Is there a worse finisher than the Spear

[The Tino Standard 0]

Garrison Cade's top rope elbow drop is pretty lame for a finisher (at least in 2004), IMO. Of course, he only beats Val Venis on Heat with it every week, as opposed to pinning main eventers with it.

The Flying Elbow isn't the most innovative finisher, but I think it's a hell of a lot more convincing than a lot of the crap being used these days.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

The only person who can do the Elbow Drop proper is RANDY SAVAGE, everyone else just looks weak. I hate all forms of the Ace Crusher done today it would include the Hardys Twist of Fate and the RKO by Orton. All forms of the splash other than Eddie Guerrero Froggie style are lame.

You're shitting me.

 

HBK drops a beutiful elbow. Savage's was sold better but Shawn drops it perfectly most of the time.

 

and the RVD frog splash Ownz the Eddie frog splash it looks 100x more devastating.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

My beef with HBK's elbow drop is now and then it shows he barely makes enough to contact for it to hurt. By that I mean you can clearly see him land on his backside before the elbow reaches his opponent.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Damn him for protecting his back.

[Guest Trivia247]

Damn him for protecting his back.

Right besides If you notice the motion he does before landing the elbow its like him giving the Universal Arm gesture to Fuck you....from the New born Christian heh.

 

You can't simply dismiss other people using moves of your favorite wrestlers. Savage's elbow was good alot but sometimes especially in his later WWF career and WCW career it seemed alot less polished. Hell In the latter days of the WCW before he disappeared from wrestling totally...When he did his elbow drop, in order to protect his knee I believe he Put more weight into his elbow thereby legitly hurting the person he's hitting...like Crushing in Lil Natch's chest.

[Guest Quik]

Personally, I always thought the superkick was a fine finisher if it comes out of nowhere to get a quick pin. It looks fairly strong, it can happen anytime, and it can happen quickly.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Yes Savage legit injuried Billy Kidman with the Elbow Drop

[Guest Trivia247]

Personally, I always thought the superkick was a fine finisher if it comes out of nowhere to get a quick pin. It looks fairly strong, it can happen anytime, and it can happen quickly.

people tend to forget that the Superkick as it were was always apart of HBK moves even back in the Rockers days, just wasn't a finisher till after 92 when he was trying that Teardrop Suplex for a while.

 

Superkick is definately a great Finisher spot if you don't telegraph it... Everytime he stomps his foot he should Always miss it. This is no longer the days where you got indi working jobbers who you throw at the Big name wrestler on a prime time wrestling or Wrestling challenge, or Superstars of wrestling....

[Guest Quik]

Personally, I always thought the superkick was a fine finisher if it comes out of nowhere to get a quick pin. It looks fairly strong, it can happen anytime, and it can happen quickly.

people tend to forget that the Superkick as it were was always apart of HBK moves even back in the Rockers days, just wasn't a finisher till after 92 when he was trying that Teardrop Suplex for a while.

 

Superkick is definately a great Finisher spot if you don't telegraph it... Everytime he stomps his foot he should Always miss it. This is no longer the days where you got indi working jobbers who you throw at the Big name wrestler on a prime time wrestling or Wrestling challenge, or Superstars of wrestling....

Exactly. No set-up; set-ups just undermine the credibility of a finisher. But if he reverses out of something and just blasts someone in the face, there's nothing wrong with getting a pin off of it.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

It's a fucking hard kick to the FACE.

 

Superkick is a fine finsher.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

If it's counted, what about Mark Henry's World's Strongest Slam?

 

Or The Worm?

 

Maven's dropkick? The same goes for every other OVW import's "finisher".

 

And Edge makes the Spear work more in that he can come off the ropes with it, which looks awesome, especially in the video package for the Triple-Threat Elimination match for the tag team championship at Survivor Series 2002.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Damn him for protecting his back.

He's been doing it like that since as long as I can remember (as far back as 94-95). It's not something he's done post-back injury. At least Savage's looked like it hurt 9/10 times. Of course, in later years he actually did hurt people because he didn't want to land wrong on his hip or something.

[Guest Quik]

Damn him for protecting his back.

He's been doing it like that since as long as I can remember (as far back as 94-95). It's not something he's done post-back injury. At least Savage's looked like it hurt 9/10 times. Of course, in later years he actually did hurt people because he didn't want to land wrong on his hip or something.

Have you heard his rap album? The man's full of rage... a walking, talking, 250 pounds of anger. He probly dropped that elbow on anyone he could with the intention of shattering their fucking ribs... think Hardcore Holly with PMS and bipolar disorder (extra focus on hate).

[Guest Trivia247]

If it's counted, what about Mark Henry's World's Strongest Slam?

 

Or The Worm?

 

Maven's dropkick? The same goes for every other OVW import's "finisher".

 

And Edge makes the Spear work more in that he can come off the ropes with it, which looks awesome, especially in the video package for the Triple-Threat Elimination match for the tag team championship at Survivor Series 2002.

Actually I'd probably believe the Mark Henry's World strongest slam looks alot credible. Imagine someone the size of a 450 pounder scooping you up and Not only slamming you... But Jumping and SPLASHING all his weight down atop you in the same motion. It's maybe probably the most simplist Finisher out there today, but hell its still more credible than a Worm or say...the peoples elbow

[Guest Quik]

If it's counted, what about Mark Henry's World's Strongest Slam?

 

Or The Worm?

 

Maven's dropkick? The same goes for every other OVW import's "finisher".

 

And Edge makes the Spear work more in that he can come off the ropes with it, which looks awesome, especially in the video package for the Triple-Threat Elimination match for the tag team championship at Survivor Series 2002.

Actually I'd probably believe the Mark Henry's World strongest slam looks alot credible. Imagine someone the size of a 450 pounder scooping you up and Not only slamming you... But Jumping and SPLASHING all his weight down atop you in the same motion. It's maybe probably the most simplist Finisher out there today, but hell its still more credible than a Worm or say...the peoples elbow

Yeah, but dumb that explanation down and you get "Big fat guy picks you up and then falls on you".

 

Bloody brilliant!

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Damn him for protecting his back.

He's been doing it like that since as long as I can remember (as far back as 94-95). It's not something he's done post-back injury. At least Savage's looked like it hurt 9/10 times. Of course, in later years he actually did hurt people because he didn't want to land wrong on his hip or something.

Shawn's had back problems dating from that time period, kid.

[Guest Trivia247]

If it's counted, what about Mark Henry's World's Strongest Slam?

 

Or The Worm?

 

Maven's dropkick? The same goes for every other OVW import's "finisher".

 

And Edge makes the Spear work more in that he can come off the ropes with it, which looks awesome, especially in the video package for the Triple-Threat Elimination match for the tag team championship at Survivor Series 2002.

Actually I'd probably believe the Mark Henry's World strongest slam looks alot credible. Imagine someone the size of a 450 pounder scooping you up and Not only slamming you... But Jumping and SPLASHING all his weight down atop you in the same motion. It's maybe probably the most simplist Finisher out there today, but hell its still more credible than a Worm or say...the peoples elbow

Yeah, but dumb that explanation down and you get "Big fat guy picks you up and then falls on you".

 

Bloody brilliant!

Well most of my fellow posters here DON'T need a Dumbing down version

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Yeah, Henry's finisher makes sense, but how does the name really mean anything?

 

And it's still horrible, sensible or not. Just like the rest of his "moveset".

[clean rob 0]

Superkick is definately a great Finisher spot if you don't telegraph it... Everytime he stomps his foot he should Always miss it. This is no longer the days where you got indi working jobbers who you throw at the Big name wrestler on a prime time wrestling or Wrestling challenge, or Superstars of wrestling....

To be fair, everytime he does the whole 'tuning up the band' set-up these days, he DOES miss the superkick. I can't remember the last time he connected with it that way.

 

I agree that that both the Superkick and Worlds Strongest Slam are fine as finishers...and at least Henry is never going to botch that move.

 

Edge should make the Spear a mid-match spot or a set-up for a finisher a la Goldberg. Ditto the Worm/People's Elbow.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Superkick is definately a great Finisher spot if you don't telegraph it... Everytime he stomps his foot he should Always miss it. This is no longer the days where you got indi working jobbers who you throw at the Big name wrestler on a prime time wrestling or Wrestling challenge, or Superstars of wrestling....

To be fair, everytime he does the whole 'tuning up the band' set-up these days, he DOES miss the superkick. I can't remember the last time he connected with it that way.

 

I agree that that both the Superkick and Worlds Strongest Slam are fine as finishers...and at least Henry is never going to botch that move.

 

Edge should make the Spear a mid-match spot or a set-up for a finisher a la Goldberg. Ditto the Worm/People's Elbow.

I think that Michaels connects softly. The last time he connected properly as Jericho was running at him at WrestleMania XIX.

 

I think that Edge's Spear is fine, but if it were like Goldberg's Spear, it would both degrade the move and... what would come after it? The Edgeacution?

 

It's also unbelievable for guys to get up right after the Spear, pretty much, when Goldberg has a catch-phrase entitled "Fear the Spear", and they don't get up after a Spear from Edge.

[Guest Museite]

Big Boss Man's excuse for a Chokeslam was always terrible IMO

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Big Boss Man's excuse for a Chokeslam was always terrible IMO

Hey, it's what security guys do. Did you see The Fast and the Furious?

 

I'm sorry to say that I did.

[Guest Museite]

Actually you make a good point but it was still terrible. His cop gimmick will always live on in my memory.

[clean rob 0]

I think that Michaels connects softly. The last time he connected properly as Jericho was running at him at WrestleMania XIX.

Michaels does a great superkick IMO. He looks like he connects just fine.

 

I think that Edge's Spear is fine, but if it were like Goldberg's Spear, it would both degrade the move and... what would come after it? The Edgeacution?

What do you mean it would degrade the move? My point is that it doesn't look like a move that would finish someone off, it would be better doing it either as a mid-match spot, or as a move that knocks the wind out of his opponent before hitting them with the Edge-a-cution or something.

 

It's also unbelievable for guys to get up right after the Spear, pretty much, when Goldberg has a catch-phrase entitled "Fear the Spear", and they don't get up after a Spear from Edge.

Huh? Goldberg always picked people up after the spear and hit them with the Jackhammer, they didn't just 'get up'. And I am saying people shouldn't stay down after a spear from Edge - especially since he's hardly built like GB.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I have to put in my vote for The Worm as well. Lets see.. face plant, followed by 10 seconds of dancing over the guy, followed by 4 hops, followed by 3 (?) "worms" followed by chopping the air three times, all leading to A CHOP TO THE CHEST! Wow, devastating. The whole time the guy has to lay there waiting for the dumbass to finish his move. Just terrible. I usually turn the channel whenever S2H wrestles.

 

 

Side note: My buddy has given every wrestling CAW he has made the Worm due to my immense hatred of the move (when available that is).

[jester 0]

I have to put in my vote for The Worm as well. Lets see.. face plant, followed by 10 seconds of dancing over the guy, followed by 4 hops, followed by 3 (?) "worms" followed by chopping the air three times, all leading to A CHOP TO THE CHEST! Wow, devastating. The whole time the guy has to lay there waiting for the dumbass to finish his move. Just terrible. I usually turn the channel whenever S2H wrestles.

Count me in. I hate finishers with too much showboating beforehand. Someone should get up on S2H when he's halfway through the move, doing the ground humping thing and then step on his head.

[Styles 0]

In reply, to the original post, no one from management will tell Edge not to use the spear as a finisher because it's likely coming from management. When Goldberg was around they wanted him to stop using the Jackhammer and just use the spear as a finisher. He, smartly laughed at them and told them to fuck off, so I guess it's being passed down to Edge to use it instead of the Implant DDT.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

It's a fucking hard kick to the FACE.

 

Superkick is a fine finsher.

Right, it is just a kick to the head. I have no problem with it being used as a transition move, but as a finisher, especially with the number of people who have used it over the years, it is very weak. This goes for the Big Boot (ala Test) as well. I want something that is more impressive than a kick to the head, like the Pedigree.

[Dace59 0]

Nothing wrong with a kick to the head, as long as it looks good. A proper nasty martial arts kick, or a good Yakuza Kick both look brutal.

 

While in theory any finish is nasty if it's put over as such, there is still that case of looks. The Western Lariat is just a Lariat, but you couldn't pay me to stand in the way of one.

 

Good looking, well executed moves will generally be more impressive. But anything can be impressive in the right context. If the Powerbomb and the DVD are the most brutal devisating moves used in a fed, a Running DDT is going to look pretty good. If you're in a fed with a million and one head drops for finishers, it's a different think.

 

Thats assuming all those moves have the same level of executing and stiffness.

After that, if you get a move over, with the right bumping/selling and effects, it'll look better.

[Guest MikeSC]

Oh, the F-U is unbelievably horrible.

 

Also, toss in:

 

The Steiner Recliner (OOH, A REAR CHINLOCK! HOW WILL I SURVIVE?)

And, for you AWA fans out there --- remember Mitch Snow's Jam Slam (hip toss into a cross body). L-A-M-E.

-=Mike