult. Dama seems to be a little more sensitive than anyone else. We saw it when Sakura made a death wish and he practically screamed his head off for her banning. And we see it know. Taking stuff personally on the Internet in a wrestling discussion....that's a problem. Being afraid to share an opinion here at TSM.....has never been a problem and I don't think it's a problem now.

 

And oh Dama, nice innocent Dama....

 

Well when they go on for pages that just makes me want to continue to do those things that annoy them and argue with them for a couple of pages.

 

Couldn't that be considered trolling/flame-baiting? The same thing you are such an avid fighter against?

 

The only difference is.....I'm not going to sit here and whine for action to be taken. Maturity is a wild thing.

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Yeah you've taken the mature path whenever you jumped into that RAW discussion and said something to the effect of "Oh boy now do we have to listen to you bitch for the next few weeks!?"

That started this whole ordeal. I wasn't saying shit to you and nor did I plan to until you said that. That was flame baiting. You could've not said that and everything would've been fine. So don't say that you are the mature one when you stooped that low first.

Second of all once again I do not make arguments without backing up what I say. I backed up everything I said in the HBK argument. You tried to make a counter point but I did not buy your counter points. I thought they were weak and didn't take with me. I tried to say that but you kept spouting them off so I kept spouting my point off in hopes that it would get across to you.

 

Once again I am not in the wrong here at all. And I will continue to post the way I do because I see my points as valid, I see the back up to my arguments as valid, and I see myself doing nothing wrong. I've done it for 4 years and haven't really had any problems so I'm not going to change now. Sorry if you disagree with me and can't take the fact that I think your counter points are weak and don't hold up. You're going to have to deal with it because I'm not going anywhere. I have done nothing wrong. I've been flame baited by you guys and this whole argument was started by you in the RAW folder. If you'd have left me alone I would've quit posting in it and we wouldn't have had that long argument. But you had to make that post about me bitching when I was doing nothing to you nor was I speaking to you.

And frankly I will be afraid to share my opinion if I have to look forward to you doing what you did in every thread. You don't start shit with me and I won't do anything to you. It's that simple.

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Man, Dama. You're not stupid, but you're stubborn, and it's making you look stupid.

 

Just chill a bit and try not to exacerbate the people who bother you. You don't "lose" or anything if you do that and you'll be a lot less pissed off when the day is over.

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Once again I am not in the wrong here at all. And I will continue to post the way I do because I see my points as valid, I see the back up to my arguments as valid, and I see myself doing nothing wrong.

Ok. Read this post very carefully, Damaramu. Read it more than once if you have to, because I don't enjoy repeating myself, either in spoken word or in print.

 

A lot of your problems are self-created. The way you act and react is the reason you get the reactions you do. I've checked a lot of the threads in WWE to confirm this, and there are other ones to support it as well. You need to wise up, grow up, and post like a rational, mature human being who's in control of his faculties and emotions. The staff is tired of, as they put it, cleaning up your messes.

 

I know you're not going to agree with my assessment. You just stated you're not doing anything wrong, you're not part of the problem, and you're not going to change. Understand this: I don't care. I don't care if you can't examine yourself critically, and I don't care how long you've been posting, nor where. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. Right now, you're part of the problem. I know you can be part of the solution. All you have to do is do it.

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I can't post anything on this board without getting attacked by it, because I post my OPINION. I even state in most messages that they are my opinions, and I get "verbally assaulted" (God I sound like a puss) by some people on this board. I'm not going to name names, but rather, I'd just like to emphasize on how hard it is to post a message without someone jumping down your throat.

 

DFA

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Well, it's a message board. Of course people are going to disagree with you. And maybe you should look in the mirror; it might be the way you present your arguement that have people 'jumping down your throat'.

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Well, it's a message board. Of course people are going to disagree with you. And maybe you should look in the mirror; it might be the way you present your arguement that have people 'jumping down your throat'.

In the Royal Rumble thread, I brought that on myself and promply apologized, but they obviously continued with their assault so I retalliated. I'm not hear to make enemies, but rather gain friends. There are people I get along with marvelously on the board, because they haven't jumped down my throat at one of my opinions. They rather, observe, listen, then agree or disagree in a proper manner. Not post a "F*ck You! You're a loser" post. That's all I'm saying.

 

DFA

 

EDIT: And to you CanadianChick, I do apologize for what I said that night. I was obviously overwhelmed by the flames that singed me. :-D

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Well obviously, the stupid, one-liner flames will be dealt with accordingly. But if someone disagrees with your opinion and backs their arguement, I don't see a problem. That's cool that you want to be here to make friends, but you gotta learn to grow a bit of a thicker skin if simple disagreements burn you.

 

And I have no idea what you are talking about: Did we have a spat of some sort?

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"My greatest moment in life was being the SD:HCTP champion as it says next to my name on the left. Not holding a damn video game..... it just represented what I could not represent. Death be to you, you monkey nipple!"

 

"I don't work hard at being stupid! The fact of the matter is this..... Benoit = skill percentage - 72%.........Eddie Guerrero = skill percentage - 90%. Moral of story....shut the hell up! Benoit go to smackdown........Eddie to Raw. The circle of life will be complete (I'm really tired.)

 

In conclusion........ BAH AH AH AH AH! BAH!"

 

"Because I'm the MAN around this hizzy and frankly I don't care whether I'm acting "troll-like" or the sort. I'm expressing my opinion as only DFA can! Now can you dig that............BROTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

 

DFA

 

PS: I'm just a little hyper over that match. I mean HBK aboot took Benoit's head off! w00t w00t"

 

"Guess What?!?!?!? HBK kicked Benoit's little canadian bacon ass! w00t w00t! Sweet Chin Music and alas, Benoit lost 1-2-3.....TEETH that is! I thought that man had "Toothless Aggression," so what happen just there! I can't wait for HBK v HHH at Mania....oh yeah.....and Benoit will be there too so he can make the others look good. Well...enough gloating for tonight as I have to go chug a couple of beers in celebration of Benoit's first (definately not the last) BIG JOB!"

 

"I just have to say I'm more excited to see Eddie more than little cry-babyface Benoit at Mania. All I have to say is HHH better HHHold him down or HBK better kick more teeth down his throat come March 14th or mark my words, this product will go......pffffffft.....down the shitter. I'm so happy Eddie won the WWE Title Homes! He's going to Mania Ese Vato! Oda Le!

 

DFA

 

(I'm not being racist, since I know what the hell I'm saying! And the fact I'm usually racist against my own race (hispanic origin) but tonight........WE CELEBRATE!!!!) "

 

All of the above are quotes by DFA from the last couple of days, the following is by Dames:

 

2. Trolls will be automatically banned. Trolling is defined as the consistent posting of useless material with the intention of getting off-topic and specifically eliciting and inciting undesirable responses from users reading the thread.

 

3. We don't care what you know or what you don't...as long as you can convey your point like a person who speaks English at a somewhat coherent and intelligent level. I'm not asking for perfection when it comes to spelling, grammar and punctuation, but it comes a long way in allowing the rest of us to understand what you're saying. If this becomes an issue, you can be banned due to mod’s discretion. This is a place where people come to unwind, have fun, and/or debate about certain topics. We don't come here to spend precious time translating posts from Stupid-to-English.

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Well, it's a message board. Of course people are going to disagree with you. And maybe you should look in the mirror; it might be the way you present your arguement that have people 'jumping down your throat'.

In the Royal Rumble thread, I brought that on myself and promply apologized, but they obviously continued with their assault so I retalliated. I'm not hear to make enemies, but rather gain friends. There are people I get along with marvelously on the board, because they haven't jumped down my throat at one of my opinions. They rather, observe, listen, then agree or disagree in a proper manner. Not post a "F*ck You! You're a loser" post. That's all I'm saying.

 

DFA

 

EDIT: And to you CanadianChick, I do apologize for what I said that night. I was obviously overwhelmed by the flames that singed me. :-D

From the Raw thread:

 

We should have Eddie Guerrero come to Raw....send lil' ol bitch Benoit back to Smackethdown and all will be right with the world again. I think HBK and HHH *should/would* job to Eddie. I mean I have respect for the man cuz he has the skills to be the champion......Benoit?!? NUH UH!

 

DFA

 

(Edit: On a sidenote, Damaramu's immediate reaction to this:

Do you work hard to be that stupid? Or is it just natural?

Interesting.)

 

 

Was that written with the intention to create intelligent discussion.....or was it just used to invoke a reaction?

 

Once again, here's another case of someone that does something to get some in the folder riled up, then complains about the results when he's called out on his action. You're not innocent either.

 

This is a worse case than Damaramu because, in some cases, he may do it unintentionally. However, this kind of remark was done with the intent to make some board members angry.

 

1) The comment was dumb

2) The comment was done to get a hostile reaction

3) If you say something like that, be prepared to back up your opinions or welcome the criticism that you will get

4) Don't run into another folder and paint yourself as the victim.

 

I love that some of the people who create the trouble in the WWE folder are running here now to complain how they were treated. As I've said, you can contrast from the opinions of others in an intelligent matter, and not be disrespected for it (Zsasz and Rudo). But if you come across as a whiner or as an asshole, you can't complain when someone says something to you.

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"My greatest moment in life was being the SD:HCTP champion as it says next to my name on the left. Not holding a damn video game..... it just represented what I could not represent. Death be to you, you monkey nipple!"

 

"I don't work hard at being stupid! The fact of the matter is this..... Benoit = skill percentage - 72%.........Eddie Guerrero = skill percentage - 90%. Moral of story....shut the hell up! Benoit go to smackdown........Eddie to Raw. The circle of life will be complete (I'm really tired.)

 

In conclusion........ BAH AH AH AH AH! BAH!"

 

"Because I'm the MAN around this hizzy and frankly I don't care whether I'm acting "troll-like" or the sort. I'm expressing my opinion as only DFA can! Now can you dig that............BROTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

 

DFA

 

PS: I'm just a little hyper over that match. I mean HBK aboot took Benoit's head off! w00t w00t"

 

"Guess What?!?!?!? HBK kicked Benoit's little canadian bacon ass! w00t w00t! Sweet Chin Music and alas, Benoit lost 1-2-3.....TEETH that is! I thought that man had "Toothless Aggression," so what happen just there! I can't wait for HBK v HHH at Mania....oh yeah.....and Benoit will be there too so he can make the others look good. Well...enough gloating for tonight as I have to go chug a couple of beers in celebration of Benoit's first (definately not the last) BIG JOB!"

 

"I just have to say I'm more excited to see Eddie more than little cry-babyface Benoit at Mania. All I have to say is HHH better HHHold him down or HBK better kick more teeth down his throat come March 14th or mark my words, this product will go......pffffffft.....down the shitter. I'm so happy Eddie won the WWE Title Homes! He's going to Mania Ese Vato! Oda Le!

 

DFA

 

(I'm not being racist, since I know what the hell I'm saying! And the fact I'm usually racist against my own race (hispanic origin) but tonight........WE CELEBRATE!!!!) "

 

All of the above are quotes by DFA from the last couple of days, the following is by Dames:

 

2. Trolls will be automatically banned. Trolling is defined as the consistent posting of useless material with the intention of getting off-topic and specifically eliciting and inciting undesirable responses from users reading the thread.

 

3. We don't care what you know or what you don't...as long as you can convey your point like a person who speaks English at a somewhat coherent and intelligent level. I'm not asking for perfection when it comes to spelling, grammar and punctuation, but it comes a long way in allowing the rest of us to understand what you're saying. If this becomes an issue, you can be banned due to mod’s discretion. This is a place where people come to unwind, have fun, and/or debate about certain topics. We don't come here to spend precious time translating posts from Stupid-to-English.

Like I said, I was pissed at certain people. I didn't handle it the right way obviously as shown above. I was immature by what I posted as it is obviously shown. I've decided to ignore most people (The ones I get constant flames from.), so I hope that help me out. I apologize for all the childish things I've said, but I'm still a little bitter toward people.

 

CanadianChick: We had a pretty heated scuffle because we didn't agree on something. I won't go into detail, but rather say that I'm sorry for what was said that night.

 

DFA

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1) The comment was dumb

3) If you say something like that, be prepared to back up your opinions or welcome the criticism that you will get

4) Don't run into another folder and paint yourself as the victim.

I was being mistreated well before this. I was mistreated before the Royal Rumble (which is where I started being a dick to people). I was ready to back my opinions if somebody questioned them. I was at the point that I didn't care, but after some questioning of myself, I'm not going to stoop to a low (such as my immaturaty(sp)). I understand now that what I said was dumb, that is why I said above. I'm going to ignore COMPLETELY those who try to "ruffle" my feathers. I'm not going to flood this thread with my explainations (as it is pretty off topic, in some ways), so without further ado, you will see me changed.

 

The reason I came here is because I think a lot of people take flaming to another level, which I'm glad these MOD's are around the moniter it now. Just keep your eyes open, because I've noticed a lot of flaming going on.

 

DFA

 

EDIT: Mr. Chave....I was changing my sig as you wrote the below. It was a shot at those smarks, but now I've moved on. DFA v2.0 is here :-D

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Your sig isn't gonna make any friends either DFA.

 

When you can post in a reasonable manner putting your opinions over in a proper manner, then you can moan that others aen't showing you the respect you deserve.

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Well mod staff......I'll just have to keep posting and we'll have to see where it goes from there.

 

And for the record I am stubborn and I turn everything into a competition. I hate losing. I can misconstrue being passed on the highway as losing. And I do like to have the last word. And it's more subconcious than anything. I'll do it and in the aftermath when the bodies are strewn about I'll say "Oh damn......I did it again." It's probably why me and my dad hate one another because we're both like that.

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Oh yeah and some of my problems are self inflicted. However that one in the music folder was not in the least self inflicted. I posted a question and it turned into the post from hell.

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Dama, that's just one example though. If you admit that most of your problems are self-inflicted, change something!

I don't know what to change. I can say that I'm going to change but it's not going to happen.

I've been posting like this for 4 years. Anyone that was around that long ago can tell you that I've always been this way.

So I don't know how to change it. I just have to keep posting and see what happens.

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How people can "complain" about being "attacked" on a message board is a little odd to me. First, It's a message board. It's not like someone can jump through a screen and punch a person in the face. And taking anything seriously from someone you never met or never will meet thats "flaming" should be ignored because again, it's a MESSAGE BOARD.

 

If anyone thinks their opinions will be appreciated by everyone, they're dead wrong. If everyone agreed on everything, then there'd be no discussion besides "Yup, that's true" or "I agree" crap. So argument pretty much keep this board active and interesting to me.

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No, it's the fact that people can reply to an opinion in a sophisticated manner instead of acting like the other's opinion is dead wrong and cannot be right. I swear, at the top of the WWE Folder, they should post a link to the definition of Opinion. If people read the definition, maybe some rabid-flamers would settle down. Maybe I'm just hoping though.

 

DFA

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