ant_7000 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 And Ant, whats up with blowing up that talentless tone def ass Jon B. You know the difference between Jon B and Timberlake, Justin has never gotten on televison professing how much finer black women are than any other women while dating a white girl just to get a pop from the audience. Justin has actual vocal skill and doesn't sound like an American Idol low-light with out the studio magick that Jon B used. The guy makes Tyra Banks sound like Whitney Houston in comparison. Not liking Timberlake is one thing, but to say that he wasn't influenced by alot of the Performers from Mo Towns past(hell everyone and their mother calls him a MJ rip off) is just plain ridiculous. Actually, Jon B. is married to a black woman. I guess that Jon doesn't dance so he doesn't get as much attention as Timberfake. Ripper, you talk about Jon B's comment getting pops from black audience, I find that funny because look at Timberfake, he went from curly hair, clean shaving, and squeaky soft voice to bald fade, goatee, and talking with a deep drawl in his voice. Its obvious the label covinced him to change his image so he can appeal to black listeners. Im glad Justin got removed to host the show, so I don't have hear him being in forced ebonic/slang mode. I mean they could have Teena Marie hosting or that McDonald guy from the Dobbie Brothers hosting, instead of Timberfake. But can you name one boy band member that still acts like the pretty boy studio made thing they were before they got away from the group. Look at the members of N-Sync and compare their look, and how they act as opposed to what they were like when they came out. They were caricitures of human beings when they first stepped out on the scene. THAT is a studio made persona. And how in the flipping hell does Timberlake act "black". I just don't see all this "he's fake" thing that people want to toss on him now. I honestly don't care for his music, but jeez, the guy acts like a normal human being now and not that THING that he was in N-sync. At least that is what I see. Justin is still a pop star who's attempting to do Pop/R&B. Ever since Justin went solo, he changed his image I saw right through it. Its similar to the Vanilla Ice suitation in terms of appealing to black listeners. To me, Justin doesn't respect the R&B culture, he's just exploiting it to make money. I think he's talented but his image is fake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted February 26, 2004 but you would agree that he's young, talented, pretty, and marketable, right? With tons of crossover appeal? I don't see the logic in kicking an A-list musician that EVERYONE knows and most people like, off of one's award show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 but you would agree that he's young, talented, pretty, and marketable, right? With tons of crossover appeal? I don't see the logic in kicking an A-list musician that EVERYONE knows and most people like, off of one's award show. possibly because Timberlake's audience is not going to be watching a motown awards show in the first place, unless it is not REALLY a motown awards show and more of a modern day r&b awards show just using the MoTown name to look better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted February 26, 2004 It's popular music on television. It's the same audience that always watches that shit. The Motown is to garner the older black audience, Timberlake is for the young white kids. This is a bad marketing decision, I don't care about the racial implications. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 27, 2004 I disagree, if Stevie Ray Vaughn happened to be the white guy asked to host rather then a fucking white bread former mickey mouse club member like Timberlake, I don't see the color of his skin being so much of an issue. As evidenced by this quote. Motown has a proud and historic legacy of being one of America's greatest musical institutions. It has launched the careers of some of the most prominent African American artists in recording history including Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross and The Supremes, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, The Four Tops, The Commodores, Lionel Ritchie, The Tempations and the Jackson Five. "The selection of Timberlake as co-host of this Motown special is a cultural insult to the black community," Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2004 I disagree, if Stevie Ray Vaughn happened to be the white guy asked to host rather then a fucking white bread former mickey mouse club member like Timberlake, I don't see the color of his skin being so much of an issue. As evidenced by this quote. Motown has a proud and historic legacy of being one of America's greatest musical institutions. It has launched the careers of some of the most prominent African American artists in recording history including Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross and The Supremes, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, The Four Tops, The Commodores, Lionel Ritchie, The Tempations and the Jackson Five. "The selection of Timberlake as co-host of this Motown special is a cultural insult to the black community," "cultural insult" and plus if they gave Eric Clapton of all people the same treatment as Timberlake, I would tell them to fuck themselves, but explain to me why I am supposed to be upset because they don't want their awards show to be hosted by a twerp like Timberlake? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted February 27, 2004 It's not an Awards show. It's a special about the history of Motown. I very much doubt the majority of the JT fanbase would be interested in that. Drawing young people is the only reason ABC wanted to use JT. The host should be someone with Motown history, not a random current singer(white or black). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted February 27, 2004 I disagree, if Stevie Ray Vaughn happened to be the white guy asked to host rather then a fucking white bread former mickey mouse club member like Timberlake, I don't see the color of his skin being so much of an issue. As evidenced by this quote. Motown has a proud and historic legacy of being one of America's greatest musical institutions. It has launched the careers of some of the most prominent African American artists in recording history including Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross and The Supremes, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, The Four Tops, The Commodores, Lionel Ritchie, The Tempations and the Jackson Five. "The selection of Timberlake as co-host of this Motown special is a cultural insult to the black community," says Najee Ali, Executive Director, Project Islamic HOPE of whom I am sure is the clear representitive of the black races feelings through fair, equal treatment of all races. Really, stop being the media's bitch for a moment and see that if SO many prominent black groups were against this, why is the only one quoted from Project Islamic Hope, whom, and I am just guessing here, not a single person here has ever heard of. I guarentee you nobody gave a shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 27, 2004 I disagree, if Stevie Ray Vaughn happened to be the white guy asked to host rather then a fucking white bread former mickey mouse club member like Timberlake, I don't see the color of his skin being so much of an issue. As evidenced by this quote. Motown has a proud and historic legacy of being one of America's greatest musical institutions. It has launched the careers of some of the most prominent African American artists in recording history including Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross and The Supremes, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, The Four Tops, The Commodores, Lionel Ritchie, The Tempations and the Jackson Five. "The selection of Timberlake as co-host of this Motown special is a cultural insult to the black community," "cultural insult" and plus if they gave Eric Clapton of all people the same treatment as Timberlake, I would tell them to fuck themselves, but explain to me why I am supposed to be upset because they don't want their awards show to be hosted by a twerp like Timberlake? Because no where in that quote do they suggest that it's Justin's music that's the problem. They do, however, use the words "African-American" and "Black." If they were upset because Justin is an awful artist and genrally crappy representation of the music industry in general, those words would not come into play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted February 29, 2004 As Berry Gordy spoken out against Justin Timberlake co-hosting? I'm certain if he said he'd like someone else. ABC would remove Timberlake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted March 2, 2004 I disagree, if Stevie Ray Vaughn happened to be the white guy asked to host rather then a fucking white bread former mickey mouse club member like Timberlake, I don't see the color of his skin being so much of an issue. As evidenced by this quote. Motown has a proud and historic legacy of being one of America's greatest musical institutions. It has launched the careers of some of the most prominent African American artists in recording history including Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross and The Supremes, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, The Four Tops, The Commodores, Lionel Ritchie, The Tempations and the Jackson Five. "The selection of Timberlake as co-host of this Motown special is a cultural insult to the black community," says Najee Ali, Executive Director, Project Islamic HOPE of whom I am sure is the clear representitive of the black races feelings through fair, equal treatment of all races. Really, stop being the media's bitch for a moment and see that if SO many prominent black groups were against this, why is the only one quoted from Project Islamic Hope, whom, and I am just guessing here, not a single person here has ever heard of. I guarentee you nobody gave a shit. Yeah, what the hell is up with that? There goes the media hype machine again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kinetic 0 Report post Posted March 3, 2004 This is clearly a race issue and rightfully so. Motown was founded by a black man, all of the artists on the label during its heyday were black, it was mostly operated by black people, most of the songwriters were black, etc. So to have an anniversary special celebrating the legacy of this portion of black culture hosted by a white guy whose main claim to fame is appropriating black culture for his own use is not so much racist as it is nonsensical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted March 3, 2004 This is clearly a race issue and rightfully so. Motown was founded by a black man, all of the artists on the label during its heyday were black, it was mostly operated by black people, most of the songwriters were black, etc. So to have an anniversary special celebrating the legacy of this portion of black culture hosted by a white guy whose main claim to fame is appropriating black culture for his own use is not so much racist as it is nonsensical. Oh what the fuck ever. If a white artist listened two and respected the classic Motown sound, which inspired them to make music that fits into that catagory, then they would just as much right to be up there as a black person. Every white person that does prodominately black music isn't Elvis. Thats like saying that if there were a show for a mostly rock music label, which would be prodominately white written, started by a white guy and blah blah blah, that ...well since this is hypothetical land... Jimmy Hendrix shouldn't be invited....if we ignore the whole dead thing.... Not comparing Jimmy Hendrix to Justin Timberlake (Jimmy couldn't balance on the end of a table like Justin did in the "Cry Me A River" video, now could he?)* but to say he should be disqualified because of the race of the predominant figures of the Company is different than his is ridiculous. And once again...some small group made the statement...I really, REALLY doubt that ANYONE affiliated with Motown gave a shit about Timberlake hosting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 Anyone know when this airs? Should be good tv. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 The Hendrix/Timberlake analogy is fucking horrible and just way off.......you are talking about a guy in Hendrix that was an integral part to Rock history, so OF COURSE his race would never come into play in a "rock tribute" setting, however wtf has Timberlake attributed to MoTown whatsoever? Why would he ever even be named besides some fat cat record label wanting their golden boy to get more face time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 Ok, what about Eminem? They invite him to the hip hop shows. Rap is blacker than Motown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 . And once again...some small group made the statement...I really, REALLY doubt that ANYONE affiliated with Motown gave a shit about Timberlake hosting. Motown execs weren't even involved in the Show itself until recently. Basically, if remembered the Disco special show that ABC had last year that was the format that were going to do the Motown show. Besides, Motown had produced the "Motown 40" show anyway. Motown had some white singers like Michael McDonald and I think Teena Marie. But Justin doesn't have that kind style that you would mention him and Motown in the same sentence. Where's Boys II Men at? Since they was on the label and young people have heard of them, they should host the show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites