So, Was TEW a Flop?

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Because I sure don't hear too much about it on this forum. If anything, it seems to have sparked more interest in EWR 4.0. What's up with this game? Did anyone get the full version? Also, while I'm here, does anyone have a link to the old Extreme Warfare Message Boards?

[Guest Vitamin X]

Would you pay $30 for a wrestling simulator? EWR is fun and all, but fucking christ, I wouldn't buy it, especially since it can get quite played out.

[Lightning Flik 0]

The biggest fault against TEW is a lot of people had set the bar quite high, when realistically, you can only take it up a couple of steps on the first run.

 

Besides, Adam apparently got way more people buying his game than was projected, so I don't think TEW is a flop. On the contrary, I just think a lot of people would just rather stick with EWR 4.0.

 

I wouldn't, since I know TEW is better overall and in the long run.

[Vyce 0]

It may have been a success, but I feel that a lot of potential buyers - like myself - were turned off by how......incomplete the game was at launch.

 

I'm sorry, it may be the best wrestling simulator ever devised - but I shouldn't have to download a shitload of patches the first couple weeks just so it runs correctly.

[syxx2001 0]

You do understand that this is a PC game and not every PC works the same. Just cause it worked fine on Bubba and Roscoe's computers doesnt mean it will work right on Rodney's. What was he gonna do? Find 400 testers to make sure it was absolutly correct on every type of computer out there? Yeah right.

[Lightning Flik 0]

It may have been a success, but I feel that a lot of potential buyers - like myself - were turned off by how......incomplete the game was at launch.

 

I'm sorry, it may be the best wrestling simulator ever devised - but I shouldn't have to download a shitload of patches the first couple weeks just so it runs correctly.

Thing is, Adam underestimated on the game for stuff like angles and minor little details (and really, things like roster thingy in EWR to know where a person is on a card is a minor detail). Understandably, as many people claimed they never used a lot of the stuff that he had added. So he left it out.

 

What happens? Of course everyone wanted it back in. That's probably the biggest fault he had with the game. Then again, even I admit he cut a little too much to start with.

 

Plus a everyone ran on different systems. I will go on record to state that I've never encountered a single problem that any of that where stated, so some of the different machines screwed up differently.

 

And no one bring up the real life stats updates. Those are not dealt with by .400 Studios or Adam and therefore not subject to him getting bitched about for them.

 

You must take that up with RaveX, TEWZone, and the others out there.

 

I find all the patches since the release a reassuring thing, since it shows that Adam's committed to making sure that we've got a playable copy of TEW that runs as best as it can.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

My problem is that EWR 4.0 was too good. It had pretty much everything I wanted in a wrestling sim, and thus I am not motivated to buy another one. Two years ago, I would have bought it.

[Lightning Flik 0]

My problem is that EWR 4.0 was too good. It had pretty much everything I wanted in a wrestling sim, and thus I am not motivated to buy another one. Two years ago, I would have bought it.

Yes. TEW is a step up from EWR. In many areas it excels in, but fact remains, it is only a step up.

 

This is the biggest reason you don't see a thread on here. Mainly one started by myself.

 

TEW next year would have to improve a lot to make it seem like a game worthy of a purchase. Even I'm still debating whether I should or shouldn't.

[Guest hunger4unger]

The old boards have been closed by the server staff due to some violation or other..url is http://ewb3.ithium.net/ewbIII/index.php

 

TEW has many problems..firstly..asking for people to pay for a game that they essentially already have for free.

 

The second that upon release it had a shitload of bugs and required a lot of memory in order to even run properly.

[Lightning Flik 0]

TEW has many problems..firstly..asking for people to pay for a game that they essentially already have for free.

 

The second that upon release it had a shitload of bugs and required a lot of memory in order to even run properly.

I've already dealt with this once, and apparently you didn't bother reading the thread as I already explained why TEW is only a step up from EWR.

 

And while TEW is a step up from EWR, it is not EWR. You can't compare the two as EWR 4.0 is at the limit of what it can do. TEW is just the first step and must borrow things from EWR to make that step. Hence why they are the same in some areas and totally different in others. Does this mean TEW is worth the cash? That's for you to decide. For you it isn't. For me, I'm still up in the air on the whole thing.

 

Again, I state I never have encountered any of the so-called bugs that appear and frankly, with the amount of patches that have gone into fixing all these errors, it is most likely they are all fixed now. Most games come out buggy for PC, as you can't prepare yourself for all the specs and these things happen. Once again, I'll state that I'd rather have someone releasing a shitload of patches to fix the shitload of bugs, then just sit back and do nothing.

 

And yes, TEW takes a long time to load. This we have no disagreement on.

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

I simply found TEW to be boring. I played the demo and I was bored out of my skull about two weeks into my WWE game.

[syxx2001 0]

Loads pretty quick for me, with all areas on, on a 950 mhz Athlon with 256 megs of RAM.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

i found it really boring and too detailed. I'll stick with EWR

[Guest Hot Ticket]

it seems way too complicated in some areas...i used to be able to check who worked well together in EWR at a glance because there were 3 stats. Now its a chore and a trip to the eye doctor waiting to happen. The text is done on bad colors, really close, and the screen is cluttered as all hell. if you can, pirate it. thats the only way its worth it.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I have TEW but it slurps up memory space FAST.

[Guest hunger4unger]

TEW has many problems..firstly..asking for people to pay for a game that they essentially already have for free.

 

The second that upon release it had a shitload of bugs and required a lot of memory in order to even run properly.

I've already dealt with this once, and apparently you didn't bother reading the thread as I already explained why TEW is only a step up from EWR.

 

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It's nice that you had already dealt with this but I couldn't care less. I was ALSO offering MY opinion on it.

[dubq 0]

I lost interest after the Trial. Fast. Personally, I think it was a mistake to scrap EWR4 and build something new. The sim could've been a hundred times better if the EWR4 "engine" was just improved and added to.

 

Just IMO anyways.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

I also remember hearing back in the day that there were going to be animations within TEW, which I thought was the reason for the $35 price tag.

[Lightning Flik 0]

It's nice that you had already dealt with this but I couldn't care less. I was ALSO offering MY opinion on it.

Next time, I'll try to remember that you too, have an opinion. I sometimes forget that yours counts for something.

 

Seriously though, I got a little carried away with what I was saying. I just meant, that in previous post, I had pretty much said all that needed to be said about the game being a flop. So when you pretty much repeated it, that felt annoying to me, since I had went out of my way to write all that up, and you didn't just go "yup, that's right".

 

Pretty silly of me, I know, but hey. You gotta be vain every now and then.

 

I lost interest after the Trial. Fast. Personally, I think it was a mistake to scrap EWR4 and build something new. The sim could've been a hundred times better if the EWR4 "engine" was just improved and added to.

 

Just IMO anyways.

You can't add to the EWR4 "engine". It's done in Virtual Basic and #4 took the current engine to the limit (if you believe Adam Ryland, and frankly, I tend to agree with that thought). The only way you could improve on that engine is to build it from scrap once again. If you are going to do that, then there is no point, as it wouldn't be a new EWR, it would be something else.

 

Hence why he built TEW. Hell, even then he only built it because .400 hired him to do so. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't've had a TEW. At least this way, we still get a wrestling simulator. Because if there wasn't a TEW, we'd be stuck with EWR till someone comes along to give us a new wrestling simulator.

 

I also remember hearing back in the day that there were going to be animations within TEW, which I thought was the reason for the $35 price tag.

No. Adam never said TEW would have animations. It was said that some of the other .400's have some brief little animations and figured it would be in TEW. That was actually people who had played .400 software. Adam said no, and that was that.

 

I'm thanking God right now, that I actually paid attention to everything said.

[dubq 0]

Because if there wasn't a TEW, we'd be stuck with EWR till someone comes along to give us a new wrestling simulator.

Hey, thats a-ok with me.

[thuganomics 0]

The game would have been far superior if they had kept the EWR framework though. The only things really broken in EWR were the Sponsors and Television systems, and they could be easily renovated.

 

But TEW's ultra-realism turns me off quite a bit. Especially on my computer, which it would happily destroy if I ever played it at home.

[Guest Hot Ticket]

I think the thing that pisses me off is that it HAS to be run in 1024x768. That makes stuff incredibly smaller than usual for me. I'm happy that I don't have to wear glasses yet. I think the price pissed a lot of people off too. For $15 more you can buy a SD! game for PS2 which you can get right into with no hassle and it has graphics. The price is too steep and he cluttered everything.

[Papacita 0]

I still might order the game once I get the money. When I played the trial, everything worked fine for me, and I liked a lot of the things they added. I agree that it probably was a little too complicated, because it seemed like it took years for me to book my first show...and they didn't have an auto-booker to my knowledge, so when I'd get frustrated and just try to move on, I couldn't.

[Vyce 0]

And while TEW is a step up from EWR, it is not EWR. You can't compare the two as EWR 4.0 is at the limit of what it can do. TEW is just the first step and must borrow things from EWR to make that step. Hence why they are the same in some areas and totally different in others. Does this mean TEW is worth the cash? That's for you to decide. For you it isn't. For me, I'm still up in the air on the whole thing.

 

Again, I state I never have encountered any of the so-called bugs that appear and frankly, with the amount of patches that have gone into fixing all these errors, it is most likely they are all fixed now. Most games come out buggy for PC, as you can't prepare yourself for all the specs and these things happen. Once again, I'll state that I'd rather have someone releasing a shitload of patches to fix the shitload of bugs, then just sit back and do nothing.

IF we see another version of TEW - next year, perhaps - then I'll probably consider buying it.

 

Assuming, of course, that the majority of the kinks are worked out BEFORE it's released. I have the sneaking suspicion that Adam released TEW this time around before he was completely 100% done with it, just to meet the "First Quarter 2004" deadline.

[Guest Vitamin X]

So when's Promotion Wars 2 coming out?

[A Happy Medium 0]

About two years ago.

[Lightning Flik 0]

IF we see another version of TEW - next year, perhaps - then I'll probably consider buying it.

 

Assuming, of course, that the majority of the kinks are worked out BEFORE it's released. I have the sneaking suspicion that Adam released TEW this time around before he was completely 100% done with it, just to meet the "First Quarter 2004" deadline.

Considering Adam said it was above and beyond what he expected to get for sales (which I'm guessing was about 100,000 as the largest it would go, so it cracked that), I think it is safe to say there probably will be another version of TEW sometime in the near future.

 

Everyone except .400 staff (that includes Ryland on the staff) have practically stated that it wasn't fully finished. It is pretty much a given.