What in all f'ing hell is wrong with the Yankees?

[Guest Vitamin X]

Florida Marlins 12-5....

 

FLUKE THAT, BITCH~!

Long year.

Then why are you so worried?

[Guest Anglesault]

It's easier to self destruct than it is to rise from the ashes.

[Mole 0]

Aww, BoSox 12-6, a 6-1 lead in the Yankees series and all of this without Nomar or Trot.

 

I'll take this for all it is worth because the curse will bite them in the ass in the fall.

[Grenouille 0]

I'll take this for all it is worth because the curse will bite them in the ass in the fall.

If Boston has curse, which is a bunch of crap, and the Cubs have the goat, then what is the reason for the White Sox drought?

 

The "curse" is just Dan Shaughnessy's little baby, that made him money and makes it easy for hack sports writers to write a reason of why the Sox will lose without looking at hard facts.

 

As for the Yankees, they'll bounce back for the WC, but these two series have dug them a divisional hole.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Being a Pirates fan, this may be the only point in the season that I can say this. The Pirates have a higher winning percentage than the Yanks.......

 

 

Ha fucking Ha

[Slayer 0]

I'll take this for all it is worth because the curse will bite them in the ass in the fall.

If Boston has curse, which is a bunch of crap, and the Cubs have the goat, then what is the reason for the White Sox drought?

[Guest Anglesault]

I'll take this for all it is worth because the curse will bite them in the ass in the fall.

If Boston has curse, which is a bunch of crap, and the Cubs have the goat, then what is the reason for the White Sox drought?

That's the easiest of the three to explain. If not for the Black Sox, who knows, they could have turned into a Yankee Style dynasty.

 

As for the Yankees, they'll bounce back for the WC,

 

I hate the fucking Wild Card.

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

What's wrong with the Yankees? Everything except for pitching at the moment. Defense is letting 'em down, and so is the lack of offense. Starting pitching has been decent, unless you're named Mike or Jose.

 

And this makes my day. How sweet it would be if the Yanks missed the playoffs.

[Guest Anglesault]

For the most part, the new guys have been contributing.

[Some Guy 0]

It's really funny to see AS go into the stereotypical Boston temper tantrum when the team has a bad stretch. What if the Yanks were 15 games over .500 in June and then went into this little tail spin? Nothing they're still a good team. They have several multi-million dollar all-stars (most of whom can't field, but that notwithstanding) who are far better than they have performed. However they, so far seem to lack the chemistry or work ethic to win it big. I really don't think that it's a coincidence that this WS drout started when many of the players who defined the Yanks left. O'Neil, Brosious(sp?), and Tino. Only Bernie (who seems to be about done), Jeter, Posada, and Rivera are left from the dynasty years. And they might not be as hungry as they were. I think a lot of players sign with NYY because they think that they will have a WS ring handed to them 1 year after they sign a contract. It doesn't work that way. One can't take anything for granted.

[Guest Anglesault]

What if the Yanks were 15 games over .500 in June and then went into this little tail spin?

I at least could see that it was just a slump and not a team that doesn't have it.

 

When a team starts off playing like AA ballplayers, you can't go on anything but hunches and "well, the stats say they can't be this bad".

 

If they hit it three months in, you know that they are just slumping.

[Some Guy 0]

The thing is these guys are just slumping, well most of them. Jeter hit .324 last year, A-Rod won the MVP, Posada hit about 30 HRs, Shefield made a bid at the triple crown in a pitcher's park, Mussina won a bunch of games, etc... Jeter's problem is mechanical or he's injured and he's not a good SS, A-Rod was pressing way too hard (remember when Giambi came to town?), Posada had a great start power wise and is in a slump adn had never been a good defensive catcher, Giambi is too selcetive and not aggresive enough at the plate and is a poor 1B, Shefield is in a slump (his bat speed is still very good), Mussina lost his dad or somebody and barely pitched in Spring Training.

 

Contreras didn't pitch well against good teams last year, Bernie is old and falling apart physically, Wilson just sucks in general, and the #5 starter and middle relief isn't going to be lights out foe anybody.

 

Want to know what's wrong with the Yanks? They can't catch the ball. Save Matsui, Shef, Mussina, and A-Rod their defense sucks. Other than that they have no real problem that any other team doesn't have. The rest are adequate to poor defensively. Even last year the Yanks hada suspect #5 guy (Weaver and Contreras), they had poor middle relief, and they started out 18 and 3 or something. Guess what? They didn't play .857 ball the rest of the year, if they had they would have won about 139 games. And guess what? They aren't going to finish with 68 wins, as they are on pace to do. They'll win between 88 and 95 games by my guesstimation, which is a fine season, possible not good enough to make the playoffs but they're do to crap out one of these years.

 

It amazes me how spoiled and childish Yankee's fans are. They team gave them all these championships and they have a bad start and are already considered failures. Give me 4 WS wins in 5 years and 2 more trips in the next 3 and I'll take a sub .500 start with a smile on my face. Hell, just give me one and to use a tired Jerry Lawler cliche, you'd have to surgically remove the smile from my face. So, shut up, suck it up, and stop whining. The team will be fine and you'ce already gotten more than any other team in the history of sports so maybe you should be a little more accepting of a slump. And don't give me this "We're Yankee's fans adn we demand excelence" horseshit. You're spoiled brats who demand perfectiond and then cry in you Lucky Charms when you don't get every thing you want and more. Yankees fans are like Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka except with an annoying NEw yark accent instead of the British one. "I want it now daddy, I WANT IT NOW!" Stop whining. It's pathetic.

[Guest Anglesault]

They'll win between 88 and 95 games by my guesstimation, which is a fine season, possible not good enough to make the playoffs

Then they're not having a fine season, are they?

 

That whole post reminds me of how I tried to counsel my Met fan friends the last couple of years. The Mets, on paper, had no business being as awful as they were

 

.We're Yankee's fans and we demand excelence" horseshit. You're spoiled brats who demand perfection

 

We demand quality and effort. Nothing out of reach.

[Some Guy 0]

.We're Yankee's fans and we demand excelence" horseshit. You're spoiled brats who demand perfection

 

We demand quality and effort. Nothing out of reach.

Define quality and effort.

 

I have this hinting suspicion that you mean 100+ wins, sweeping the playoffs, and a WS ring.

[Slayer 0]

"Worst. Team. Ever."

[Guest Anglesault]

.We're Yankee's fans and we demand excelence" horseshit. You're spoiled brats who demand perfection

 

We demand quality and effort. Nothing out of reach.

Define quality and effort.

 

I have this hinting suspicion that you mean 100+ wins, sweeping the playoffs, and a WS ring.

They don't have to sweep the playoffs, and 100 plus wins is merely a perk. I'd like them to, but 95+ is just as good.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

That whole post reminds me of how I tried to counsel my Met fan friends the last couple of years. The Mets, on paper, had no business being as awful as they were

 

They didn't?

[Some Guy 0]

.We're Yankee's fans and we demand excelence" horseshit. You're spoiled brats who demand perfection

 

We demand quality and effort. Nothing out of reach.

Define quality and effort.

 

I have this hinting suspicion that you mean 100+ wins, sweeping the playoffs, and a WS ring.

They don't have to sweep the playoffs, and 100 plus wins is merely a perk. I'd like them to, but 95+ is just as good.

SO, basically the Yanks must 95 games or more, they are allowed to lose a game or 2 in the playoffs, but must win the WS to show you "quality and effrort". You're dillusional.

 

Why not just say that you will settle for nothing less than a WS win and drop this quality and effort" shit?

[Guest Anglesault]

.We're Yankee's fans and we demand excelence" horseshit. You're spoiled brats who demand perfection

 

We demand quality and effort. Nothing out of reach.

Define quality and effort.

 

I have this hinting suspicion that you mean 100+ wins, sweeping the playoffs, and a WS ring.

They don't have to sweep the playoffs, and 100 plus wins is merely a perk. I'd like them to, but 95+ is just as good.

SO, basically the Yanks must 95 games or more,

Well, 2000 showed that 87 is passable.

 

they are allowed to lose a game or 2 in the playoffs

They can lose up to eight.

 

Why not just say that you will settle for nothing less than a WS win and drop this quality and effort" shit?

They're the same thing.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Looking over some stats. Mariano Rivera has walked 6 batters in 11 innings. That might not sound bad, until you realize he hasn't walked more than 12 batters in a season the last three years.

[Guest Anglesault]

Things seem to be turning around.

 

we're at that "two game winning streak" wall though.

 

However, of the three matches, Brown/Zito was the only one I was happy with going into this.

[NoCalMike 0]

Things seem to be turning around.

 

we're at that "two game winning streak" wall though.

 

However, of the three matches, Brown/Zito was the only one I was happy with going into this.

Zito has sucked so far this year every outing, with his last one being the absolute worst. I doubt he wins tomorrow, and the A's losing streak will continue Damn Yankees......

[Guest Anglesault]

It was more my confidence in Brown than any dig at Zito.

[NoCalMike 0]

It was more my confidence in Brown than any dig at Zito.

Kevin Brown has been solid, but not elite by any means. Of course his move to the AL benefits him the first year over the batters.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Kevin Brown has been solid, but not elite by any means. Of course his move to the AL benefits him the first year over the batters.

 

Brown IS an elite starter. Except for 2002, he hasn't posted an ERA above 3 since 1995. His adjusted ERA+ is 131, 7th among active pitchers.

[NoCalMike 0]

Kevin Brown has been solid, but not elite by any means. Of course his move to the AL benefits him the first year over the batters.

 

Brown IS an elite starter. Except for 2002, he hasn't posted an ERA above 3 since 1995. His adjusted ERA+ is 131, 7th among active pitchers.

If I had my choice though, especially as a Yankees GM..

 

Pettite > Brown

[Guest Anglesault]

Well, we didn't have a choice.

[Bored 0]

162 game averages

 

Brown: 3.16, ERA, 131 ERA+, 172 SO, 64 BB, 14 HR

 

Pettite: 3.94 ERA, 117 ERA+, 155 SO, 70 BB, 17 HR

 

Kevin Brown is and has always been better than Andy Pettite. Pettite is probably one of the most overrated pitchers ever mainly because of the exposure he got from pitching in New York.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

162 game averages

 

Brown: 3.16, ERA, 131 ERA+, 172 SO, 64 BB, 14 HR

 

Pettite: 3.94 ERA, 117 ERA+, 155 SO, 70 BB, 17 HR

 

Kevin Brown is and has always been better than Andy Pettite

 

Agreed. Looking at Win Shares, Brown has outpitched Pettitte seven of of nine seasons.

[Mole 0]

I just checked my calendar today and I noticed something.

 

IT'S FUCKIN APRIL. It doesn't really matter how well a team is doing now. There are 140 some odd games left, so anything can happen.