An ECW rivial

[Guest Trivia247]

The topic SHOULD say Revivial oye

 

I think the prospects of an ECW formation in the WWE has been long time coming.

 

Acquisitons of the likes of Tazz, Dudley Boys, Storm, Credible. Spike, Rhyno all before the Invasion all hinted too something. When ECW finally went down we may had thought that was the end. But then When Lawler left the WWF. Who shows up to commentate Raw with JR... Paul Heyman ECW hat and all.

 

At the start of the Invasion it was being clear that the WCW brand idea was Not flying. The Fans were rabids against the idea and the angle itself was getting blurry. The Fans were suppose to cheer for Shane one uping his Dad by taking the WCW away from him. However we would hear from the WWF wrestlers that the WCW guys by taking their air time was taking money and food away from their families. Which makes it bad. So they ran the Invasion as a bad thing and Vince was the good guy. However The Nth degree was the Suddenly appearance of the ECW faction..... this group Sparked interest in the Invasion and thus got people wondering.

 

Of course we know what happens then. They join the WCW faction...they basically get absorbed into this Coalition stable which its focused entirely on Stone Cold.

 

the ECW wrestlers fall by the way side and even their strongest member of the group Tazz gets weekly Humiliated by Austin. (Pissed this ol Tazz mark off that they gave him no respect ever)

 

 

Now Here is more rumors of ECW brand rising from the ashes again...

 

So I wanna hear some opinions on this.

 

Personally, unless they give it atonomy and a 2 hour show like on the weekend I don't believe it would be worth wild. Giving it like Velocity is crap because you'd get what three matches ...maybe and a bunch of recapping from earlier in the week on Smackdown.

 

same deal if you gave it Heat..

 

Plus the Number of ex ECW wrestlers are dwindling in the WWE. who could be in this roster.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

ECW should stay dead.

 

Moving the rosters around like it means anything (cough:2001) is pointless and creates nothing new.

 

If McMahon or whoever is in charge of hiring people had brains, they'd sign up any ECW guys they don't have. Of course most of them either, suck, retired, or are in TNA.

[razazteca 0]

Is Dusty Rhodes employed by WWE? They should get him to be the main announcer like the good ol days of the Muthaship Saturday Night. Where are "the Jackel" Don Callis, Joey Styles, Sign Guy Dudley?

 

The nuECW cannot and will be watchable if Coach & Al Snow are the regular announcers.

[treble 0]

If the general population wanted ECW, then it wouldn't have died 3 years ago. I don't see how a WWEified version is going to set the world on fire.

[razazteca 0]

The general population goes out on the weekend.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

RAW at some points gets double the cable ratings of Velocity/Heat COMBINED, and Smackdown comes close, so making ECW guys wrestle on the Veloheat shows, then it would just make them look worse.

[Sandman9000 0]

No ECW > WWE's ECW.

 

There is no way in hell they'll capture the feeling and emotions which made ECW special. No way at all.

 

It'll be watered down bullshit, where they'll go all crazy that chairs and tables are being used.

[Guest MikeSC]

No ECW > WWE's ECW.

 

There is no way in hell they'll capture the feeling and emotions which made ECW special. No way at all.

 

It'll be watered down bullshit, where they'll go all crazy that chairs and tables are being used.

Again, putting on crap matches with lots of stalling, ridiculous spots, virtually no psychology, and haphazard booking is easy.

 

Finding the appropriate sheep to call it "great" is always the challenge.

RAW at some points gets double the cable ratings of Velocity/Heat COMBINED, and Smackdown comes close, so making ECW guys wrestle on the Veloheat shows, then it would just make them look worse.

If you look at actual audience size, it'd be quite accurate.

-=Mike

[Youth N Asia 0]

The general population gave it good TNN ratings when you consider next to zero advertisement and a Friday 9pm crap-slot

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

If they do this I give it 2 months before it gets cancelled. They don't have the star power and TNA, Japan has all the bigger name indy guys tied up.

[Guest MikeSC]

The general population gave it good TNN ratings when you consider next to zero advertisement and a Friday 9pm crap-slot

Ratings around the level of Confidential and Velocity = good ratings?

 

You know, those shows don't exactly get ads, either. And they have a WORSE time slot.

-=Mike

[Guest Trivia247]

The general population gave it good TNN ratings when you consider next to zero advertisement and a Friday 9pm crap-slot

The original TNN was just a rinky dink channel with more country and fishing and dirt bike racing than anything main stream.

 

now that Spike has gotten I believe more money assistance and more main stream shows you'd think better ratings would follow it.

 

(still no where near USA ratings)

[Youth N Asia 0]

I heard an interview with Heyman bitching about how only ECW was promoted durring their own commercials cause it was their "core audiance"...and that's really the only time you saw commercials.

[Guest Coffey]

Owner: Paul Heyman

General Manager: Mick Foley

Play-by-Play Announcer: Al Snow

Color Commentator: Tazz

 

WRESTLERS:

 

Rob Van Dam

Yoshihiro Tajiri

Nunzio (Little Guido)

Rhyno

Buh-Buh Ray Dudley

D-Von Dudley

Lance Storm

Dawn Marie

Tommy Dreamer

Steven Richards

Nova

 

 

That would be the roster without having to bring in anyone new. Of course, they could add to it, but it would be more feasible than suggesting Joey Styles, Joel Gertner, Don Callis or any wrestler under NWA:TNA contract....

 

If they did bring in people, they could bring in the little pieces to complement the above list. For example, Tony Mamaluke to reform the FBI, Justin Credible to reform the Impact Players, Chetti to team with Nova again, etc.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

The reason ECW died is because they were in a horrible pattern of losing. Not losing as in "they suck, the losers", but losing as in assets. If ECW could have kept most of their talent, they might have been able to grow better. Their problem comes with McMahon and Bischoff buying out all their talent. Which causes them to lose money as all their fans would watch WCW and WWF to see their favorite wrestlers. With a new ECW, this won't happen as much(one would hope). Not to mention the fact that the general wrestling fandom(not the smarks) had no idea there was an ECW until it was almost too late.(myself included)

 

Of course, if Heyman isn't given the proper amount of control, it would still suck ass.

[AndrewTS 0]

If the general population wanted ECW, then it wouldn't have died 3 years ago. I don't see how a WWEified version is going to set the world on fire.

By the time ECW got a national TV deal, the general population saw a watered-down, dying ECW that had its best talent and ideas swiped by Vince.

 

Plus, Heyman's poor business sense resulted in him trying too hard to expand too quickly. That resulted in little problems like, you know, him not paying his employees.

[treble 0]

But if there had been a huge demand for the ECW product it would have been available nationally earlier. TNN just wanted to cash in on the wrestling boom.

 

My point is there's no reason to bring back something that died 3 years ago because not enough people were watching it to make it viable.

[Guest Coffey]

TNN is part of the reason ECW died. If ECW would've went at a slower pace, gained mainstream recognition on their own, and generated funds, they would've been successful. Instead they went for the quick National exposure, and it killed them.

 

Obvious you must not have watched it or been a fan of it, because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Not a lot of people watched it because not a lot of people knew about it. TNN didn't try to help them out either, they just bled them dry.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Owner: Paul Heyman

General Manager: Mick Foley

Play-by-Play Announcer: Al Snow

Color Commentator: Tazz

 

WRESTLERS:

 

Rob Van Dam

Yoshihiro Tajiri

Nunzio (Little Guido)

Rhyno

Buh-Buh Ray Dudley

D-Von Dudley

Lance Storm

Dawn Marie

Tommy Dreamer

Steven Richards

Nova

 

 

That would be the roster without having to bring in anyone new. Of course, they could add to it, but it would be more feasible than suggesting Joey Styles, Joel Gertner, Don Callis or any wrestler under NWA:TNA contract....

 

If they did bring in people, they could bring in the little pieces to complement the above list. For example, Tony Mamaluke to reform the FBI, Justin Credible to reform the Impact Players, Chetti to team with Nova again, etc.

Wow, with a roster like that, they can't help but bring in the 10.0 ratings...

[Guest Coffey]

You'd be surprised what a few table spots will do for a wrestlers popularity. Look at Mike Awesome. It's not hard to build up wrestlers. Hell, look what Heyman did for Justin Credible....

[treble 0]

TNN is part of the reason ECW died. If ECW would've went at a slower pace, gained mainstream recognition on their own, and generated funds, they would've been successful. Instead they went for the quick National exposure, and it killed them.

 

Obvious you must not have watched it or been a fan of it, because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Not a lot of people watched it because not a lot of people knew about it. TNN didn't try to help them out either, they just bled them dry.

I watched the TNN show, and, yes I know that TNN didn't exactly promote it very well, but I don't blame them for ECW dying. Getting national exposure wasn't the problem, it was Heyman making boneheaded decisions. It probably didn't help that his champion was leaving almost as soon as the show debuted, but giving the belt to Mike Awesome, who was barely on TV for the first few months he was champ was a dumb move. You had RVD and Raven, both of who were incredibly over who would have made better champs. RVD was TV champ, but you could have just stripped him of that belt if he won the big one like they did with Warrior after WrestleMania VI. Giving Credible the belt was stupid, too, but he really didn't have much of a choice at that point. He never pulled the trigger with RVD and then he ran out of time, with RVD breaking his leg, leaving the company, and then coming back for what I think ended up being the last show.

 

And, no, I really wasn't much of a fan, but I tried to be. I watched the TNN show most weeks, I ordered most of the PPVs, and I bought some tapes, but aside from a few things, nothing stood out to me as being great.

 

TNN sure didn't help ECW out much, but it's not their fault that the company died.

 

I really think the average fan will see a WWE commercial for ECW and think that it's just a 3rd rate promotion, and, if the roster is what most people expect it to be, it will be filled with guys that are pretty much viewed as 3rd rate guys in WWE.

 

Just a stupid idea in my eyes.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Raven was leaving soon too, the belt wouldn't have done them any good on him.

 

The title had to go on RVD with the Awesome feud. Alas that's when Rob got hurt. They gave him a hell of a buildup, and you can argue that it should have gone on him sooner...but I think things would have picked up if he got the belt from Awesome, just bad timing.

 

I liked Justin as champ, but they screwed it up with Tommy too bad. Where as Tommy didn't want the title, the fans wanted him to have the title, and they should have put it on him.

 

While I don't think having the name ECW will help or anything. I'd just love to watch an honest to God wrestling show without a McMahon family member, HHH 15 minute promos, or the same "puppies" commentary I've been hearing for years.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

While I don't think having the name ECW will help or anything. I'd just love to watch an honest to God wrestling show without a McMahon family member, HHH 15 minute promos, or the same "puppies" commentary I've been hearing for years

 

I can't agree more.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Is Dusty Rhodes employed by WWE?

No, but he talks to Vince on a relatively frequent basis. He'll be in WWE within the next two years, I have no doubt. They have a very good relationship with one another.

[Guest JMA]

I just had a horrible thought. What if it's *Stephanie* who brings back ECW? She does own it in kayfabe. Maybe she'll "re-hire" Heyman to work for her...

 

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Can someone explain to me what ECW talent Vince "stole" from them?

[Guest Coffey]

Pretty much as soon as anyone started to get popular they went to either WCW or WWF.

 

Mick Foley, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, The Dudley Boyz, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Rey Mysterio, The Steiner Bros., Psycosis, etc.

 

They were all in ECW at one time.

[razazteca 0]

Can someone explain to me what ECW talent Vince "stole" from them?

Both RVD and Dudley Boys had angles where they would be hyped as WWE guys. RVD was Mr. Monday Night for some time and the Dudley Boys threatened to take the ECW tag team belts to WWE. Taz when he was wrestling as a monster in ECW also went "Up North" to work for the big promotion and even defended the ECW title on Raw.

[Guest Quik]

Actually, if they do put the show on as something different from WWE, they may attract the fans that simply don't watch Raw or Smackdown because they just don't like it.

 

No matter how you look at it, the fact is that there are a lot of wrestling fans MIA when you look at the ratings. Even if they're casual fans, if ECW is different from WWE they could still attract those fomer viewers.

[geniusMoment 0]

ECW was the highest rated program on TNN most weeks. Their highest rated segment ever was a 1.5. This came during a Awesome-RVD confrontation, in which Sabu turned heel by putting Fonzie through a table. The segment was unbelievebly awesome, often overlooked when people discuss great ECW moments. The Awesome-RVD feud was just about to begin, Sabu finally had new life, they had Tanaka and Spike ready to go as RVD allies against team FMW. The ECW arena was going nuts, everything was set up for an awesome feud, maybe the best ECW feud ever. The next week RVD broke his leg, they found out spikes knee had a torn ACL in it due to a match with Awesome, Sabu left for WCW(tried to), FMW fell on hard times and called their star Tanaka back and a few weeks later Awesome left for WCW. Every single player they had set up for their main feud was gone in a matter of 3 months. They put the belt on Credible and ECW was never the same. I look at that night at the ECW arena as the most monumental and sad night in ECW history. What could have been so great put another nail in the ECW coffin. This post has made me very sad.