Randy Orton

[Damaramu 0]

The irony of this post is that Besus says he's tired of people making Orton jokes and saying he has no heat. However by creating this post He's opening up the floodgates for Orton jokes and people saying Orton has no heat.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Irony rating: ****

 

It was inevitable.

[deancoles 0]

They may as well make an official randy orton Discussion thread and put it in place of the New School Questions thread, we might even get another E-Fed out of it.

[Guest Besus]

Oh for the love of...just let it go man.

 

I'll let it go when some people here stop denying Orton's heat.

 

Most of us hate Orton

 

So you and others are going to continue to deny Orton's reactions cause you hate him?

let it die!

 

When the lies die!

 

He's nowhere near over enough to justify the push he's been getting.

 

He gets heat every time he's on camera.

 

His heat isn't light,it's enough.

 

He's also the least over member of Evolution at the moment.

 

Batista doesn't get "Boos" when he gets tagged,Orton

does(not every tag match) and Flair get "Woos".

 

When Flair/Batista walk to the ring,I hear woos and you

do know that's cause of Flair,right?

 

The crowd doesn't cheer when Batista is tagged in or boo,Flair gets woos and Flair is over,not Batista.

 

Wasn't Batista last promo in November? that was the

last time he got heat and Orton has got much heat

since November.

 

Batista doesn't get time to cut promos to be more over

then Orton.

 

Batista doesn't get single fueds to be more over then

Orton.

 

Batista doesn't get heat on his own.

 

I also think the WWF has to be extremely careful with Batista and Flair or they're tag champs are going to start getting face pops all the time.

 

You think Batista&Flair are going to get face pops all the time cause they got a face pop last this past Monday?

 

Every crowd of people isn't the same.

 

Batista got a pretty big one for powerbombing Booker T and getting the belts.

 

That was medium,not very light but not very big too.

 

However, Dupree seemed to draw more heat this past Monday than Orton did on any Raw I can remember.

 

Okay.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Yeah but the crowd also turned on the Rock as far for Flair during WMXX.

 

And Orton gets much more screen time and is way more protected than Batista or Flair and he is nowhere near being as over as either of them. Batista is slowly becoming inoffensive in tag matches and Orton is just there. He gets a mild reaction and that's it. His push is completely unjustified by the amount of heat he's getting. We're coming up on his first year anniversary of getting a big time push and he's just now getting a midcard response some nights.

[humongous2002 0]

I still can't get over about those so called "thunderous" boos Orton's been getting since february, mind you after an almost two year push.

[King Cucaracha 0]

How is he supposed to get heat from beating HBK when he never gets the chance to mention it? He's beaten Michaels three times, and probably mentioned it about the same amount of times, probably less.

 

How is Orton supposed to get over by having his buddies beat up Foley, and have him stand around and do nothing?

 

Orton gets more T.V time than Flair and Batista? They've virtually been attached at the hips for the past few weeks, except one Orton promo and two Batista/Flair tag matches.

 

People keep talking about this 'god push'...yet, I don't see a god push. I see Orton with a title belt. Having a belt doesn't equal a god push. A four month long feud with Foley without a one on one match isn't a god push. Pinning people and then not mentioning it ever again isn't a god push.

 

He's been used pretty damn poorly considering he's had a "year long god push" when you think about it.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I would call dominating Foley every week, getting one of the maybe 4 wins over HBK, getting hyped up as the greatest thing ever, winning more than any other non-HHH heel on Raw and generally getting loads of promo time despite a lack of polish in his speaking abilities and having the only non-HHH push that is consistent would constitute a gawd push these days.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I don't really think that this is an issue of Orton having heat or not. It's a matter of Orton being able to keep up the little heat that he does have.

[humongous2002 0]

But he's still being use pretty damn poorly.

I can't even say that with a straight face.

[Guest Besus]

Yeah but the crowd also turned on the Rock as far for Flair during WMXX.

 

Some did but not all,I heard boos for The Rock but he got

cheers too.

 

And Orton gets much more screen time and is way more protected than Batista or Flair and he is nowhere near being as over as either of them.

 

Batista isn't over.

Flair is and Orton is.

 

Flair&Batista as a tag team is over but not Batista alone.

 

He gets a mild reaction and that's it.

 

He gets mild and hot.

 

Triple Threat was mild and Raw before WM XX was hot.

 

We're coming up on his first year anniversary of getting a big time push and he's just now getting a midcard response some nights.

 

September is when he started to cut promos.

 

September is when his "Legend Killer" persona begined.

 

September is when he started to get on PPVs.

 

September is when he started to get more TV time.

 

September is when he started to wrestle and feud with big

names.

 

His big push didn't start in May.

 

He was watching HHH cut his promos and did what HHH told him to do when he returned in May.

 

He get midcard&main-event responses.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

August he was in the Elimination Chamber. You know..... the main event of the 3rd biggest PPV of the year.

[Guest Besus]

I still can't get over about those so called "thunderous" boos Orton's been getting since february, mind you after an almost two year push.

 

When I said thunderous,I meant loud.

 

He hasn't even been pushed 1 year.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

August he was in the Elimination Chamber. You know..... the main event of the 3rd biggest PPV of the year.

Yeah, and he sure did a lot of damage in that match right?

 

Why is it all Orton haters constantly spew up the same material? Orton's role in that match was cannon fodder, nothing more. No one complained about Rikishi getting a "god push" when he was one of 6 guys in Hell in the Cell.

 

Hey, remember when Orton won the title in that match at Summerslam? No? But...but... I thought you guys were SO sure it was going to happen. Hey, remember just recently when HHH and Orton main evented Mania just like you guys said? N..no? You mean that didn't actually happen either? You don't say!

[humongous2002 0]

I still can't get over about those so called "thunderous" boos Orton's been getting since february, mind you after an almost two year push.      

 

When I said thunderous,I meant loud.

 

He hasn't even been pushed 1 year.

Well i'm counting since the RNN days, those were the first seeds of his WWE push.And it feels like a 2 year push too.

[Guest Besus]

^Me remember.

 

Adrian,do you remember when they said he was going to win the Battle Royal for the #30 slot on Raw and win the Royal Rumble too?

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

I still can't get over about those so called "thunderous" boos Orton's been getting since february, mind you after an almost two year push.      

 

When I said thunderous,I meant loud.

 

He hasn't even been pushed 1 year.

Well i'm counting since the RNN days, those were the first seeds of his WWE push.And it feels like a 2 year push too.

Yeah, he really was made to look like an invincible god among men doing the RNN skits wasn't he?

 

I can't believe people are complaining about WWE actually pushing someone for once. They should be pushing more guys the way they pushed Orton and Cena, not less.

 

Hell, I wish Batista was getting a bigger push too. I really liked his little mini-feud with Austin last fall.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

August he was in the Elimination Chamber.  You know..... the main event of the 3rd biggest PPV of the year.

Yeah, and he sure did a lot of damage in that match right?

 

Why is it all Orton haters constantly spew up the same material? Orton's role in that match was cannon fodder, nothing more. No one complained about Rikishi getting a "god push" when he was one of 6 guys in Hell in the Cell.

 

Hey, remember when Orton won the title in that match at Summerslam? No? But...but... I thought you guys were SO sure it was going to happen. Hey, remember just recently when HHH and Orton main evented Mania just like you guys said? N..no? You mean that didn't actually happen either? You don't say!

And let's see........ that's still one more main event than several guys who are more over than he is. When's the last time Hurricane has even been on TV/PPV despite being much more over than Orton is? Or how about RVD? Or Booker T? They haven't main evented a PPV in over a year despite both being way more over than Orton. Or Mysterio and Cena from Smackdown? Same period of time and all these people that get way more heat have seen fewer main events.

 

Or how about Orton's Rumble performance where he lasted through almost the whole thing and probably eliminated the most people out of anyone and then got sold like he really should've won the whole thing the next night?

[razazteca 0]

I can't believe people are complaining about WWE actually pushing someone for once. They should be pushing more guys the way they pushed Orton and Cena, not less.

Its time to forget them and marvel at the greatness of Shelton Benjamin and Rhyno.

[humongous2002 0]

Well back in the days wrestlers used to earn their pushes, that's why there are some smarks that complain about Orton just because he didn't work hard to earn his push.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

And let's see........ that's still one more main event than several guys who are more over than he is. When's the last time Hurricane has even been on TV/PPV despite being much more over than Orton is? Or how about RVD? Or Booker T? They haven't main evented a PPV in over a year despite both being way more over than Orton. Or Mysterio and Cena from Smackdown? Same period of time and all these people that get way more heat have seen fewer main events.

 

Or how about Orton's Rumble performance where he lasted through almost the whole thing and probably eliminated the most people out of anyone and then got sold like he really should've won the whole thing the next night?

Is this a joke post?

 

How the hell is Hurricane worthy to main event a PPV? I hate to break it to you, but not only is he a crusierweight he's a joke cruiserweight character at that.

 

I'll give you RVD and Booker T, they've been shit on by WWE since the jump. But... what does that have to do with Orton? Is that his fault? Should he go down in flames along with them just so YOU feel better?

 

Cena got as many main events as Orton- exactly one. And it wasn't a clusterfuck with 6 guys in a big cage, it was a straight up one on one match with Brock. And it sucked.

 

As for Rey Rey, I'm a fan of his but cruiserweights do NOT main event PPV's, and to be honest nor should they. Yeah he had a decent match with Eddie the other night- but would that match draw if we had to pay for it?

 

And I don't know what Rumble you watched but I remember Orton getting eliminated around the half way mark, and Benoit winning at number one. The fact that you bitch that Orton so much as eliminated some people says a lot about your mindstate. That's what happens in Rumbles, wrestlers throw each other over the top rope.

 

Who said Orton should've won the next night? Lawler the heel announcer? Flair? Orton himself? Who actually won the thing and then went on to win the belt at Mania? I think some of you were actually disappointed when Benoit won it, because it deprived you of your right to bitch.

 

And humongous what does that mean that Orton didn't work to earn his push? Do you know him personally? How do you know how hard he works?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

You made my point. Hurricane is a lower card joke character and he still gets more of a reaction from the crowds than Orton does.

 

And why can't cruisers ME PPVs? Ticket sales for SD actually INCREASED when Eddie a CRUISERWEIGHT beat Lesnar for the title.

[haVoc 0]

Cena got as many main events as Orton- exactly one. And it wasn't a clusterfuck with 6 guys in a big cage, it was a straight up one on one match with Brock. And it sucked.

 

It did suck. But it wasn't the main event.

[Guest Besus]

And let's see........ that's still one more main event than several guys who are more over than he is.

 

So cause a guy is over,he should main event a PPV for the

World Championship?

 

When's the last time Hurricane has even been on TV/PPV despite being much more over than Orton is?

 

Hurricane was at WM XX(Backstage) and The Rock said

something to him and Rosey? Rosie? Also,he was on the

Raw before WM XX.

 

Or how about RVD?

 

RVD was at WM XX.

 

Also,he's always on Raw.

 

Or Booker T?

 

Same for RVD.

 

They haven't main evented a PPV in over a year despite both being way more over than Orton.

 

Booker T ME'd Survivor Series and RVD.

 

When was the last time you watched WWE?

 

Or Mysterio and Cena from Smackdown?

 

Mysterio ME'd last week on Smackdown.

 

Cena/A-Train was a main event on Smackdown last year.

 

I know Smackdown isn't a PPV,i'm just telling you they have

ME'd in WWE.

 

Same period of time and all these people that get way more heat have seen fewer main events.

 

So? more or less,Orton gets heat.

[humongous2002 0]

In my eyes he hasn't done anything spectacular in or out of the ring to give him the push he's been getting.He bores me with his promos and his wrestling skills are still very basic for a guy that's getting a main event push. Orton might still be a main eventer someday but he's not ready for the spotlight right now.

[razazteca 0]

Well back in the days wrestlers used to earn their pushes, that's why there are some smarks that complain about Orton just because he didn't work hard to earn his push.

What was the formula?

 

1. Work tag team for a year or more

2. Win IC title after feud with tag partner

3. Main Event

 

Randy Orton must be an south park underpants gnome!

 

Step 1: Steal heat

Sep 3: God push

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

You made my point. Hurricane is a lower card joke character and he still gets more of a reaction from the crowds than Orton does.

 

And why can't cruisers ME PPVs? Ticket sales for SD actually INCREASED when Eddie a CRUISERWEIGHT beat Lesnar for the title.

Hurricane gets a reaction from little kids who think a guy in a green super-hero outfit is funny. You think these same little kids are the ones buying PPVs?

 

And no, Eddie is not a cruiserweight, not anymore. For one thing he's a lot bigger now than he was in WCW a few years ago. And secondly, which title did he recently win? The crusierweight belt, or the actual WWE title?

 

I forgot about the Survivor Series main event, which included Booker and RVD along with Orton. But I noticed you never answered my question- should Orton not be pushed just because RVD and Booker don't get much push either just so YOU feel better? Because that's really what this is all about, isn't it? I don't understand why you people can't just say, "oh I don't like Orton," leave it at that, and move on with your lives (or lack thereof).

 

And Fear Havoc Cena/Brock might not have went on last but it was for the title, wasn't it? I don't even remember what PPV it was so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But I do know Orton has never had a shot at the title, and if he did Benoit would probably destroy him. Notice how Benoit made Orton his bitch almost every time they went at it in the Rumble?

[Guest Duncan Eternia]

Since Feb Orton has got thunderous boos,asshole chants, you suck chants and cheers.

Uh, no, no he hasn't.

I was at WMXX and when they ran the evolution promo and showed Orton first he was pretty much booed out of the building.

 

Lets go Orton!!! I support you!!!

[Guest Anglesault]

But I noticed you never answered my question- should Orton not be pushed just because RVD and Booker don't get much push either

Yes. If the over guys aren't getting pushed, less over (in this case, ridiculously less over) guys shouldn't get pushed.

 

It sends a horrible message to the locker room.

 

"These guys get tremendous heat and or put on great matches, but we don't feel like pushing them. This guy, on the other hand, does neither, but hey, he's got the LOOK~! and has been handpicked by HHH, so he does get a push."

Edited March 25, 2004 by Anglesault

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Hurricane gets a reaction from little kids who think a guy in a green super-hero outfit is funny. You think these same little kids are the ones buying PPVs?

 

Yes. I was at a Hurricane autograph signing and everyone around me (which were mainly 40 year old women and kids under 12) saw WM XX and went to WM 18. And there were *a lot* of people there.