Enigma 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 "There's a shakeup going on involving Brock Lesnar, and Bill Goldberg may not be the only WWE superstar who could have his last match for the foreseeable future at WrestleMania. According to numerous sources, both wrestlers and a few friends of Lesnar's outside the wrestling business, Brock has not been a happy man backstage lately. Lesnar is said to be very upset that he had to fly all the way to South Africa "just to wrestle Hardcore Holly" instead of being used in a higher profile match on the tour. Lesnar, who has a long term deal with WWE (said to be seven years long), reportedly doesn't feel he is being protected properly for the long term by the promotion. Lesnar was also said to be upset that he was programmed to wrestle Undertaker after WrestleMania. Lesnar doesn't feel, since he is supposed to be a long term money player for the company, that he should be "fed to the Deadman." Lesnar is not alone in his feeling there either, as a lot of Smackdown wrestlers hate the fact Taker is coming back in his old persona since it means that he doesn't have to sell for people any more (due to the nature of the character). There was already a concern among many Smackdown workers that Taker gets too big of a push for an aging talent when the brand is in dire need of pushing new, young workers at the top of the cards. He is viewed by many on the Smackdown roster as "our HHH", in that he beats everyone, is always pushed at the top and has a huge amount of power backstage. Taker's calling of his pay per view match with John Cena, where Taker, as described by one Smackdown wrestler, "gobbled up Cena like Cena was a job boy" has wrestlers upset and concerned about his return. Lesnar and McMahon apparently had a very tense discussion last week and Lesnar has told a few other wrestlers he might just take some time off after WrestleMania to cool down. According to one wrestler Lesnar considers a friend, "even with his own airplane, the travel is burning him out, and this South Africa trip was handled all wrong." As of right now, the company is not making any post Mania plans for Lesnar. I have been told the company has removed Lesnar's name from all voiceovers on upcoming shows after Mania but he is scheduled to work on the UK tour later this month since he was previously advertised on it." credit: Dave Scherer/PWInsider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Open the Muggy Gate 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 This is what I worried about for Brock... too quick of a push = massive ego at a young age. Not good in the WWE locker rooms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deancoles 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Undertaker had the same character in 97 and he sold people's offence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Lesnar was also said to be upset that he was programmed to wrestle Undertaker after WrestleMania. Oh man, how great would a Brock-bot angle be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 This is what I worried about for Brock... too quick of a push = massive ego at a young age. Not good in the WWE locker rooms. He's protecting his spot, character and position in the company. You can't blame the guy for doing so. Kurt Angle didn't and look at him; he bounced up and down the card and lost to practically everyone in the company at one point or another. It diluted his character. Now, some will say that HHH does the same thing, and that's true. I don't blame HHH for protecting his spot; I just really, really, really don't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Whoa... This might not have been the greatest thing for the WWE to do. You don't go pissing off your greatest assest to come along for you. That's about the worst thing you could do. "Fed to the Deadman" is what he was going to be? Ugh... It means Taker is staying, it's also obvious that Kane IS losing at WrestleMania XX. Which sucks even more because that kills off Kane from doing anything ever... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Lesnar is said to be very upset that he had to fly all the way to South Africa "just to wrestle Hardcore Holly" instead of being used in a higher profile match on the tour. I'd be pissed too. Hardcore Holly is a piece of shit, both inside the ring and out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 This is what I worried about for Brock... too quick of a push = massive ego at a young age. Not good in the WWE locker rooms. Well, all of his complainbts are 100% valid: 1) Fly to S. Africa just to wrestle Holly? He's your best young star, he *should* have had a more high profile match. 2) Not being protected? His last 2 matches saw him get dominated by Sparky Plugg & The Ass Man. He's going into a big WM "dream match", he should have destroyed those 2 guys. 3) Fed to Taker? Ansolutely a valid concern. What would be the point of Brock jobbing to Taker? Good for Brock for standing up for himself, but it's bad for us as fans since he's developed into quite the stud worker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mystery Eskimo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Yeesh, another Brock-Taker feud? Because the first two were so great? Brock has every right to complain. Dont forget, he did a great, professional job putting Eddie over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Taker is coming back in his old persona...means that he doesn't have to sell for people any more He was selling before? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Repo Man Reborn Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Brock has a right to complain. Just like Vince has a right to tell him to beat it. What Brock doesn't realize: The Undertaker will ALWAYS get the push and the main-event feuds. When everybody started leaving, he stayed. He ALWAYS stayed. Short of boning one of his kids, this loyalty thing is something else that makes Vince weepy. He''ll do business with guys that left, but the guys who stuck by him when it was crappy will NEVER be made to look bad. That's why Hogan was jobbing to Brock and Undertaker was beating him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Brock putting Eddie over > Undertaker not putting ANYONE over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 The Undertaker will ALWAYS get the push and the main-event feuds. When everybody started leaving, he stayed. He ALWAYS stayed. Short of boning one of his kids, this loyalty thing is something else that makes Vince weepy. He''ll do business with guys that left, but the guys who stuck by him when it was crappy will NEVER be made to look bad. Of course, had Taker wanted to go to WCW, he couldn't bring the Undertaker gimmick with him. No gimmick = no interest (or little interest) from WCW, or at least not for the money that Taker would have wanted. So the "loyalty" thing is a bit overrated (much like Bob Holly's "loyalty"). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anya 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Oh man, how great would a Brock-bot angle be? Vince could hire these men to build it.. **Undertaker punches Brock-Bot's head off** UT: Brock's a robot!? Did everybody else know Brock was a robot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 8, 2004 The Undertaker will ALWAYS get the push and the main-event feuds. When everybody started leaving, he stayed. He ALWAYS stayed. Short of boning one of his kids, this loyalty thing is something else that makes Vince weepy. He''ll do business with guys that left, but the guys who stuck by him when it was crappy will NEVER be made to look bad. Of course, had Taker wanted to go to WCW, he couldn't bring the Undertaker gimmick with him. No gimmick = no interest (or little interest) from WCW, or at least not for the money that Taker would have wanted. So the "loyalty" thing is a bit overrated (much like Bob Holly's "loyalty"). Didnt 'Taker once send feelers out to WCW to see what kind of deal he could get?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Oh man, how great would a Brock-bot angle be? Vince could hire these men to build it.. **Undertaker punches Brock-Bot's head off** UT: Brock's a robot!? Did everybody else know Brock was a robot? Undertaker, you're not the brightest Hoss in the Heavens, now are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Taker: My name is The Undertaker. We were in WCW together. Heyman: Yes, I know. Um, Brock, did he hurt someone? Taker: Not yet. (thinks) Well, no one that matters. Heyman: He's looking for me. You know, uh, he followed me here. Taker: Okay, kind of figured that out. Heyman: No, no, there's more. Uh, there's something you need to know about him. Taker: I know. Heyman: No, wait, this is important. Taker: Believe me, I, I worked it out. Heyman: No, this is something, uh, that you can't possibly know. Taker folds her arms and nods to him to continue. Zoom in dramatically on Heyman taking a deep breath. Heyman: He's a robot. Taker looks at him as if expecting more. Taker: Uh-huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Repo Man Reborn Report post Posted March 8, 2004 The Undertaker will ALWAYS get the push and the main-event feuds. When everybody started leaving, he stayed. He ALWAYS stayed. Short of boning one of his kids, this loyalty thing is something else that makes Vince weepy. He''ll do business with guys that left, but the guys who stuck by him when it was crappy will NEVER be made to look bad. Of course, had Taker wanted to go to WCW, he couldn't bring the Undertaker gimmick with him. No gimmick = no interest (or little interest) from WCW, or at least not for the money that Taker would have wanted. So the "loyalty" thing is a bit overrated (much like Bob Holly's "loyalty"). I'm not putting value in the Undertaker staying, Vince IS. Whether he was going to leave or not, he didn't and Vince loves this about him. Shawn Michaels, too. Then again, he might love Shawn for other reasons........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 "Might"?? I miss Undertauro. He was peaking in that gimmick; fuck the deadman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Fuck that. He singlehandedly squashed the FBI not once, but twice. Fuck Taker in all forms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Yeah, but he had a really good match with Angle and carried Albert and Big Show. Yes, him squashing Big Show and Brock together sucked. But not "shooting lightning" suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Having good matches as opposed to really shitty matches is irrelevant? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Didnt 'Taker once send feelers out to WCW to see what kind of deal he could get?? Yes he did and was promptly rejected do to the fact that WCW knew that without the deadman gimmick, the guy was useless to them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Having good matches as opposed to really shitty matches is irrelevant? No, Taker having good matches is irrelevant to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Yeah, this sounds like the Austin situation two years ago. I wonder will he come back and have shit matches after beating his girlfriend? And I wish people would stop making excuses for Lesnar and none for seemingly every other main eventer that holds on to his spot. HHH does the same thing as RRR has already mentioned, but he is constantly lambasted. Just listening to the tone of the report puts Brock off as a big whiner, and what does he have to whine about? He was given the title 6 months into his rookie year with NO heat and on the backs of others. He has never been out of the title picture, unlike Taker who has been in the mid card since losing the title in 2001 sans the last Brock program. And Taker spent alot of his title reign wrestling mid-carders and rookies while Brock with or WITHOUT the title is always at the VERY top of the card. Then, the WWE is paying part of his travel expenses despite him having a jet? I hope they fire Lesnar's ass, because this is the same company that put everything and almost EVERYONE into Lesnar when he scuked and was drawing negative heat, now that he can pull out a *** match here and there and uses some nice cheap heat he thinks he's some big shit? He has a huge ego and just because he can be carried to decent matches does not give him a pass for being an egotistical jerk. And the ONLY rason he is considered so "valuable" is because the WWE would not say die on his push. Randy Orton will be in his position in the next year or two so Lesnar is really not anything special, just another big man with the HHH 1999 push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banders Kennany Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Brock Lesnar gives the goods, but he seems a bit of a whiner here. I hate Taker and hope he is injured into retirement just like everyone else here, but Brock really dropped the ball in his childish handling of this! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Saying that the tone of the post makes him sound like a big whiner doesn't really mean that much. I could take the same info and make it sound two entirely different ways, if not more than that. *Brock Lesnar is thinking of leaving the WWE for some length of time after Wrestlemania. Lesnar is unhappy with his projected upcoming feud with The Undertaker, as he wants to look strong and Taker will most likely not sell much due to reverting back to his original character. Brock is also unhappy with facing wrestlers he feels are beneath him. Lesnar recently purchased his own plane to ease his travelling, but is still unhappy with his schedule. He most recently complained that he went all the way to South Africa to fught Bob Holly.* *Brock Lesnar might be taking some time off after Wrestlemania, according to an unnamed source. Brock feels that the WWE is not capitalizing on his character, and is favoring wrestlers that should be near retirement. Brock is scheduled to feud with The Undertaker after WMXX, and Taker will more than likely no sell most of Lesnar's offense due to nature of his character. Lesnar feels that he can be player in the main event, and that wasting him in the mid-card is a bad decision if he is supposed to be the future of the WWE. If Vince and the WWE keep up with this poor booking and planning, they might alienate Lesnar even further.* It's just up to whoever writes it and how they write it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wayzing Report post Posted March 8, 2004 I don't see any childish handlings. Lots of reports lately about Lesnar being unhappy with his current situation? Yes! But I haven't heard about him refusing to go to South Africa and meet Holly, or refusing to let mid carders take advantage of him while he's on his way to WrestleMania, or refusing to put Guerrero over. Apparantly he didn't like any of that but he still did it. Obviously he's been given much more than most wrestlers could ever dream of, put he has been a company man so far and all his complaints discussed in this thread make sense. And about the jet. It's not like he was given the damned plane. He bought it. WWE are just covering expenses that they'd have anyway if he was travelling first class as the other main eventers. Anyone up for a Brock/Undertaker feud? Anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 So does this mean that the Goldberg/Lesnar is going to have the same finish as the UT/Kane match at JD 98? The one where Austin was the ref and after UT hit Kane with the chair , Austin stunned UT and counted both men out. I could see Lesnar F-5ing Goldberg, then Austin stuns Brock counts both men out and declares himself the winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
