geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 End the brand split and with the left over workers, there will be way too many, make that ECW brand on late night saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thetrendsetter Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Both Benjamin and Haas would make for a great midcard fued, and could start thier assent, let the bashams go, as they have a niche in the tag divisions, as much as people don't like them, they're getting the tag ideas down. start the build with the OVW guys that have been doing dick while getting thier stripes, and start moving them up (I.E. - Conway, Dupre, Haas, Benjamin) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Both Benjamin and Haas would make for a great midcard fued, and could start thier assent, let the bashams go, as they have a niche in the tag divisions, as much as people don't like them, they're getting the tag ideas down. start the build with the OVW guys that have been doing dick while getting thier stripes, and start moving them up (I.E. - Conway, Dupre, Haas, Benjamin) I agree, have Benjamin and Haas have a great midcard feud. However, I'd only agree with this as long as the tag division actually has the other tag teams, you know, being produced and shown on SD. As for the OVW guys, I agree that the WWE has to move them up the card. However, the WWE would rather move up people that have been up in the company for years. With Lesnar leaving this will not only ring true, the WWE will see to it that only those loyal to the company and have been there for years will ever get anything good happen to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 10, 2004 , let the bashams go, as they have a niche in the tag divisions, as much as people don't like them, they're getting the tag ideas down. They are?????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thetrendsetter Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Use the tag ranks to introduce new wrestlers (Tomko and Fertig will find themselves on the regular roster soon) guys like John Walters and Bobby Rude could also find themselves in Ohio Valley soon enough also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Smackdown NEEDS Jericho NOW. Raw can survive without him…RVD needs to go there with or without brock… I have a odd feeling they go with Angle/Taker(doing the angle me and AS created), Eddy/TBS (for the title) and Cena/ATrain...Turn Haas and Benjamin since they aren’t treating the tag titles worth shit, and build them to be major names for a summer program…If you bring Jericho in as the Heel, you can have Eddy/Jericho and Jericho/Cena….RVD comes in and starts a thing with Angle and Taker can play with TBS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 10, 2004 If they're lookin for someone to feed to Taker, hold off the Angle/Taker feud for a little while. Do Taker/Rhyno first. RVD comes in and starts a thing with Angle ::shudder:: ugh....sure, why not......ugh ::shudder:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Smackdown NEEDS Jericho NOW. Raw can survive without him…RVD needs to go there with or without brock… I have a odd feeling they go with Angle/Taker(doing the angle me and AS created), Eddy/TBS (for the title) and Cena/ATrain...Turn Haas and Benjamin since they aren’t treating the tag titles worth shit, and build them to be major names for a summer program…If you bring Jericho in as the Heel, you can have Eddy/Jericho and Jericho/Cena….RVD comes in and starts a thing with Angle and Taker can play with TBS. Jericho isn't leaving RAW though Choken One. He's on a mission to help his buddy Christian get elevated up the card over there. And I doubt that the WWE would allow Vitamin C to leave RAW together. RVD won't leaving RAW because who the hell else is going to get pops on RAW? I mean, RVD is the only guy they can consistantly screw over and still get good pops. They wouldn't let him leave RAW, since they can toss him Test or Rico and at least have some heat for a match. They wouldn't let him leave RAW if their lives depended on it (which pretty much they do). Booker T won't leave RAW because frankly, the WWE believe he's not "main event calibre" and I don't think the WWE would be willing to "lower" someone to his status. Smackdown is need of some talent being pushed up and in need of some talent staying. Most likely, I think we'll be seeing Eddie vs. Show, Angle vs. Taker, and hopefully Edge vs. someone (I'm figuring A-Train). Whatever happens, SD is going to be pushing a hell of a lot of people in order to make up for the loss of talent. I'm really worried if Edge doesn't return to SD because that means SD will be outright fodder since there isn't anyone who looks high profile besides four people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 How about this : End the goddamn brand extension now DING DING DING DING DING!!! I've been preaching that for months. That idea isn't going to get play around these parts though. Smarks still think Vince is gonna push the cruisers seriously or something along those lines. Sure why not lets have HHH and his ass buddy Shawn run roughshot over both shows. It will be fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Sure why not lets have HHH and his ass buddy Shawn run roughshot over both shows. It will be fun. But the problem is, does that really matter? Since if Triple H gets his way, he's going to fuck over Edge if he can get him to RAW. Really nothing is different right now, except that Triple H has to get the wrestler off of Smackdown to RAW, and thus by doing so makes Smackdown an inferior show. However, we aren't turning this into a "Triple H Needs Overness" thread. It's about who will fill Brock Lesnar's spot. And frankly, I can't realistically think of anyone who will. The only one that comes close is A-Train, realistically and from the WWE standpoint. Which is a bad thing if you can only name ONE person, that doesn't bode well. Hell, if Edge goes, you need TWO people. I can only think of A-Train, and unless they are taking Mysterio out of Cruiser, I can't think of a second person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Rhyno and A-Train would work okay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Rhyno and A-Train would work okay. Again, I must ask, what has Rhyno done for a push? And frankly, if you push Rhyno, you've got 4 heels and 2 faces. Since the WWE likes to at least have it even steven, exactly whom the hell would you turn? Neither Rhyno or A-Train would get any response for a face turn right now, because they haven't been shown on TV for a good long time (any TV that is watched by the casual WWE fan) and frankly, do we REALLY want Big Show turning face once again since he's getting his heelish self down pat finally and I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papacita 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 First off, I really don't feel that WWE should be panicking to find someone to replace Brock immediately, because they've still got a good amount of time between now and their next SD PPV to figure out what to do. As of right now, I think the most logical thing to do would be to continue the Angle/Eddie feud into a Judgment Day rematch. Next to Brock, Angle's SmackDown's most established main eventer, he's already got a storyline going so it'd be the easiest thing for fans to accept. I still like the idea of Kurt losing at Mania, snapping and attacking Eddie afterwards, so they could probably go that direction if they wanted to build towards a rematch between those two. They'll probably have to run another Taker/Show program because Show's the most established heel on the roster next to Brock and Angle, but I don't really like the idea of Show jobbing at Judgment Day (I think he needs to be kept strong for a title match with Eddie), so I'd probably have Kane jump to SmackDown and cost Taker the match, allowing those two to continue their feud into SummerSlam or whatever. Again, it's an established rivalry so it's easier to sell to the fans, and hopefully if Taker stays occupied with Kane, he'll stay away from everybody else. As for who should step up...I would say right now, they should have Rhyno return to his old psychotic ways and have him run a U.S. Title program with Cena. I dunno how it'd be accepted, since he's been jobbed out relentlessly since the whole Benoit feud last year, but they've already established his association with Heyman, and Heyman's had issues with Cena. I'd have Paul send Rhyno out to fuck Cena up on the first post-Mania SmackDown and move from there. Also, while I doubt they'd do this, I'd use the void created by Lesnar for the Cruiserweight division. They've got a few characters in the division (Mysterio, Chavo, Noble) that the fans really seem to be connecting with. They could probably benefit a lot from extra TV time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Wait a minute You want Angle to do the double PPV job to keep Big Show strong? Why not have Eddie beat Show at J-Day and then have both he and Angle really start to gun for Eddie over the Summer (Like we were gonna do with Brock and Angle) Why kill Angle off totally at Judgment Day? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Krazy Karter Report post Posted March 10, 2004 RVD, just because he hasn't been in a main-event slot in a while and he's destined for Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) Wait a minute You want Angle to do the double PPV job to keep Big Show strong? Why not have Eddie beat Show at J-Day and then have both he and Angle really start to gun for Eddie over the Summer (Like we were gonna do with Brock and Angle) Why kill Angle off totally at Judgment Day? Um... Anglesault, you do remember the WWE is not that high on Angle right now and worried about having him near the title (as he had recently had his neck scoped). They'd probably do something like this. Yes, it is stupid as it doesn't help Angle look good against other main eventers, but it is something the WWE are thinking of doing. In Response To Papacita: As for the idea of pushing someone up, you want Rhyno to go over Cena? Excuse me, but the WWE is trying to build up Cena even more then before. Hence, I don't think Rhyno will be going over Cena anytime soon. The problem is, it seems the WWE don't feel Cena is ready to step up himself, so I could see Rhyno and Cena duking it out to build themselves up as more than nothing. Same could be said for the Cruisers. Have Tajiri, Mysterio, and Noble build up as well. Problem is, that yes, you'd have to give them extra time and the current WWE mindset sees Crusiers as nothing more than inferior than Heavies. Which makes it doubtful that they'd do so. Edited March 10, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 I thought about this today... and my idea is quite crazy...but could really work if they did it PROPERLY. For starters, this Evolution shit needs to stop. Keep Flair with Batista if you have to...or whatever... but I have a somewhat good idea for Orton. Make Orton a silent guy, put him on SD with a mouthpiece (i don't care who) and turn his running RKO thingie into either a completely new finisher or remove the running part. The thing that made DDPs so good was that it was literally BANG! and the match was over... Get rid of his silly posing and all that shit, and just make him walk to the ring, kick the shit out of the guy, pin him, and leave. Give him no reaction toward the fans, no reaction toward the opponents or the ref, no reaction at all. That keeps his acting down to a minimum and could possibly get him over as one of those guys who just has "no concern for anyone else" and is only out there to win (and this could easily be put over through promos w/ the mouthpiece and even by the announcers in matches. They are so fucking crazy about getting him over, and sadly...sadly...this Foley thing may help him as he has been getting minimal boos. He's like 2002 Brock... nobody here liked him and then we realized that he could be good once he gets out of the green stage. If he tones down the restholds (or uses them for actual psychology or something) and keep the RKO as a BOOM finish and maybe throw in a submission so that the restholds might make sense - I wouldn't mind seeing him using a Dragon Clutch Sleeper or something that just screams pain when it's locked on)... He could go to SD and feud with Cena. Let Cena talk and rap his ass off and just let Orton answer it in a silent but deadly way. I say Cena because it would give the gimmick a test run and see if it would get popped and then Orton can build to go after another face... the sad thing is that there aren't many top tier faces on SD to begin with... so that is another problem that the WWE needs to address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Seeing as how I was gonna buy tickets for Judgement Day in LA, Brock made that idea go down the shitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 10, 2004 I think that if they really need a heel that badly, have Foley put Orton over and pair him with Orton as a mouthpiece on SD.....that's WWE thinking for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Um... Anglesault, you do remember the WWE is not that high on Angle right now and worried about having him near the title (as he had recently had his neck scoped). Then tell him to retire. There's nothing left for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted March 10, 2004 All Smackdown needs to do is push the cruiserweights seriously as a SEPERATE division within the overall Smackdown brand. Then you can fill any PPV card with solid matches, and live with only a few guys on top. and since this will never happen, ill just stop now. niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Well...There is a Matter of the ONE remaining****+ match possible but I really don't care to wait for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 RVD should get elevated b/c the time is right and he has stayed over even though WWE has done their best to bury him(WWE IC and Tag belts are worthless so i don't consider that "getting a push"), imagine RVD getting a real push courtesy of WWE, it'll be like 2001 all over again.They could turn him into a cool cocky heel ala ECW with Fonzie as the manager that made Rob focus on getting the WWE title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) Um... Anglesault, you do remember the WWE is not that high on Angle right now and worried about having him near the title (as he had recently had his neck scoped). Then tell him to retire. There's nothing left for him. Then if you do that, you just cut the wheels off of Smackdown. You've got Show, Taker, and Eddie then, if you play with the fact that Angle has retired (and still assuming that Edge is RAW). Instead of trying to at least bring up one, you are now given the frightening possibility of having to push THREE superstars. That's a daunting task to put before the SD crew as well as if RAW won't ship any talent over to SD. Becuase frankly, I don't see anyone on SD that's really able to step up to do that. The WWE might think A-Train can, so that's one, but the other two? Unless they do a split of Greatest World Tag Team (and were willing to let them build), build up the Cruisers, or have the combo of Cena-Rhyno go up (and are willing to make the United States title more than what it is right now, nothing), I'm not sure they could realistically do it. I think that if they really need a heel that badly, have Foley put Orton over and pair him with Orton as a mouthpiece on SD.....that's WWE thinking for you. And as I had made mention in the other thread, having Orton take over SD as his own playground only serves to bring the HHH vs. Orton storyline to WMXXI. It'll burn away a lot of the fanbase as most people don't really care for HHH having RAW as his own playground. Although, I wouldn't be surprised in them sending over Orton. That actually makes a hell of a lot of sense. Edited March 10, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Orton was there before so it's nothing new. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Screw this, if SD turns into the Orton show i will definitely quit watching wrestling, this is making me sick to my stomach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 Orton was there before so it's nothing new. What's new is that it would become his personal playground as Triple H is wanting to get Orton over no matter what. We'd end up with Triple H and Orton continually playing one-squashman-ship every single night till Wrestlemania XXI. Frankly, I don't ever want to see that happen. It makes sense storyline wise, but I don't want to actually see it happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 10, 2004 This thing with Lesnar is actually all the more reason to NOT give Benoit the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 This thing with Lesnar is actually all the more reason to NOT give Benoit the title. Ok... No offense, but how does that make any sense. Right now the WWE needs to push a ton of stars, and frankly, not giving the World Title to Benoit wouldn't be good as the amount of credible main eventers is dwindling big time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2004 I'm not saying SD should be "The Orton Show" ... but he could be there as one of the top guys... Angle, Eddie, Cena, Show, Taker, Rhyno(?), Orton, and RVD. that's four faces and four heels that could sit and rotate around, and when Taker leaves, bring over Booker or put Edge back (or maybe even Jericho). I don't know... I don't want to see "The Orton Show" either...but i might be able to make people give a shit about him. MIGHT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
