Malcolm X......

[Guest MikeSC]

"Your Paragon of Virtue" Sums up my thougts. Reading this thread, I was about to post basicly what he said, but you beat me to it. Well put.

 

As for Spike Lee's skills. He's a very solid director and writer. 25th Hour, Jungle Fever, Do the Right Thing, He Got Game, Summer of Sam, Clockers, and X are all good to very good movies. SOS, and 25th Hour being my favorites. I don't think he sucks at all.

Don't see it. I really don't.

 

"Jungle Fever" Was a heapin' helping of OK.

"Do the Right Thing" was the same. I'd give it a B- if I was to give a grade.

"He Got Game" was bad. Just plain ol' bad.

"Clockers", honestly, is one of my least favorite movies of all time. And I usually like John Turturro, but that film was just painful to watch.

"Summer of Sam" was OK at best. Again, nothing special.

"X" was bad. That film showed how much an editor is needed.

-=Mike

[ant_7000 0]

I think "Girl 6" was the worst movie Spike ever directed.

 

Mo Betta Blues: was ok

Crooklyn: Was ok

Clockers: Didn't like it all that much

Do the right thing: Great

X: Great

He got Game: One of my favorite B-Ball movies

[Ripper 0]

"Your Paragon of Virtue" Sums up my thougts. Reading this thread, I was about to post basicly what he said, but you beat me to it. Well put.

 

As for Spike Lee's skills. He's a very solid director and writer. 25th Hour, Jungle Fever, Do the Right Thing, He Got Game, Summer of Sam, Clockers, and X are all good to very good movies. SOS, and 25th Hour being my favorites. I don't think he sucks at all.

Don't see it. I really don't.

 

"Jungle Fever" Was a heapin' helping of OK.

"Do the Right Thing" was the same. I'd give it a B- if I was to give a grade.

"He Got Game" was bad. Just plain ol' bad.

"Clockers", honestly, is one of my least favorite movies of all time. And I usually like John Turturro, but that film was just painful to watch.

"Summer of Sam" was OK at best. Again, nothing special.

"X" was bad. That film showed how much an editor is needed.

-=Mike

"Jungle Fever": Had 2 stories that Lee attempted to tie together but did so horribly. The story of "Gator" and his drug addiction was the interesting part while i couldn't have given less of a shit about Snipe's character.

 

"Do the Right Thing" - Good film.

 

"He Got Game" - Ray Allen cannot act to save his life. Putting him on screen for the entire film killed the great performance by Washington and basically everyone else in the movie dead from the begainging. Get a better actor and this is a good film.

 

"Clockers"- I can't put my hate for this film in any type of context.

 

"Summer of Sam" - Lee did his best job of building characters in this film...only the movie went NOWHERE. It was 2+ hours of nothing. There was no point. It was just a pointless film. Not bad...not good...just...there.

 

"X" - Did an incredible job on this film. I don't know where your gripes are on this one Mike, but I can't see much chopping you could do off this film. Its not ridiculously overly long like, say, Scarface or Meet Joe Black, where it looks like they just didn't hire editors, it was just as long as necessary.

 

"She's Gotta Have It" - Indie film buffs love it. I found it to be another pointless plodding movie with no point...much like Summer of Sam.

 

"Bamboozled" - If he was serious about this film, then I hated it. If it was suppose to be a parody of a Spike Lee film (all the white characters are either blatantly racist, or unintentially racist, all of the women or either weak or slept their way to the top, and all the black people are just waiting for thier chance to sell out) then I think it was incredible. I don't think he was going for parody though.

 

"Girl Six" - Um...how about that soundtrack by Prince...that kicked ass....yeah...that...thats about it.

 

thats all I got time for now...but just to summerize...I don't really like Spike Lee, but Malcom X was a damn good film...and I don't particuarly care for Malcom X either.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Mo Better Blues was good too, people forget about that one.

 

Bamboozled had a good first hour, than it became all overly dramatic and shitty at the end, what with Mos Def kidnapping the tap dancer and such.

[DangerousDamon 0]

He Got Game is a fucking awesome movie, because it really does illustrate how it is to be recruited by a big time star. Trust me, with a dad who was recruited to play big-time college football, a good friend who plays at State and Michigan, and a brother and another friend getting looked at by big-time schools as freshman and juniors respectively, who has seen what the life of a recruit is I would say that it was a very accurate portrayal with some good drama and the funniest sex scene ever in a movie, imo ("Hey, Jesus come meet our assistant coaches"). Shit, with coaches like Jill Kelly and Chasey Lain (?) who wouldnt go to Tech U.

[ant_7000 0]

^ Well, Jesus didn't go to Tech U. eventhough he banged those two chicks, I know he did go to Big State for his pops and all but Big State had better looking females anyway. But there's girls that are like that, if they think you got a shot at going pro and making millions they'll be drooling/slobbing all over your dick.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

I didn't think that X was that bad a movie. Very solid. Denzel was great, but unfortunately had to run the year Pachino got his pity oscar for Scent of a Woman.

 

As for Malcolm X's murder. I think it had to do with the fact that after his mecca, he truly began to understand what Islam is about, and was now going to be more open to working with King among others, while preaching instead of "The Great White Devil" and that any help from any race is greatly appreciated. but first the Black man must learn to live productive lives. And the line in the Movie that I remember was "White people who want to help, should be allowed to, but first we need to learn to love one another first. Also finding out tha Elijah Mohammed was not the picture perfect leader he was made out to be.

 

But I think that this scared many of the Black Islam movement too much, and what ultimately left him to be gunned down in 1965. Sometimes when life has been unfair to you, that can lead to anger. Malcom X was very angry (of course I would be too, being thrown into the slammer, while the two white women he was with got off with lenient sentences, can do that to a man. But I feel that he was willing to change, and what he might have been able to accomplish will never be fully realize. Becuase the assasins were definately sent by the Black Islam movement to put a stop of someone who was becomming more powerfull and had the opportunity to overshawdow the message of "Black Sepratism" which was being used by many.

 

Sometimes the ones who pose the biggest problem to the message you are trying to concieve, need to be taken down.

[Guest Anglesault]

Summer of Sam is the only Lee movie I've seen more than once. Three times, actually.

 

1st time I loved it, second I hated it, third time I thought it was pretty good, but overall, I felt unsatisfied.

[Guest Brian]

I think what Malcolm X saw, much like King, was that these injustices were being perpetrated on much more levels on race, but the struggles were all connected. It'd be quite a lesson for the left to learn.

[Ripper 0]

I might be confused, but I thought Malcom X was still a segregationist till his death. I can't really have ever seen him working with King, seeing as they were on opposite sides of the battle.

[Guest Cerebus]

I might be confused, but I thought Malcom X was still a segregationist till his death. I can't really have ever seen him working with King, seeing as they were on opposite sides of the battle.

At one time, Malcolm X actually wanted "to join forces with King and the progressive elements of the Civil Rights Movement," (pg. 262, Malcolm X: The man and his times).

 

http://www.studyworld.com/newsite/ReportEs...m_X-9233129.htm

[Ripper 0]

Yes, the progressive elements meaing the betterment of black people, but unless I am confused, Malcom belived that integration was not to way to do it and that blacks and whites should stay separate.

 

Guess my lazy ass could go and research instead of trying to go off my shakey memory of the philosophies of historical figures.... *sighs*

[Papacita 0]

Yes, the progressive elements meaing the betterment of black people, but unless I am confused, Malcom belived that integration was not to way to do it and that blacks and whites should stay separate.

 

Guess my lazy ass could go and research instead of trying to go off my shakey memory of the philosophies of historical figures.... *sighs*

Malcolm never preached integration from what I can recall. He was a little more tolerent...tolerant...whatever, you know how it's spelled, but I think you're right. His main goal was the betterment of black people, not to bring blacks and whites together.

 

And I wasn't gonna respond to this since you were all talking about the movie, but while I'm here I might as well get at this...

 

I haven't done much research on it, so I can't really say who his killers were, but I would assume that it's NOI. From what is known black people shot him, and there weren't many black people in the CIA at the time.

Again, the Nation was highly infiltrated by the government. Considering that it was a black-only movement, how else would they have been able to infiltrate it than by using black people? There are more than a few documents floating around from J. Edgar Hoover and the like detailing their infiltration of black movements dating back to Garvey's UNIA back in the 30's and 40's.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I've only seen "Do The Right Thing" and I thought he really hit the nail on the head with that one.

 

I've heard from many that his most recent movie, The 25th Hour, is his best. I'm going to rent it and find out.

[Guest Brian]

They infiltrated alot of the black movements, like CORE and the Black Panthers. That's how they got the floor plan to the Chicago apartment that Fred Hampton was staying in; one of the body guards was on the take.

[Guest MikeSC]

Yes, the progressive elements meaing the betterment of black people, but unless I am confused, Malcom belived that integration was not to way to do it and that blacks and whites should stay separate.

From what I read about him, after his visit to Mecca, his views DID change. One of the conspiracy theories was that at the speech where he ended up getting murdered was that he was going to support integration at that point. And God knows the movie definitely implied that his views on black seperatism COMPLETELY changed hortly before his death.

Again, the Nation was highly infiltrated by the government. Considering that it was a black-only movement, how else would they have been able to infiltrate it than by using black people? There are more than a few documents floating around from J. Edgar Hoover and the like detailing their infiltration of black movements dating back to Garvey's UNIA back in the 30's and 40's.

Thing is, Hoover didn't have a single black agent working in the FBI. He was not exactly the most open-minded guy.

-=Mike

[Papacita 0]

Again, the Nation was highly infiltrated by the government. Considering that it was a black-only movement, how else would they have been able to infiltrate it than by using black people? There are more than a few documents floating around from J. Edgar Hoover and the like detailing their infiltration of black movements dating back to Garvey's UNIA back in the 30's and 40's.

Thing is, Hoover didn't have a single black agent working in the FBI. He was not exactly the most open-minded guy.

-=Mike

All the more reason he had to tear down these groups.

 

Plus, you don't need to be a government agent in order to cooperate with them, and plenty of blacks did.

[Guest MikeSC]

Again, the Nation was highly infiltrated by the government. Considering that it was a black-only movement, how else would they have been able to infiltrate it than by using black people? There are more than a few documents floating around from J. Edgar Hoover and the like detailing their infiltration of black movements dating back to Garvey's UNIA back in the 30's and 40's.

Thing is, Hoover didn't have a single black agent working in the FBI. He was not exactly the most open-minded guy.

-=Mike

All the more reason he had to tear down these groups.

 

Plus, you don't need to be a government agent in order to cooperate with them, and plenty of blacks did.

Thing is, would he trust blacks to do it?

 

I mean, honestly, he didn't like them at all. God knows he friggin' LOATHED MLK --- would he trust blacks to give him good info?

-=Mike

[Papacita 0]

Again, the Nation was highly infiltrated by the government. Considering that it was a black-only movement, how else would they have been able to infiltrate it than by using black people? There are more than a few documents floating around from J. Edgar Hoover and the like detailing their infiltration of black movements dating back to Garvey's UNIA back in the 30's and 40's.

Thing is, Hoover didn't have a single black agent working in the FBI. He was not exactly the most open-minded guy.

-=Mike

All the more reason he had to tear down these groups.

 

Plus, you don't need to be a government agent in order to cooperate with them, and plenty of blacks did.

Thing is, would he trust blacks to do it?

 

I mean, honestly, he didn't like them at all. God knows he friggin' LOATHED MLK --- would he trust blacks to give him good info?

-=Mike

Who else could have given him info?

[ant_7000 0]

^ They could've tapping phone lines as well. The CIA might've been getting some info from blacks that weren't for the movement. *shrugs*

[Guest Cover of Darkness]

I thought Malcolm X really went downhill in the late 90's when it became all about the holo-foil covers and Rob Liefield was doing the art.

[Guest Cover of Darkness]

Double post.