Being Fat in America

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

No, I go to school up at the University of Washington. First year graduate student, African American History in the West.

 

Don't make assumptions. Those hurt.

Maybe it was the fact that you liked Dave Matthews Band and talked about selling drugs as a teen or something. I don't remember exactly.

[Guest Brian]

I like a lot of different music. Rap, rock, jazz.

 

I find it somewhat hilarious that there's a cultural ideal of little white kids selling drugs, and yet black are 21 times as likely to be caught and 49 times as likely to be chraged. More like ironic.

[EricMM 0]

Look, the point is, fatness is distasteful. It's like smelling bad, or you know, a case of the chicken pox.

 

People don't particularly like to be around people that don't look good to them. I emphasize to them, because anyone can ignore or be used to anything, but the majority of people I know find obesity to be unpleasant. The state of being that overweight usually entails a list of flaws that come with it. One usually sweats more, is weaker, slower, and tend to be more bitter.

 

Its not that skinny people are any better. Christ, the most beatiful girl I can think of now has said she wants to drop 10 lbs. I think she carries it beatifully, but even she knows she's not ACTUALLY fat. I could definitely stand to slim down and tone up, lose another 5-15 lbs. But I am certainly not fat.

 

Again, fatness and being fat is one of the top most STUPIDEST and DISGUSTING things a person can do. It most certainly reflects negatively on them as people. If you can't have the respect for yourself to live in a body which is fit and able, the BASIC respect to live in a body that won't shut down by the time you're forty, the self-esteem to do SOMETHING for your body that is constructive, how can you treat anyone differently? You obviously have self-esteem issues, everything from your username to this very topic prove that. If you weren't worried about your weight you wouldn't post about it. But you are.

 

All you have to do is have the restraint to exercise five times a week. Go jogging, do pushups and dips and squats. Stop eating candy, cookies, cake, and sweetened liquids. At least buy diet versions. You WILL lose weight, and eventually you too can be slim, or so much slimmer that you will seem slim.

 

This whole "I'm fat, leave me alone" thing has to go. I make nasty comments to smokers I don't particularly like because it's gross and bad for you. If someone never uses deoderant or antipersperant, I tell them they smell. Instead of offending the nose, you're offending the eyes. And you're offending the heart. People who have the restraint to live their lives within a set of guidelines that will keep them in shape see in fat people the total abandonment of self-restraint. Hey, cheesecake is YUMMY, lets all eat. And then sleep. If I demand something of myself, I'm going to demand some of that from other people. If you don't want to live by exactly my standards fine. But to totally ignore your health for TV and Twinkies? Thats sick.

[Guest Vitamin X]

To be honest I don't think I've ever remembered buying buds off of any black, or crystal meth. Crystal meth are sold by rednecks from the boonies, yet ironically none here in Florida.

 

All my buds have come from hispanics or the stereotypical metalhead stoner white guys. Odd.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I like a lot of different music. Rap, rock, jazz.

 

I find it somewhat hilarious that there's a cultural ideal of little white kids selling drugs, and yet black are 21 times as likely to be caught and 49 times as likely to be chraged. More like ironic.

Eh, don't take it too personally. The fact that 90% of the board is probably white probably helped. Besides, I listen to a lot of "white" music yet am as far from white as possible, if you were to look at me anyways.

 

The drug thing had to do with pot smoking, not being white. Although I don't know what you're trying to say with your stat; that you find it unfair to white kids that they're depicted in that manner when black kids are selling more drugs (unlikely since it's more like they're being caught more) or that black kids are simply treated unfairly in regards to the situation? I just think that no one investigates that sort of shit in the suburbs. In poor inner city areas aka the ghetto it's the norm.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

This whole "I'm fat, leave me alone" thing has to go. I make nasty comments to smokers I don't particularly like because it's gross and bad for you

 

If you said that to me I'd fucking put your lights out. How fucking rude are you? It's none of your fucking business if they chose to smoke. As long as they aren't forcing you to sit next to them as they smoke then you've got no right to harass them.

 

It's a free country and damnit smoking if A O fucking K.

[Nighthawk 0]

Reminds me of a story. I used to live near this really fat dude. I mean, the guy had to 500 pounds on a good day. He lived with his son and his mother (starting to get a picture of the kind of neighborhood this was?).

 

So one day his son builds this ramp to jump his bike off but he gets too scared to do it. All three of these people are out there. So the mother is like "I'll show you how it's done." and she's gonna jump the bike. Now she's pretty hefty herself, nothing like her son, but up there (the kid was skinny, funnily enough). So she comes off the ramp, flips over the handle bars and crashes to the ground. Found out later that she broke her collarbone. So the fat dude starts running in the house to call an ambulance, but he gets like ten feet before he starts wheezing and drops to a knee, so the kid has to go in and call for one. After the kid comes back out, the guy made him go back and bring a chair out, cause he couldn't take being on his feet long enough to wait for the ambulance.

 

That's bad, yeah. That's the fat you don't wanna be.

[EricMM 0]

I'm not talking about total strangers.

 

I'm talking about people I know, but don't particularly like.

 

Like, I'm not going to tell a friend not to smoke, since they're my friend and I put up with my friends' quirks (unless they were REALLY my friend then I'd try to get them to quit if they wanted) but if not? Smoke smells like shit. What the FUCK is the difference between stinking of sweat or stinking of stale cigs? You still -STINK-. And it's really really bad for you. Practically all the points I said about obesity can be pointed to cigs, and cigs cost more.

 

So don't get all defensive, especially if you find fat people unsightly.

[Guest Dids]

No, I go to school up at the University of Washington. First year graduate student, African American History in the West.

 

Don't make assumptions. Those hurt.

You work out at the IMA? I was there a ton when I was good about working out. Now I work out (or at least have a membership) at the Gold's in the convention center.

[Guest Dids]

Again, fatness and being fat is one of the top most STUPIDEST and DISGUSTING things a person can do. It most certainly reflects negatively on them as people. If you can't have the respect for yourself to live in a body which is fit and able, the BASIC respect to live in a body that won't shut down by the time you're forty, the self-esteem to do SOMETHING for your body that is constructive, how can you treat anyone differently? You obviously have self-esteem issues, everything from your username to this very topic prove that. If you weren't worried about your weight you wouldn't post about it. But you are.

As much as I stand by everything I said in my posts. You're an asshole dude, or at least this is an asshole opinion.

 

Weight loss IS hard. It shouldn't be, but asking somebody to change the way they live isn't easy. I know.

 

My point is that if you're overweight, you shouldn't be content with yourself and should understand that it needs to be changed. It isn't a license for you to be a dickhead and insult other people.

 

In terms of "stupid and disgusting" there's a lot worse things that somebody can do that gain weight.

[EricMM 0]

Fair enough.

 

I'm not trying to mince words or be gentle in this medium.

 

But I stand by these theories. Obesity is bad. Therefore people who allow themselves to be obese are doing a bad thing.

[Guest Dids]

Fair enough.

 

I'm not trying to mince words or be gentle in this medium.

 

But I stand by these theories. Obesity is bad. Therefore people who allow themselves to be obese are doing a bad thing.

I'll agree with that. But it's a far cry from that statement to what you said earlier. Doing a bad thing to yourself isn't always outright stupid. It it a dumb thing, yes. Is it something that only dumb people do, No.

 

Lots of very smart and together people suffer from a lack of impulse control. Some smoke, some drink, some eat, some fuck. We've all got out ways of making ourself happy, and not all of them are good for us.

 

That's a problem, and it's one I fight with daily. However, if you want to think less of me, think less of my impulse control and my eating habits, don't judge me as a person beyond that, because you don't know me or any other fatass you see walking down the street.

[Guest Brian]

No, I go to school up at the University of Washington. First year graduate student, African American History in the West.

 

Don't make assumptions. Those hurt.

You work out at the IMA? I was there a ton when I was good about working out. Now I work out (or at least have a membership) at the Gold's in the convention center.

I go to the IMA twice a week in the morning, but I have a workout partner att the Mieko's in Magnolia and early classes three days a week.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

I'm 6 foot 2 and around 2304-240 and it's pretty much all muscle, but at one point I was one fat mother fucker.

 

And Genetics can play a part in wether or not you're PREDISPOSED to being fat. It's still up too you wether you stay fat or not but some people are just designed in a way that it's very easy to gain alot of weight.

 

I don't think it's right to hate on fat people just because they're fat. By that logic we should hate everyone who's too skinny as well since that's unhealthy also.

 

Expecting everyone to sympathize and feel sorry for you because you're fat is a little too much perhaps but it's more than a little ridiculous for people to disrespect fat people like some have in this thread, a few of whom I know aren't exactly in the greatest of shape themselves...

Excellent post.

 

On genetics, some people are incapable of losing weight naturally, because their body just won't allow it.

 

For people like that, liposuction (or a similar operation) is about the only way to lose weight, and liposuction fucking sucks.

[Nighthawk 0]

Some smoke, some drink, some eat, some fuck.

I do all four, often at the same time.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

EricMM has obviously never had to struggle with things like this.

 

Let's get him addicted to Crack.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

AoO, you're open about being a smoker and it doesn't seem as though you're proud of it.

 

Instead of spending time criticising those that find it difficult to lose weight... Because let's face it, it's no easy task... Not that I can talk, but why don't you spend that time instead trying to quit smoking?

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

Wow... there are some amazingly ignorant fucking assholes posting in this thread. I'm not some P.C. hippy with his head up his ass, but I know that being fat isn't easy. People judge you more often, and more harshly, than they judge others, theres a whole slew of stereotypes and U.S. society isn't exactly modeled for your pleasure. (And it IS the society, its not some fucking built-in alarm thats geneticly implanted. Fat is considered beautiful in a number of cultures across the globe, this is also based on society.) The fact is, this is an image-obsessed society - fat people have a hard time, ugly people have a hard time, short people, bald people, etc. etc. etc. and society probably isn't going to change. Netslob - if you're going to lose weight, you have to do it for yourself. You can't do it to conform to society, you can't do it to impress some girl, you can't do it because some fucking shmuck on a wrestling forum thinks you're a bad person because of it. If you go about it like this, you're going to fizzle out and end up right back where you were, if not worse off. The fact is, being fat IS your choice, but its going to kill you. It seems like you've realized this and you're trying to do something about it. As far as girls go - just be confident in yourself. Weight matters a little, but its FAR from the biggest factor; a six-pack alone will not get a girl into bed with you. Senior year of high school, I weighed 350 pounds, I had a girlfriend who was 120 pounds after a big meal. Our personalities meshed, we had fun together, she supported me at football games and she was a good looking girl (by anyone's standards, but most importantly, by mine.) Since then, I've had a variety of experiences with girls - "fat" ones, "skinny" ones, "athletic" ones, blondes, brunettes, redheads, all while I watch "normal" people strike-out with the same girls. You just need to get to a place where you're comfortable with who you are - it sounds like I'm a fucking hippy, and it sounds like some new-age bullshit, but you really do need to "love yourself" before anyone else can love you... whether it be in the traditional sense or in the "blowing you and then making you a sandwich" sense. Don't listen to all the shit-talkers in this thread, they'll never know what its like to go through what you go through, not even other fat people will, because its your experience - not mine, not Cancer Marney's, not anyones. Look at your computer moniter, tell all the nay-sayers to fuck-off, and do whatever it takes to get happy. Thats my advice, anyway.

[Firestarter 0]

Genes are no excuse. Being in a wheelchair is no excuse. Hell, even being paralysed from the neck down is no excuse. No one just magically becomes fat without gross self-indulgence. No one is "incapable" of losing weight. Feed it less than it uses and your body won't have a choice. Like Agent said: simple math. And frankly, if you can't understand something as ridiculously elementary as calories in < calories burned, you have much bigger problems than your weight.

 

Oh, and props to Agent, CWM, Dids, and everyone else working on their weight without deluding themselves or railing against the "injustices" of society. Best of luck, gentlemen.

[Ripper 0]

Genes are no excuse. Being in a wheelchair is no excuse. Hell, even being paralysed from the neck down is no excuse. No one just magically becomes fat without gross self-indulgence. No one is "incapable" of losing weight. Feed it less than it uses and your body won't have a choice. Like Agent said: simple math. And frankly, if you can't understand something as ridiculously elementary as calories in < calories burned, you have much bigger problems than your weight.

Well, yeah, but you want the world to be run over by freaky stick people with big heads so I would rather see the fattys. A bunch of fat people are alot less scary than alot of really, really skinny people.

 

It reminds me of a zombie movie or something.

 

[Firestarter 0]

It reminds me of a zombie movie or something

Quiet, elf.

[Ripper 0]

It reminds me of a zombie movie or something

Quiet, elf.

Sasquatch

[Firestarter 0]

Sasquatch

Only in your dreams.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

AoO, you're open about being a smoker and it doesn't seem as though you're proud of it.

 

Instead of spending time criticising those that find it difficult to lose weight... Because let's face it, it's no easy task... Not that I can talk, but why don't you spend that time instead trying to quit smoking?

On the contrary, I love to smoke. I know it's unhealthy, I just don't care.

[Sass 0]

It reminds me of a zombie movie or something

Quiet, elf.

Sasquatch

You rang?

[Guest Goodear]

I'm 6' and probably around 245 pounds of not so much muscle but I'm still healthy in that I can still run and jump and play and all that fun crap without dying. Sure, I cannot do it for as long or as far as other people but I couldn't do that when I was in shape either so its not like I'm missing out on being this super athelete or something.

 

I think the real point I'mn trying to make here is that being heavier than the ideal (which is a nebulous concept in the first place) does not doom you to eating at McDonalds for the rest of your life and sweating all the time. People's bodies are different and some people are just lucky in the regards that they can smoke and drink and whatever and still live until they are 103 years old. Other people can work out everyday and die of a stroke in their 40s. This is the reason we get so many conflicting reports about what is good and bad for us from the medical community (whats the deal with eggs this week) on a rather scary schedule. You have to find what is balanced for your own body chemistry to live the healthiest that you can and thankfully the US is one of those countries with enough food that you can do that sort of thing.

[Damaramu 0]

There is also a big difference between being healthy(not absurdly skinny), big, fat, and obese.

I've been fat and now I just consider myself big. Never in my life though have I been obsese and never will I be.

[Guest netslob]

Wow... there are some amazingly ignorant fucking assholes posting in this thread. I'm not some P.C. hippy with his head up his ass, but I know that being fat isn't easy. People judge you more often, and more harshly, than they judge others, theres a whole slew of stereotypes and U.S. society isn't exactly modeled for your pleasure. (And it IS the society, its not some fucking built-in alarm thats geneticly implanted. Fat is considered beautiful in a number of cultures across the globe, this is also based on society.) The fact is, this is an image-obsessed society - fat people have a hard time, ugly people have a hard time, short people, bald people, etc. etc. etc. and society probably isn't going to change. Netslob - if you're going to lose weight, you have to do it for yourself. You can't do it to conform to society, you can't do it to impress some girl, you can't do it because some fucking shmuck on a wrestling forum thinks you're a bad person because of it. If you go about it like this, you're going to fizzle out and end up right back where you were, if not worse off. The fact is, being fat IS your choice, but its going to kill you. It seems like you've realized this and you're trying to do something about it. As far as girls go - just be confident in yourself. Weight matters a little, but its FAR from the biggest factor; a six-pack alone will not get a girl into bed with you. Senior year of high school, I weighed 350 pounds, I had a girlfriend who was 120 pounds after a big meal. Our personalities meshed, we had fun together, she supported me at football games and she was a good looking girl (by anyone's standards, but most importantly, by mine.) Since then, I've had a variety of experiences with girls - "fat" ones, "skinny" ones, "athletic" ones, blondes, brunettes, redheads, all while I watch "normal" people strike-out with the same girls. You just need to get to a place where you're comfortable with who you are - it sounds like I'm a fucking hippy, and it sounds like some new-age bullshit, but you really do need to "love yourself" before anyone else can love you... whether it be in the traditional sense or in the "blowing you and then making you a sandwich" sense. Don't listen to all the shit-talkers in this thread, they'll never know what its like to go through what you go through, not even other fat people will, because its your experience - not mine, not Cancer Marney's, not anyones. Look at your computer moniter, tell all the nay-sayers to fuck-off, and do whatever it takes to get happy. Thats my advice, anyway.

thank you, sir. that's the point i was trying to make through the entire thread. you've summed it up better then i ever could. kudos.

[Nighthawk 0]

No one just magically becomes fat without gross self-indulgence.

True in one sense, but there's also fat kids. Their parents will establish poor health habits from the ground up, or else allow the child, too ignorant to know better, to dictate their own choices. This, of course, doesn't render the person incapable of weight loss, but anything ingrained since childhood is quite difficult to change.

I don't have any particular disdain for fat people, but some more than others. It seems to me the ones who are usually the harshest on fat folks are the ones who used to be fat themselves, which probably shows they carried some self loathing. Which is a motivator for some, makes others fatter. You have to drop all that emotional shit and just lose weight or don't.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Which is a motivator for some, makes others fatter. You have to drop all that emotional shit and just lose weight or don't.

 

Totally. Magically, one feels better when they're in GOOD shape, too, so those problems end up fixing themselves.