Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 So the monumental (sarcasm) build up is halfway through, and what was supposed to go down as the biggest pay per view in WWE history, is looking to be a very sad dissapointment... most of us would agree I'm sure, so my question, is how would you have booked it?? WWE looked to be on the right track in January, in my opinion, but of course quickly ran off the rail. So look backwards in time... how would you have booked the greatest pay per view in history? Start back to January if you want, or go back a year to WrestleMania XIX... who would you have main eventing? What special guest appearances would you have preferred? Should WWE have made a better attempt to get Hogan back, even if just for one show?? Discuss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I did actually book it in my EWR game. The funny thing is that in my game, the main event was still Eddie Guerrero vs Kurt Angle, and Brock Lesnar really did leave immediatly after the big event due to low morale. I would have put Triple H in a midcard match, that's what I would have done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Not have Benoit on RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Not have Benoit on RAW. yeah... but where would you have placed him on the smackdown side of things?? Three way with Show and Cena for the US title?? Now... I wouldn't have minded seeing Eddie, Kurt, and Benoit go at it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest reshad974 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Just some few changes : HHH defends his title against HBK and then against Benoit, ala WM X. More build-up for Lesnar vs Goldberg with the latter working the lead-up shows (sounds basic to me). No guest referee so that the focus is on the wrestlers and not on Austin. Much less supernatural shits for the Taker vs Kane angle. The IC champion (whoever it would be) defends his title on the PPV so that every titles is up for grabs. everything else is fine for me. good but not great booking in my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Benoit vs. Brock @ RR - Benoit wins. Benoit vs. Brock @ NWO - I Quit Angle vs. Guerrero @ NWO for #1 contendership Benoit vs. Winner of that (doesn't matter to me). Yeah I know, it's crazy, a storyline actually needing Benoit to look strong. What am I thinking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 yeah, that doesnt sound so bad... a Benoit/Eddie match for the title would have been amazing, but then where does that leave Kurt? I realize that he's not, or shouldnt be a major priority due to his condition, but where to you place him on the card? I dont know... if I were booking, I would still have moved Benoit to RAW, except it should have been the Mania X scenerio... Benoit vs. Shawn as the opening match, Benoit wins but is destroyed afterwards by Michaels signalling a complete heel turn and injuring Benoit, leaving him vulnerable for HHH as the main event, where he overcomes all odds and beats him, setting up Shawn/Benoit for Backlash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I dont know... if I were booking, I would still have moved Benoit to RAW Moving Benoit to Raw doesn't make sense. Benoit vs. Lesnar was working; it was working really, really well. Benoit on RAW hasn't worked _at_all_. I realize that he's not, or shouldnt be a major priority due to his condition, but where to you place him on the card? You have this strange belief that I actually care about anyone other than Benoit in the WWE. I really don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I dont know... if I were booking, I would still have moved Benoit to RAW Moving Benoit to Raw doesn't make sense. Benoit vs. Lesnar was working; it was working really, really well. Benoit on RAW hasn't worked _at_all_. I realize that he's not, or shouldnt be a major priority due to his condition, but where to you place him on the card? You have this strange belief that I actually care about anyone other than Benoit in the WWE. I really don't. not even Eddie?!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Nope. I like Eddie; I don't care about Eddie. How can I identify with this drug addiction thing? How can I, a white male Canadian suburbanite, identify with Eddie Guerrero? Why should I care? That "finally" after 3 weeks, that Eddie has the title? How can I emotionally invest in him? They haven't given me a reason to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Nope. I like Eddie; I don't care about Eddie. How can I identify with this drug addiction thing? How can I, a white male Canadian suburbanite, identify with Eddie Guerrero? Why should I care? That "finally" after 3 weeks, that Eddie has the title? How can I emotionally invest in him? They haven't given me a reason to. Do they HAVE to give YOU a reason to?? Couldn't ya just be happy that someone you say, have been a mark for for the last 10 years or so is finally given the title and is being pushed as the star of the company?? Sure, it could've been better, no doubt about it... but sometimes ya gotta just shut up and take what you're given when it's the best you're going to get. This is professional wrestling, something that is generally considered to be low grade entertainment anyway. Eddie as champion is an improvement, and thats all there is to say. I mean... fuck, Bret Hart won his first WWF title at a fucking house show with no build. I'd say this is somewhat better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 How long have I been posting here? Are you familiar with my posts? Are you familiar with me? Do you honestly think that "Why can't you just..." is actually going to work on me? It's a pathetic excuse that takes the responsibility and accountability off of them. Do they HAVE to give ME a reason? No. And they haven't; so I don't care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 How long have I been posting here? Are you familiar with my posts? Are you familiar with me? Do you honestly think that "Why can't you just..." is actually going to work on me? It's a pathetic excuse that takes the responsibility and accountability off of them. Do they HAVE to give ME a reason? No. And they haven't; so I don't care. I just get the impression that if things were wonderful and everything they did made sense, you would find something else to complain about... like the color of the ring ropes or how the lighting doesnt provide a deep enough contrast blah blah blah blah And I stopped posting for a while when I stopped watching WWE due to a number of reasons... so forgive me if I forgot that you do nothing but bitch about anything and everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I was perfectly happy with Benoit vs. Brock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted March 9, 2004 While I have to admit that Rudo sometimes gets too focused on one thing and won't move on, I also have to admit that the WWE is doing nothing effectively with their own booking choices that is exciting me at the moment. I could get into Eddie-Angle... but I'm not. I could get into the championship three-way... but its not happening. WWE makes reasonable if unconventional choices that could be covered by a good writing team but everything gets completely screwed up in the execution. The fact that WWE ios completely ignoring the entire month of January is a clear example of how messed up everything is right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 As much as Ive tried to enjoy watching Benoit on Raw...its getting pretty obvious to me that TripleR has been correct with his opinions... The only saving grace for me is WMXX, and right now I have absolutely zero confidence in being a happy fan at 11pm next Sunday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humanoid92 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 How I would have booked WM XX: Benoit vs. HHH HBK vs. The Rock Foley & Flair vs. Orton & Batista Jericho vs. Christian RVD vs. Matt Hardy Women's Title Match Eddie vs. Angle Cena vs. Show Crusierweight Open Brock vs. Goldberg Undertaker vs. Kane Dudleys vs. Haas & Benjamin 20 Man Battle Royale http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...0entry1259725 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 well, I'm obviously not satisfied, otherwise I wouldn't have made this thread... but sometimes I look at what we have... and I think "well, if this is as good as it gets, might as well enjoy it" because whether everything is perfect or not, improvements have been made, and thats got to count for something... I mean really, what would you have said if a full year ago, or hell, 3 years ago, someone said "hey guys, at wrestlemania XX, Eddie Guerrero will be your champion and he will headline, or have a major major program leading into the ppv" ? It could be worse... Benoit and Eddie could be a tag team facing the Bashams for the titles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Well yeah, no matter what happens there will always be room for both improvement and more disaster. Even if they booked everything the exact way that Triple R would appreciate, it wouldn't work out for everyone else to the same degree. I'm sure that somewhere there is someone happier than hell with what WWE is doing just as I know there is exactly the opposite. The problem right now to me, is that they have the a) right peices in the b) right card position but c) don't use them in the right way. And with everything else about where I want it that final piece has become a complete source of apathy recently. I like the idea of having Angle and Eddie being in a World Title match... but the way its being done leaves me completely cold and uninterested. And thats pissing me off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 "It could be worse... " Wow, well, I'm convinced... http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1149362 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 "It could be worse... " Wow, well, I'm convinced... http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1149362 ummm I wasnt trying to convince you of anything... if you want to bitch about everything, go ahead, you're entitled Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I mean really, what would you have said if a full year ago, or hell, 3 years ago, someone said "hey guys, at wrestlemania XX, Eddie Guerrero will be your champion and he will headline, or have a major major program leading into the ppv" ? To be honest, you're right. However, there's a HUGE difference in watching one good thing on TV every week and buying a $50 PPV to support that one good thing and a bunch of other stuff you're not into. Not a whole lot of people are going to make that step. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I mean really, what would you have said if a full year ago, or hell, 3 years ago, someone said "hey guys, at wrestlemania XX, Eddie Guerrero will be your champion and he will headline, or have a major major program leading into the ppv" ? To be honest, you're right. However, there's a HUGE difference in watching one good thing on TV every week and buying a $50 PPV to support that one good thing and a bunch of other stuff you're not into. Not a whole lot of people are going to make that step. Yeah but this is nothing new... Take WrestleMania III for example. Do you know of ANYONE that bought that ppv for anything other than Hogan vs. Andre? Because if you can find someone that bought it to see JYD vs. King Harley, I'll let you borrow my girlfriend for a night Anyway, I'm excited about Mania, although not nearly as excited as I should be. To tell you the truth, it's not a horrible card. I would have rather gotten a singles match out of Benoit and HHH, but from what I hear on the house show circuit, the test three ways have been great. I cant wait for Guerrero and Angle to go at it... the cruiserweight match should be good, Foley's in ring return is worth watching... and I'm even excited for Goldberg/Brock It just lacks an epic feel to it... at most, it seems like a good pay per view, but in the summerslam sense... And to make another point... believe it or not, from what I've heard from alot of people, mainly casual fans, more people are going to be buying Mania for Brock/Goldberg than Angle and Eddie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted March 9, 2004 "It could be worse... " Wow, well, I'm convinced... http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1149362 ummm I wasnt trying to convince you of anything... if you want to bitch about everything, go ahead, you're entitled You were the one who basically said RRR should be happy Eddie is the champion, regardless of the stupid 'drug addiction' storyline that will never go away now Brock AND Angle have used it. Hell, I'm happy Eddie's champion. But I could do without the drug storyline...cause right now, Eddie/Angle just isn't grabbing me like it really should be. As for how I'd book Mania...I'd go with what AS wanted: HBK v Angle. Benoit/Eddie for the SD! title like RRR was mentioning. Berg/Lesnar would still be acceptable, as would Kane/Taker. Foley/Orton should have been a singles match, NY Streetfight like RR 2000. Fuck knows what HHH would do. I guess give him one more match with Rocky so he'd still be on the show. Jericho/XTain and Cena/Show are fine...Molly/Victoria without the hair stip is ok too. Flair/Batista v Hurricane/Rosey for the Raw Tag Belts, WGTT/2 Cool/Bashams for the SD belts. Cruiser Open, but the winner faces Chavo, Chavo isn't actually in it. Matt vs Booker vs Van Dam for #1 contendership at Backlash or something would have been nice too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Take WrestleMania III for example. Do you know of ANYONE that bought that ppv for anything other than Hogan vs. Andre? You sort of answered your own question here... It just lacks an epic feel to it... at most, it seems like a good pay per view, but in the summerslam sense... Hogan/Andre was EPIC and there's no doubting that. Not one of the XX matches can even dream of coming close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 "It could be worse... " Wow, well, I'm convinced... http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...dpost&p=1149362 ummm I wasnt trying to convince you of anything... if you want to bitch about everything, go ahead, you're entitled You were the one who basically said RRR should be happy Eddie is the champion, regardless of the stupid 'drug addiction' storyline that will never go away now Brock AND Angle have used it. Hell, I'm happy Eddie's champion. But I could do without the drug storyline...cause right now, Eddie/Angle just isn't grabbing me like it really should be. I didnt say he should think my way. I was just curious as to why he likes to pick everything apart, and why he cant just be satisfied, even to a certain extent with something that at its base, is a very very good thing. I never expect too much from WWE or wrestling in general... thats why I try and be happy with what I get. If I see improvement, I give them props on that improvement instead of being a whiny bitch all the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Take WrestleMania III for example. Do you know of ANYONE that bought that ppv for anything other than Hogan vs. Andre? You sort of answered your own question here... It just lacks an epic feel to it... at most, it seems like a good pay per view, but in the summerslam sense... Hogan/Andre was EPIC and there's no doubting that. Not one of the XX matches can even dream of coming close. My point came from your point about watching a good thing every week and then not wanting to buy a ppv with a bunch of other stuff you care nothing about... hence why I compared the good thing, Andre/Hogan, to the bad stuff... everything else on the card with the exception of Savage/Steamboat Edit: and I never compared anything on the present card to the epic-ness of the main event of wrestlemania III, I was just making a point about a specific ppv that would be bought on one match alone, while everything else sucked Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I was just making a point about a specific ppv that would be bought on one match alone, while everything else sucked I don't get it. So you're NOT comparing XX to III, but you're using III as an example for XX. Blame technology as well. These days I can download videos of PPV matches a day or two after they happen. I'm willing to be patient. Also, this way I can avoid the fluff that seems to rear its ugly head on WWE PPVs (ex: Redneck Triatholon, APA Bar Room Brawl, whatever stupid crap that the Coach and the Miller Lite Girls were doing last year). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I was just making a point about a specific ppv that would be bought on one match alone, while everything else sucked I don't get it. So you're NOT comparing XX to III, but you're using III as an example for XX. Blame technology as well. These days I can download videos of PPV matches a day or two after they happen. I'm willing to be patient. Also, this way I can avoid the fluff that seems to rear its ugly head on WWE PPVs (ex: Redneck Triatholon, APA Bar Room Brawl, whatever stupid crap that the Coach and the Miller Lite Girls were doing last year). All I was doing, was making a point about how most people base their ppv buys on one match, the main event... even if the undercard is crap. Mania III probably wasnt the best example, but yeah thats what I was trying to get across Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted March 9, 2004 Heres a question... if Benoit actually wins, he'll theoretically go on to face HHH or Shawn at Backlash, and assuming he comes out on top there... where does he go? RAW has plenty of faces that can go against HHH, but a lack of heels to go against a face Benoit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
