Michael Lockwoods cause of death revealed

[Guest MikeSC]

Im happy that some here at TSM really have no clue what this shit is like...Blessed art thou

Did you father kill himself when you were young?

 

If not, then you have no clue either.

 

Lockwood was a coward who killed himself and basically said "Screw you" to his little daughter.

-=Mike

[snuffbox 0]

Im happy that some here at TSM really have no clue what this shit is like...Blessed art thou

Did you father kill himself when you were young?

 

If not, then you have no clue either.

 

Lockwood was a coward who killed himself and basically said "Screw you" to his little daughter.

-=Mike

Im happy for you duder. I hope you can continue with the righteous life.

[Guest MikeSC]

Im happy that some here at TSM really have no clue what this shit is like...Blessed art thou

Did you father kill himself when you were young?

 

If not, then you have no clue either.

 

Lockwood was a coward who killed himself and basically said "Screw you" to his little daughter.

-=Mike

Im happy for you duder. I hope you can continue with the righteous life.

I hope you never have children or get married if you cannot.

-=Mike

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Yeah, divorcing your wife and seeing the child once a year is REALLY Gonna help that kids life.

[Guest MikeSC]

Yeah, divorcing your wife and seeing the child once a year is REALLY Gonna help that kids life.

Oh yeah, KILLING YOURSELF is going to benefit that little girl so much more.

 

"Why are you crying? Look at the bright side, at least you won't see him only once a year. Or ever have him call. Or write. Nope, better he is dead. Trust me."

-=Mike

[Sass 0]

I've dealt with suicide in both my family and circle of friends more than I'd wish anyone else would have to so I might be able to add some insight into this.

 

Last February my girlfriend's older brother killed himself. He was just 27 years old and had a whole life still ahead of him. He had racked up a debt with a drug dealer which none of us knew about. To say we were all devastated by this would be an understatement. His death was especially saddening for me personally because he, along with my girlfriend, had been there to help me out with my own substance abuse battles and stuck by me when the times were tough and managed to help me beat my demons. After having time to mourn, I was upset with him over how he could leave a hole in our respective families the way he did. If he would have told us about his problems, like I did with him, then perhaps he'd still be alive today.

 

But he's no longer here.

 

I was angry at him since his younger sister, my girlfriend's younger sister, was the first person to find his body and no one in our familes are sure if she has really recovered from that ordeal and are still worried about her.

 

But he's gone now.

 

He was someone I felt close with who I thought could be a great inspiration to people since he was one to me after the way he helped me with my substance abuse problems as well as being a cool guy in general.

 

But he's not around anymore.

 

This guy was someone I thought I'd grow old with and would be able share jokes with over how Madonna still hasn't looked a day over 42 years old when we're pushing 50 and trying to find our old people pills.

 

But I digress.

 

Suicide does hurt those who were close with the person who did it and I hope no one here has or will have this happen to them.

 

People should not jump all over MikeSC for his opinion on this matter because I can assure you he's not out of line with his way of thinking. Michael Lockwood left behind a beautiful young daughter who I had the pleasure of meeting when he worked in UPW and she thought the world about her dad.

 

Suicide is a very selfish act in my view and the only way I find it even remotely acceptable is in the battle fields of war which is still a stretch to me. Other than that extreme, I think suicide is the easy way out for people who could have very well fixed their problems if they would have tried more or talked to the right people.

 

Please don't turn this thread into a flame war. Everyone in here is going to feel differently on the topic of suicide and I'd hate to see things degenerate in this thread.

 

Thank you for your time.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Im happy that some here at TSM really have no clue what this shit is like...Blessed art thou

snuff, you know I love you man, but you're being a dick.

 

Two years ago one of my friends gassed himself in his own car one night after coming home from work. He had just broken up with his long-term girlfriend and was finding it hard to comprehend life without her, and obviously he figured he could not go on any longer.

 

I sat in a church a few days later, two rows back from his parents and brother. I'd like to consider myself pretty tough to crack emotionally in public, but I'll be damned if I didn't want to just cry my eyes out at the sight of his family sobbing uncontrollably, not being able to deliver any address to the 200 plus people that were on hand at the church.

 

To this day, my friends mother undergoes frequent therapy to deal with her loss, his father's business has collapsed due to the emotional strain his son's death has put on him and his brother has sunk into heavy drug and alcohol use.

 

And you know what? Fuck my bastard of a friend for not only killing himself, but his family.

 

Suicide is wrong and any peice of shit who takes that road deserves to rot in hell.

 

UYI

[Guest Ghettoman]

No one knows what he was going through, no one can say they've gone through it too, because unless your name is Michael Lockwood you haven't.

 

But of course it's easy to preach perfection from a computer, it's easy to act like flaws aren't part of reality when we can't be seen.

 

You guys just always have to go over....

[Guest MikeSC]

No one knows what he was going through, no one can say they've gone through it too, because unless your name is Michael Lockwood you haven't.

Everybody suffers. Everybody goes through pain.

 

ADULTS get through it because they recognize that, if nothing else, their death will

harm many people other than themselves.

But of course it's easy to preach perfection from a computer, it's easy to act like flaws aren't part of reality when we can't be seen.

Who's asking for perfection?

 

All I have said is that him killing himself screwed his DAUGHTER --- you know, the biggest VICTIM of his selfishness --- royally. If he won't live for her, then he truly is a selfish little man.

 

And if you can't see that, I hope and pray that you never have a child.

You guys just always have to go over....

Only a blithering idiot would use wrestling terminology in this discussion.

 

If you want to pity poor Michael Lockwood, knock yourself out.

 

My sympathy, once again, goes to that little girl who had a father too selfish to worry about her.

-=Mike

[Guest Ghettoman]

YOU DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

 

Maybe that little girl called him a week before, and they got in a fight, and she said she never wanted to see him again, and that she was better off without a father.

 

Maybe that was the reason he od'd.

 

The bottomline is WE DON'T KNOW. We've never been in the same circumstances, to write off whatever he was going through as 'just problems' shows that none of you have ever gone through those problems.

 

But yeah, rather than simply stay clear of the thread or talk about his career, lets speculate and assume everything we don't know from this position of ultimate perfection we all seem to be stationed at. It's a lot easier that way.

[Guest MikeSC]

YOU DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

 

Maybe that little girl called him a week before, and they got in a fight, and she said she never wanted to see him again, and that she was better off without a father.

 

Maybe that was the reason he od'd.

Because, God knows, little children being upset with their parents never happens. Nope. Not once. I've heard my two year old nephew telling my brother that he hates him. I suppose my brother should kill himself to teach that boy a lesson, huh?

 

Jesus, if Lockwood killed himself for THAT, he IS detestable.

The bottomline is WE DON'T KNOW. We've never been in the same circumstances, to write off whatever he was going through as 'just problems' shows that none of you have ever gone through those problems.

He was a parent. He OWED his child that much. HE brought her into the world. HE has no right to kill himself and leave HER (you know, the innocent one) fatherless.

 

To DEFEND his action is loathesome.

But yeah, rather than simply stay clear of the thread or talk about his career, lets speculate and assume everything we don't know from this position of ultimate perfection we all seem to be stationed at. It's a lot easier that way.

"Let's assume everything"?

 

Hmm, he had a child.

 

He killed himself.

 

He left the child fatherless.

 

WHAT THE HECK ARE ANY OF US "ASSUMING"? Are any of those FACTS in question?

 

The ONLY assumptions here are coming from YOU.

 

Jesus, I hope you never have children if you can't recognize how bad what Michael did actually was.

-=Mike

[Guest Ghettoman]

You don't know she needed a father, you don't know her mother even wanted her to know her father, you don't know how the daughter felt about him, you don't know anything other than he had a daughter and he took his life, and that equates to an afterlife bashing? No. YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE POSITION HE WAS IN. And until you have, all your doing is speculating and assuming something you know nothing about. That soap box your standing on is invisible.

 

But this is the forum where everyone stands 10 feet taller than everyone else, where you don't have to live through something to speak on it, where you don't have to understand something to form an opinion on it.

 

How most of you seem to think you've reached this station in life where you can form an opinion on everyone and everything without anything more than speculation and assumption is astounding.

 

RIP Crash, hopefully if there's another life lined up for you, it will be devoid of whatever pain you wanted to get rid of.

[Guest MikeSC]

You don't know she needed a father

Wow. That is, hands down, the most idiotic thing I've ever read on these boards --- and I remember vicvenomjr on the TNA board. Good lord, this is the kind of thing I'd expect on an AOL message board.

you don't know her mother even wanted her to know her father

Except, well, Sass kind of disproved that. They were getting divorced. It's a little unlikely that his daughter, who while young is not a newborn, was foreign to him.

you don't know how the daughter felt about him

She was a little girl. She didn't hate her father. Heck, even if he ABUSED her (which I would be willing to bet he didn't), she wouldn't have hated him. That's how young children tend to be.

you don't know anything other than he had a daughter and he took his life, and that equates to an afterlife bashing?

Yes, it does. He left his daughter fatherless. He caused his best friend untold grief. He caused many people untold grief.

No. YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE POSITION HE WAS IN. And until you have, all your doing is speculating and assuming something you know nothing about. That soap box your standing on is invisible.

This from the guy assuming that his daughter didn't "need a father"?

 

I've assumed nothing.

 

He had a little girl. He killed himself. His daughter is fatherless.

 

I've never commented on the impact of his death on his larger family. The only people I've mentioned are his daughter and Steven Richards (his best friend and the man whose house he killed himself in).

 

I've made no assumptions.

 

There is NO defense for suicide. None whatsoever. You cannot justify the act, no matter WHAT you're going through.

But this is the forum where everyone stands 10 feet taller than everyone else, where you don't have to live through something to speak on it, where you don't have to understand something to form an opinion on it.

Man, I pray you never have children.

How most of you seem to think you've reached this station in life where you can form an opinion on everyone and everything without anything more than speculation and assumption is astounding.

Seeing as how you, obviously, have never seen the impact on the family of somebody who kills himself, you have precious little room to talk.

RIP Crash, hopefully if there's another life lined up for you, it will be devoid of whatever pain you wanted to get rid of.

If there is one, don't have any kids.

 

Don't sentence MORE children to suffering.

-=Mike

[notJames 0]

On doit des égards aux vivants; on ne doit aux morts que la vérité.

-Voltaire

 

(To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth.)

 

My respect and sympathy go to those he left behind. As tragic as his death was, it was still avoidable. Still, a loss is a loss. RIP, Michael Lockwood.

[Guest Ghettoman]

"Wow. That is, hands down, the most idiotic thing I've ever read on these boards --- and I remember vicvenomjr on the TNA board. Good lord, this is the kind of thing I'd expect on an AOL message board."

 

Why? I've lived without a father my entire life, his presence only would of hindered my growth. I know of him, I know about his relationship with my mother, and I know I don't need him in my life.

 

"Except, well, Sass kind of disproved that. They were getting divorced. It's a little unlikely that his daughter, who while young is not a newborn, was foreign to him."

 

And....I lived with my dad for a year, I still don't have memories of that family being together or him being a father to me. Maybe her mother wanted it to be that way.

 

"She was a little girl. She didn't hate her father. Heck, even if he ABUSED her (which I would be willing to bet he didn't), she wouldn't have hated him. That's how young children tend to be."

 

Ah yes because every child thats abused doesn't form resentment or feelings of strong hatred towards the person that did it. What planet are you from. It's one thing to form an opinion on speculation and assumption, it's another to speculate and assume things that are ridiculous. By the age of 6 the only feelings for my dad I could muster were hate, hate for what he did to my mother, hate for how he left my family. I didn't know any love for him whatsoever.

 

"Yes, it does. He left his daughter fatherless. He caused his best friend untold grief. He caused many people untold grief."

 

And what about him? What kind of grief was he going through? Why should he of just grinned and beared it for the sake of others over himself? I mean knowing the circumstances, I wonder just why you think he killed himself. Because he had too much back pain, becaue he was sad, or becaue he was feeling a type of mental and physical pain where all he could do was think about getting rid of it? YOU DON'T KNOW, so stop acting like you do. Until you've felt that pain and worked through it you have no right to say what he should of done.

 

"This from the guy assuming that his daughter didn't "need a father"?

 

I've assumed nothing.

 

He had a little girl. He killed himself. His daughter is fatherless.

 

I've never commented on the impact of his death on his larger family. The only people I've mentioned are his daughter and Steven Richards (his best friend and the man whose house he killed himself in).

 

I've made no assumptions.

 

There is NO defense for suicide. None whatsoever. You cannot justify the act, no matter WHAT you're going through."

 

You haven't made any assumptions? Your still assuming that whatever he felt it was enough to work through, yet you haven't felt it, so how would you know? No there is a defense to suicide, it's called don't act like you've been through something you haven't. We don't know the pain he felt or why he reached the conclusion he did, so where do we get the right to judge him on it?

 

"Man, I pray you never have children."

 

Why, because I might teach them to not to judge people if they've never been in there shoes, because I might make them have respect for the deceased, because when my life of parenting is over they might realize that without going through something you can't tell someone else how to? Oh god save those children....

 

"Seeing as how you, obviously, have never seen the impact on the family of somebody who kills himself, you have precious little room to talk."

 

Wait I thought you never assumed anything? I've known one family who's dealt with it, they weren't angry, they weren't attacking him, all they were doing was hoping whatever it was that made him reach that conclusion was now out of his existance. They knew that they didn't feel what he was feeling, they realized because of that they couldn't talk about him like they were all right there with him feeling that pain. That family is the reason I've formed the opinion on the subject I have. But of course, that doesn't fit with your arguement, so go ahead and write it off however you can.

 

"If there is one, don't have any kids.

 

Don't sentence MORE children to suffering."

 

Yes, next time he better deal with that pain we've never felt, just like we would. With uncanny perfection and pre-thought.

[Guest MikeSC]

"Wow. That is, hands down, the most idiotic thing I've ever read on these boards --- and I remember vicvenomjr on the TNA board. Good lord, this is the kind of thing I'd expect on an AOL message board."

 

Why? I've lived without a father my entire life, his presence only would of hindered my growth. I know of him, I know about his relationship with my mother, and I know I don't need him in my life.

And how do you KNOW your father would have only hindered your growth? I'm sure your mother is a nice lady and all --- but I'd ALSO imagine that her opinions of your father are a little jaded and the info she provided you about him likely aren't exactly impartial.

 

There is a reason why kids raised by single moms with no contact with their fathers TEND to have problems with crime and violence (I'm not saying YOU do, I'm saying that far more kids from single parent families have the problems than kids from intact families).

"Except, well, Sass kind of disproved that. They were getting divorced. It's a little unlikely that his daughter, who while young is not a newborn, was foreign to him."

 

And....I lived with my dad for a year, I still don't have memories of that family being together or him being a father to me. Maybe her mother wanted it to be that way.

You are making assumptions based upon your life and ignoring that most youth crime data tends to go against your example. You might have turned out peachy.

 

Good for you.

 

A great deal of boys raised by single moms do not.

"She was a little girl. She didn't hate her father. Heck, even if he ABUSED her (which I would be willing to bet he didn't), she wouldn't have hated him. That's how young children tend to be."

 

Ah yes because every child thats abused doesn't form resentment or feelings of strong hatred towards the person that did it.

When they're extremely young, no. That comes later.

What planet are you from. It's one thing to form an opinion on speculation and assumption, it's another to speculate and assume things that are ridiculous. By the age of 6 the only feelings for my dad I could muster were hate, hate for what he did to my mother, hate for how he left my family. I didn't know any love for him whatsoever.

And YOU assume that YOUR life is how EVERYBODY lived. Not quite the case.

 

My parents got divorced when I was 12. My dad stayed in constant contact. His presence was a good thing.

 

There is no evidence of Michael being a dick. He allegedly had a drinking problem, but nobody has said a negative word about how he treated his child.

 

Your dad, I guess, was a jerk. So be it. How much of your hatred, though, honestly stems from what you were told about him?

"Yes, it does. He left his daughter fatherless. He caused his best friend untold grief. He caused many people untold grief."

 

And what about him? What kind of grief was he going through?

WHO CARES?

 

If he asked for somebody to talk to, I'd support him.

 

He chose to OD, screw up his daughter's life, screw up his best friend's life, etc. I'm stunned that you can actually JUSTIFY this.

Why should he of just grinned and beared it for the sake of others over himself?

Because he was an adult, for the love of God.

I mean knowing the circumstances, I wonder just why you think he killed himself. Because he had too much back pain, becaue he was sad, or becaue he was feeling a type of mental and physical pain where all he could do was think about getting rid of it? YOU DON'T KNOW, so stop acting like you do. Until you've felt that pain and worked through it you have no right to say what he should of done.

He HAD A CHILD. He had a reason to live --- and he chose that rather than face his pain and move on to a new chapter in his life, he decided to take the path of the weak and just off himself.

"This from the guy assuming that his daughter didn't "need a father"?

 

I've assumed nothing.

 

He had a little girl. He killed himself. His daughter is fatherless.

 

I've never commented on the impact of his death on his larger family. The only people I've mentioned are his daughter and Steven Richards (his best friend and the man whose house he killed himself in).

 

I've made no assumptions.

 

There is NO defense for suicide. None whatsoever. You cannot justify the act, no matter WHAT you're going through."

 

You haven't made any assumptions? Your still assuming that whatever he felt it was enough to work through, yet you haven't felt it, so how would you know?

Because there is NOTHING you can't work through.

 

Nothing.

 

If you kill yourself, you're just too much of a scared little child to handle the problems that life throws at you.

 

Don't even attempt to paint somebody who kills himself as a martyr.

No there is a defense to suicide, it's called don't act like you've been through something you haven't.

Suicide is cowardly and selfish.

We don't know the pain he felt or why he reached the conclusion he did, so where do we get the right to judge him on it?

Because he hurt far more people than he had any right to.

"Man, I pray you never have children."

 

Why, because I might teach them to not to judge people if they've never been in there shoes, because I might make them have respect for the deceased, because when my life of parenting is over they might realize that without going through something you can't tell someone else how to? Oh god save those children....

Because the moment you have a problem, those kids will become fatherless because you don't feel you should live for anybody else.

"If there is one, don't have any kids.

 

Don't sentence MORE children to suffering."

 

Yes, next time he better deal with that pain we've never felt, just like we would. With uncanny perfection and pre-thought.

Yes, he better.

 

It isn't perfection.

 

It's being an adult.

-=Mike

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

You're assuming Lockwood was balanced and stable enough to consider the consequences of his action.

 

People who commit suicide are severely emotionally and mentally unbalanced. Sure, its a terrible thing, a selfish thing. But to these people it seems like the only way out. It isn't of course, but it seems that way.

 

I can understand hating the act, but dont hate the man.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Jesus christ, I was using myself as an example of why your assumptions don't hold up, not as a standard.

 

You can't judge what you don't know, it's that simple. Saying because he was an adult he should of just worked through it when you have no idea what the hell your saying he should work through in the first place is not right.

 

And who's to say he had custody let alone rights at all to that child? If a child is enough reason to live, wouldn't not being able to have that child be enough reason to die? Again this is just offering up other possibilities from what your saying now. It all leads back to the fact that you can't talk about what you don't know.

 

"Because there is NOTHING you can't work through."

 

It's so easy to say that when your not there isn't it? I mean unless you've felt everything, how are you in a position to talk? You don't know what he's going through, so how can you tell him to work through it? How do you know that's not the equivelant of facing someone at a brick wall and telling them to walk straight 40 feet? You don't. So stop acting and talking like you do.

 

And I like the assumption that I'm condoning suicide, I'm simply saying in the position your in you have no right to judge at all. You don't know what he was feeling, you don't know that you'd be able to work through it or that everyone could and should. You simply don't know. Instead of hoping you don't get there, you simply act like you have and came back in glory and now have the right to judge and judge all. It's sickening.

 

I can easily say now that I'd never commit suicide, that I've gotten through some tough things before. But I'm not there, I'm not in the mindframe, I'm not that low, I'm not that down, I'm not anywhere near the position he was in. So how can I act like I am?!

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

How old is his daughter again? If it was mentioned in the arguments, I don't feel like reading through them.

[Guest Ghettoman]

"young but not an infant" from what I've gathered.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

"young but not an infant" from what I've gathered.

So she could be 2 years old. I was under the impression she was like 10.

[notJames 0]

His daughter is seven, according to this article from the Salisbury Post in North Carolina.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

His daughter is seven, according to this article from the Salisbury Post in North Carolina.

Damn, I was wrong. In my defense, I said COULD. LOL

[notJames 0]

What's up with his ex-wife's name(s)? Christeena? N'keigh?!?

[Guest MikeSC]

Jesus christ, I was using myself as an example of why your assumptions don't hold up, not as a standard.

Your example is an exception to the rule.

 

Magic Johnson has, apparently, beaten the HIV virus.

 

Is he the norm?

You can't judge what you don't know, it's that simple. Saying because he was an adult he should of just worked through it when you have no idea what the hell your saying he should work through in the first place is not right.

There is NOTHING you cannot work through.

And who's to say he had custody let alone rights at all to that child?

According to the article, it wasn't his estranged wife kid, so he obviously had custody rights.

If a child is enough reason to live, wouldn't not being able to have that child be enough reason to die? Again this is just offering up other possibilities from what your saying now. It all leads back to the fact that you can't talk about what you don't know.

Let's say you don't have custody.

 

You just KILL yourself?

 

No, you clean up your act, go to court, and GET some visitation rights with the child.

 

The ONLY people who I'd condone committing suicide would be people who abuse children. Then, their suicide is actually a benefit for humanity.

 

Otherwise, no.

"Because there is NOTHING you can't work through."

 

It's so easy to say that when your not there isn't it? I mean unless you've felt everything, how are you in a position to talk? You don't know what he's going through, so how can you tell him to work through it? How do you know that's not the equivelant of facing someone at a brick wall and telling them to walk straight 40 feet? You don't. So stop acting and talking like you do.

 

And I like the assumption that I'm condoning suicide, I'm simply saying in the position your in you have no right to judge at all. You don't know what he was feeling, you don't know that you'd be able to work through it or that everyone could and should. You simply don't know. Instead of hoping you don't get there, you simply act like you have and came back in glory and now have the right to judge and judge all. It's sickening.

Everybody goes through hardships.

 

How you handle it determines whether you're an adult or a little child.

 

Lockwood was a cowardly little child.

I can easily say now that I'd never commit suicide, that I've gotten through some tough things before. But I'm not there, I'm not in the mindframe, I'm not that low, I'm not that down, I'm not anywhere near the position he was in. So how can I act like I am?!

I've been REAL down in my life and I've never ONCE even considered suicide as an option.

 

It ISN'T one.

-=Mike

[Guest Ghettoman]

Not at where your at, which seems to be this big tall soapbox filled with plaques of acheivements related to hardship and strife, complete with pictures of your after glory.

 

No use discussing an issue with someone who doesn't understand the word perspective.

[Sass 0]

Mike and Ghettoman:

 

Either take this issue to PM or else I'm going suspend both of you for cluttering this thread up with your bickering.

 

Thanks.

[snuffbox 0]

Im happy that some here at TSM really have no clue what this shit is like...Blessed art thou

snuff, you know I love you man, but you're being a dick.

 

Two years ago one of my friends gassed himself in his own car one night after coming home from work. He had just broken up with his long-term girlfriend and was finding it hard to comprehend life without her, and obviously he figured he could not go on any longer.

 

I sat in a church a few days later, two rows back from his parents and brother. I'd like to consider myself pretty tough to crack emotionally in public, but I'll be damned if I didn't want to just cry my eyes out at the sight of his family sobbing uncontrollably, not being able to deliver any address to the 200 plus people that were on hand at the church.

 

To this day, my friends mother undergoes frequent therapy to deal with her loss, his father's business has collapsed due to the emotional strain his son's death has put on him and his brother has sunk into heavy drug and alcohol use.

 

And you know what? Fuck my bastard of a friend for not only killing himself, but his family.

 

Suicide is wrong and any peice of shit who takes that road deserves to rot in hell.

 

UYI

Hmmm.

 

I think you might have just helped me greatly with that post UYI. Seriously.

 

And Sass as well, with his post.

 

See, suicide has greatly impacted my life from a very young age. I wont get into details. And, only days ago I learned that a good friend of mine commited suicide in a very horrific manner. I wont discuss it further...but my statements in this thread have obviously been biased by this. I have not posted with a fair, thoughtful, or level head.

 

I apologize if I actually offended anyone, Mike in particular. And Id like to thank Sass and UYI for saying some shit to set me a lil straighter.

[Papacita 0]

I can see both sides of the issue. As much as I used to joke about it here at TSM, the main reason I would never commit suicide is because I know how it'd effect my family. However, I have a problem with people calling it the easy way out. I dunno about the rest of you, but speaking for myself, the concept of death isn't an easy one for me. When you factor in the uncertainty of what happens after you die, and the fact that there's no coming back from it, death can be a scary thing, and the way I look at it, for someone to voluntarily subject himself to that, he *must* have been going through some serious shit. To me, that's a tough decision to make, and if Crash was at the point where he felt that death was the only way out...I won't say I respect the decision, but I'm not sure that I can fault him for it either.

 

It's already been said, but I do feel for his wife and his daughter.

[Guest MikeSC]

I can see both sides of the issue.  As much as I used to joke about it here at TSM, the main reason I would never commit suicide is because I know how it'd effect my family. However, I have a problem with people calling it the easy way out.  I dunno about the rest of you, but speaking for myself, the concept of death isn't an easy one for me.  When you factor in the uncertainty of what happens after you die, and the fact that there's no coming back from it, death can be a scary thing, and the way I look at it, for someone to voluntarily subject himself to that, he *must* have been going through some serious shit.

Thing is --- killing yourself is significantly easier than dealing with the hardships of everyday life.

 

When you get knocked down, just ending it is easy.

 

Picking yourself up --- THAT is difficult.

 

How 'bout this --- I used to work in a casino. One of my bosses was once a HIGHLY respected rock photographer. He travelled and took photos of just about every major group of the 60's and 70's.

 

Something happened and he lost EVERYTHING. He wouldn't go into details, but the assumption he left you with was drugs caused it.

 

So, he lost his career. The money. The life he worked so hard to live.

 

And I respected the heck out of him simply because HE DID IT. He didn't throw in the towel when his life went to crap. He dusted himself off and slowly rebuilt himself up from nothing and continued living.

 

THAT takes courage. THAT takes guts. THAT takes maturity.

 

Killing yourself, on the other hand, is easy. No more pain for you. You simply multiply your pain many times over and spread it over a LARGE group of people.

-=Mike