I question Ghettoman's banning.

[Guest Ray]

Yes, I do.

 

I find it funny that he's banned for "flaming Dr Tom in other folders", when I've seen other posters flame more or worse and they're not banned. Hell. I'VE flamed people harder than that in the WWE forum and I'm still here.

 

The message seems to be that "flaming" is ok....unless you "flame" the guy with the ban button.

 

And last I checked, there is NO rule against simply using the word nigger. It's all a matter of context. Using the word doesn't automatically = "blatant racism."

 

I'm just a friend who feels he was unfairly banned. Ghetto would love to discuss the issue with the mods, but can't now.

 

 

There's my two cents...

[MrRant 0]

Well since Ray admits it... BAN HIM~!

[Guest Ray]

Well since Ray admits it... BAN HIM~!

Uh......Fifth Amendment!

[Guest EQ]

I question the ban also, but fuck it. He was getting on my nerves already.

[Downhome 0]

I question it as well.

 

All he was doing was posting in the feedback forum in a thread concenring an issue that he had. He had already been punnished for saying that word, so that couldn't be it. If you didn't want him to keep replying, in the feedback forum, then why not just lock the thread and end it that way?

 

Not that I really care about GM, but I do question the reasoning behind it.

[Tawren 0]

I agree with Ray...I really don't see where Ghettoman did anything worthy of a banning.

 

And wasn't it Dames (or one of the mods, maybe Sass) who said you wouldn't get in trouble for speaking your mind in Site Feedback?

[Mik 0]

I never really comment on any of these things, but I've noticed a marked downward spiral since Dames fled the big apple.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Yes, I do.

 

I find it funny that he's banned for "flaming Dr Tom in other folders", when I've seen other posters flame more or worse and they're not banned. Hell. I'VE flamed people harder than that in the WWE forum and I'm still here.

 

The message seems to be that "flaming" is ok....unless you "flame" the guy with the ban button.

 

And last I checked, there is NO rule against simply using the word nigger. It's all a matter of context. Using the word doesn't automatically = "blatant racism."

 

I'm just a friend who feels he was unfairly banned. Ghetto would love to discuss the issue with the mods, but can't now.

 

 

There's my two cents...

He said the "n" word.

 

Ban please.

[Downhome 0]

He said the "n" word.

 

Ban please.

You said "n word"~!

[Guest EQ]

Theoretically, he was already punished for saying "that word which we shouldn't say"

[Sass 0]

I find it funny that he's banned for "flaming Dr Tom in other folders", when I've seen other posters flame more or worse and they're not banned. Hell. I'VE flamed people harder than that in the WWE forum and I'm still here.

 

If you saw worse flames then why didn't you report them to a mod?

 

Ghettoman made a spectacle of himself and ended up getting his hand caught in the cookie jar by flaming Tom in CE, LSD, HD and Feedback which spans more than one folder and continued to flame Tom after he had gotten the apology he said he wanted from him.

 

That is trolling.

 

The message seems to be that "flaming" is ok....unless you "flame" the guy with the ban button.

 

I banned Johnson after he trolled CWM in several threads.

 

I also banned Mario Logan for coming back to TSM and twisting the history he had with Zack so it looked like he got banned due to bad blood when that wasn't true.

 

Trolling is the offense that got GM banned, not flaming. If you call someone a name (not a racial slur, instant ban if you do) and throw insults at them then you had better leave it all in that post/thread because if you take the issue up in a different thread/folder then that constitutes trolling which is something that is a bannable offense.

 

And last I checked, there is NO rule against simply using the word nigger. It's all a matter of context. Using the word doesn't automatically = "blatant racism."

 

This is true to an extent.

 

However, GM persisted in making jokes that used racial slurs which he was called on in the thread by the same folks who had defended him in the thread where he was initially suspended in for making his crack about black people.

 

I hope this cleared things up.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

He said the "n" word.

 

Ban please.

You said "n word"~!

Listen... no one's going to be stoned until one of the mods say so... even if they say the "n" word.

[NYU 0]

I too have to question Ghetto's banning.

 

He wasn't trolling. He was expressing his thoughts in a clear manner almost everytime he presented them. And for the past few days, all his complaints at Tom had been directed in the Site Feedback folder: the place where feedback on matters about the site should be addressed.

 

It may have been a little annoying near the end, but I certainly don't think it was banworthy. All Ghetto was looking for was two words from Tom.

 

"I'm sorry."

 

He didn't get them. He tried to press on until he WOULD get them so the issue could be dropped. Then, he was banned. I don't really agree with it.

[Downhome 0]

I really hope you aren't going to pull the "GM was trolling Tom in the other forums", because if he was going to be banned for that then why wasn't it done days ago?

 

You were sick and tired of him replying in that thread that you locked, and you just wanted to end all of that bullshit (which I agree should have ended). Just like how I was threatened to be banned just because I was replying to a topic over and over again.

[treble 0]

Now we're stuck with Anglesault as the only Yankee fan posting here. Thanks a lot.

[the max 0]

Tom apologized.

 

Ghetto kept ranting that he was unjustly suspended.

 

Tom said that he made a mistake.

 

Ghetto kept ranting.

 

Ghetto compared Tom mistakenly suspending him to a cop killing someone.

 

Ghetto was banned.

 

I see no problem with his banning, especially after Tom said that he made a mistake, that the mistake had been made, and to move on. Move on. Two simple words.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I'm just upset that this thread came about after I made my joke in the Dave O'Neil thread because the original GM thread was closed. I didn't think there would be GhettoMan supporters to make this type of thread.

 

Edit: In closing I think I should be notified when somebody is about to be banned and a thread is closed so I can place my corny jokes in the right place.

Edited February 24, 2004 by FrigidSoul

[MrRant 0]

Well the joke wasn't that good.

[Guest Ray]

If you saw worse flames then why didn't you report them to a mod?

I have a thick skin. I don't go crying to mods when I'm flamed.

 

Ghettoman made a spectacle of himself and ended up getting his hand caught in the cookie jar by flaming Tom in CE, LSD, HD and Feedback which spans more than one folder and continued to flame Tom after he had gotten the apology he said he wanted from him.

Where are these flames? If you saw so many, why didn't you ban him then? Why did you wait until the topic in feedback?

 

Trolling is the offense that got GM banned, not flaming. If you call someone a name (not a racial slur, instant ban if you do) and throw insults at them then you had better leave it all in that post/thread because if you take the issue up in a different thread/folder then that constitutes trolling which is something that is a bannable offense.

Why didn't you ban him when he allegedly trolled? Why wait until the feedback topic?

 

However, GM persisted in making jokes that used racial slurs which he was called on in the thread by the same folks who had defended him in the thread where he was initially suspended in for making his crack about black people.

You admit they are jokes, so it's obviously not blatant racism.

 

Ghetto compared Tom mistakenly suspending him to a cop killing someone.

Sometimes extreme analogies are necessary to prove a point.

[Guest SP-1]

You people post at the same TSM that I do, right?

 

Certain people do whatever they want. Others can't. And before anyone asks for examples, I say go comb through the CE archives and the examples should be pretty obvious. They'll also be clearer than I can present them.

 

It's simply part of posting here. Deal with it or go look for intelligent conversation elsewhere, like I do. Better boards exist.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Well the joke wasn't that good.

It was a corny joke worth going "Boooo" and giving a small chuckle on the inside. You know you laughed on the inside.

[treble 0]

My main problem with it is that he was told to go to Feedback to ask Tom what the deal was and he never got an answer to his liking. All his 'flaming' was limited to that one thread and in the end, he was banned by the same mod that told him to go to Feedback.

 

That being said, he should have dropped it once it seemed like Tom wouldn't say what he wanted him to, but I think banning was a little extreme.

[MrRant 0]

I wept on the inside.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

That's close enough

[Firestarter 0]

However, GM persisted in making jokes that used racial slurs which he was called on in the thread by the same folks who had defended him in the thread where he was initially suspended in for making his crack about black people.

I've pretty much stayed out of this since it's a huge pointless shitfest that will probably continue until a mod closes this thread as well. But since Sass referred to me, I'll put in my two cents.

 

I had little problem with Ghettoman's use of the word "nigger" in the original thread. He was using it to mock conservatives and it was obvious. No one could possibly have mistaken it for anything else. Tasteless? Sure. Offensive? Possibly, but to conservatives, not blacks. But it wasn't ban-worthy, suspension-worthy, or even (to my mind) warning-worthy. He was warned and suspended nevertheless. Tom overreacted, as he's since admitted, and I and some other people called him on it. Tom apologised to Ghettoman in Site Feedback and that should have been the end of it.

 

It wasn't. After his suspension was over Ghettoman used the same format to mock conservatives yet again, this time painting them as shotgun-toting hicks. At that point I'd had enough and I asked him if every one of his posts was going to be exactly the same. He responded with the usual weak "I don't like labels" crap. After that he was pretty much ignored in CE.

 

But that wasn't enough. He started making snide remarks about Tom in other folders as well - LSD for one, as Sass mentioned. He was warned to stop it. He started a thread in Site Feedback demanding an apology. He got it. He didn't accept it. He demanded a second, unqualified apology and he kept on posting and posting and posting, basically (it seemed) trying to make everyone so goddamned sick of his bitching and whining that they'd crawl on their hands and knees to make him happy.

 

It didn't happened, and his sorry ass was banned.

 

Cry me a river.

 

 

 

9. Obey the Mods. Yes, they are posters just like the rest of us. We’ve not against you speaking your mind and disagreeing if you feel that we’ve made a poor judgment call whatsoever. However, they are the police of TSM and just like the real police, disobeying is a crime. If you're warned by one of them for whatever reason and you don't comply, you WILL be banned.

[justsoyouknow 0]

My main problem with it is that he was told to go to Feedback to ask Tom what the deal was and he never got an answer to his liking. All his 'flaming' was limited to that one thread and in the end, he was banned by the same mod that told him to go to Feedback.

I'm glad someone else saw the glaring irony there. I miss Dames.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Hey, I thought it was cool. Go team mod.

[Firestarter 0]

I'm glad someone else saw the glaring irony there. I miss Dames.

'k, so say a policeman makes a rude gesture at you when you mouth off to him. You complain to him and he tells you to take it to the judge. The judge says nothing much happened and you weren't abused and while the policeman's behaviour was inappropriate you didn't suffer significant loss. At that point you start insulting the judge, following him to his chambers when he tries to leave the court, and haranguing him endlessly about how bad you felt when the policeman flipped you off. The judge tells you to shut up and get out of his chambers and leave him alone. You refuse, and keep yelling at the judge. Finally he has the bailiff toss you in jail for contempt of court.

 

Irony? Get an education, or if you can't afford that, a dictionary.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I want an analogy with less big words and stuff.

 

Also I think you would have to have the officer lock up the guy for 2 days in the county prison. As GM was suspended for 2 days.

[Guest Krazy Karter]

As far as I could tell, this is what happened:

 

1. Ghettoman said the n-word.

 

2. The mods reprimanded Ghettoman.

 

3. Ghettoman questioned why he was reprimanded.

 

4. The mods encouraged Ghettoman to express his opinion, and even carried out a conversation with him that spanned several threads and went longer than it had any right to go.

 

5. Ghettoman wouldn't shut the fuck up about it, so he was banned.

 

I think he was wrongly banned because of 4 - Ghettoman was encouraged to keep going even if his argument was pointless.