Something funny about Paul London

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I think Tajiri or Jericho can be classified ahead of London, but after that, I'm racking my brain, and the company has a roster of about 70+ male wrestlers, meaning thats about 10%, meaning London is a better worker than 90% of the roster.

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Jamie Knoble

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Eh...toss up I think, mainly because I've only seen his WCW & WWE stuff and he doesn't get a lot of time to showcase anything.

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I was iffy on Jericho, I vote no on Tajiri. I haven't seen his ECW stuff, but what I've seen in the WWE bores me. Same spots over and over, lots of kicks, tarantuala, springboard elbow, mist. Enjoy.

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Check out some of Paul London's matches from Ring Of Honor and you'll be BLOWN away !!! His 42 minute match with American Dragon or his GREAT ladder match vs Michael Shane should make you a believer !!!

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I was iffy on Jericho, I vote no on Tajiri. I haven't seen his ECW stuff, but what I've seen in the WWE bores me. Same spots over and over, lots of kicks, tarantuala, springboard elbow, mist. Enjoy.

All a matter of opinion. For example, I think Kane is a good worker for a man his size, but others will say he completely sucks because he dogged the match with Edge at Backlash.

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Eh...toss up I think, mainly because I've only seen his WCW & WWE stuff and he doesn't get a lot of time to showcase anything.

Yeah, but if I had to call it I would say London. I saw Knoble's match at the ECWA Super 8 2002, and it was good technical wise. The psychology was there, never quite played upon that much, and the crowd was pretty dead. There were no real action points. Then again Knoble was working, Matt Stryker.

 

Charisma wise, hm... its tough because London has proven he could be a great heel in his series with AJ Styles in ROH, but Knoble has great body language. Its close, but I would give it to London. Knoble without his trailer gimmick would be pretty bland.

 

Paul London > Jamie Knoble.

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I think Tajiri or Jericho can be classified ahead of London

 

No way, neither are close to the level London was at by the middle of 2003. Whether it was carrying AJ Styles to the match of his lifetime, having tremendous matches every show, or having the best worldwide match in years with American Dragon, neither of these guys are close to what London was doing in mid 2003. The match Jericho and Christian had at mania is trash compared to London's 2003 body of work.

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Check out some of Paul London's matches from Ring Of Honor and you'll be BLOWN away !!! His 42 minute match with American Dragon or his GREAT ladder match vs Michael Shane should make you a believer !!!

The "ladder match" with Shane, while good, is highly overrated in my eyes, as people forget that it technically wasn't a ladder match, just a match where they used a ladder.

 

The match with AmDrag I'll agree with you on. Awesome match.

 

But Paul London's worst stuff in ROH > almost everything at Judgment Day. Seriously.

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Fucking idiot...

 

Dude... you know what's coming. Take it to Hardcore Discussion if you really have a problem with him, or refute his points properly... please?!

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Check out some of Paul London's matches from Ring Of Honor and you'll be BLOWN away !!! His 42 minute match with American Dragon or his GREAT ladder match vs Michael Shane should make you a believer !!!

The "ladder match" with Shane, while good, is highly overrated in my eyes, as people forget that it technically wasn't a ladder match, just a match where they used a ladder.

 

The match with AmDrag I'll agree with you on. Awesome match.

 

But Paul London's worst stuff in ROH > almost everything at Judgment Day. Seriously.

Except for the match where London's opponent breaks his leg a minute into the match

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Fucking idiot...

 

Dude... you know what's coming. Take it to Hardcore Discussion if you really have a problem with him, or refute his points properly... please?!

Its ok Nik, I imagine it's due to my low post count.

 

I also realize there is an EXTREME love for the indies on here and on DVDR, maybe it's just me and my "more story based" love or my Puro love, but I can think of numerous better wrestlers, some of which would be:

 

Benoit

HHH [on his good days]

Both Guerreros

HBK [when he's on the money]

Jamie Noble

Akio/Jimmy Yang

Jericho

Tajiri

Rey Mysterio

Kurt Angle [when he's on the money]

Edge [at times]

Orton [see above]

The Rock [when he's around and able to get a story before his match]

 

 

Some will disagree, but I figure most are equal if not better. If you'd like me to list reasons, I can.

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Half of those people can eliminated on a consitant basis term.

 

HHH needs good workers to have great matches. Orton needs MIRACLES like Foley, Edge needs to be carried, Chavo is iffy, and Rock plays a good talking game, but he's not the greatest worker ever. Not by a mile.

 

and he meant me about the Hardcore thing. I understand where it's coming from, but if I had to start topics for every 2 word sentence where I say something mean, I'd be flooding the board.

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HHH needs good workers to have great matches. Orton needs MIRACLES like Foley, Edge needs to be carried, Chavo is iffy, and Rock plays a good talking game, but he's not the greatest worker ever. Not by a mile

 

Sorry, I prefer a story being told in the ring, or at least a bit more of a complex story than just, "I'm Paul London, I'll play the underdog."

 

Which can sum up about 98% of his matches

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HHH needs good workers to have great matches. Orton needs MIRACLES like Foley, Edge needs to be carried, Chavo is iffy, and Rock plays a good talking game, but he's not the greatest worker ever. Not by a mile

 

Sorry, I prefer a story being told in the ring, or at least a bit more of a complex story than just, "I'm Paul London, I'll play the underdog."

 

Which can sum up about 98% of his matches

That's the booking of the writers, not the in-ring story telling. London hasn't been given anything to work with like that in the WWE.

 

You haven't seen much of his ROH work, have you?

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Another example of moronic WWE fans who don't follow anything else...

[Guest NateRizzle]

I agree with you guys, but realize that CBenoit is a regular on the ROH forum. He follows other stuff.

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I agree with you guys, but realize that CBenoit is a regular on the ROH forum. He follows other stuff.

Well if he did, he wouldn't be calling London a horrible wrestler (saying he's better than 40% of the roster means he's better than all the hosses)

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Umm.... I guess you guys know nothing of me? So you assume things huh? Way to show off the intelligence of a board.

 

I have seen about 99.9% of London's North East Coast Indy work, plus all of his ROH work.

 

Plus, I've seen tons of his puro work.

 

But, since I don't agree with general concensus, I'm labled an ignorant WWE noob mark?

 

I see.

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Sorry, I prefer a story being told in the ring, or at least a bit more of a complex story than just, "I'm Paul London, I'll play the underdog."

 

Which can sum up about 98% of his matches

 

Stop trolling with stupid statements.

 

The 2/3 falls match was deeper than any story ever told in a WWE ring, barring MAYBE Austin vs. Rock from WM X-7. The fact that you can only appreciate the matches on the level of a 7 year old doesn't mean that's the only story they tell.

 

The Paul London story is the story of an underdog babyface. He worked his way up, always coming so close to the title, and never quite winning it. However, he shows clear signs of learning in his matches throughout, sells better than anyone in North America, and always incorporates subtle stories into matches. On the flip side, he showed in a brilliant carryjob in June 2003 that he's a great heel worker too.

 

Paul London's ROH 2003 body of work smokes anyone's on the WWE roster, and he was only there for 7 months.

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Umm.... I guess you guys know nothing of me? So you assume things huh? Way to show off the intelligence of a board.

 

I have seen about 99.9% of London's North East Coast Indy work, plus all of his ROH work.

 

Plus, I've seen tons of his puro work.

 

But, since I don't agree with general concensus, I'm labled an ignorant WWE noob mark?

 

I see.

Uh.....saying that means shit. For example...

 

All Fictional incase I piss someone off:

"hey, I saw all of Samoa Joes matches in the pacific united states and in roh, and I ain't impressed."

 

Lets see.....A.) I didn't mention why I don't like him, or b.) what matches he's had outside of saying "all of them"

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Stop trolling with stupid statements.

He's not. At least you made the effort to refute the points too, though.

 

Man of... - then just let all that hate build up, and let it out in one go.

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Stop trolling with stupid statements.

 

*bangs head against wall*

 

This is without a doubt *the* most annoying thing about this board. People who say "stop trolling" to anyone who disagrees with them. It isn't "trolling", it's called "discussing" and it is the whole reason why we're here.

 

Sorry for getting off-topic, but I just had to get that off my chest.

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All a matter of opinion. For example, I think Kane is a good worker for a man his size, but others will say he completely sucks because he dogged the match with Edge at Backlash.

I find Kane insanely boring in the ring. Generic big man offense (big boot, side slam, chokeslam) combined with that crappy uppercut/throat thrust and horrible top rope clothesline and weak punches.

 

I'll admit he's impressed me lately with his acting & mic skills, but in the ring I just can't stand him.

 

Charisma wise, hm... its tough because London has proven he could be a great heel in his series with AJ Styles in ROH, but Knoble has great body language. Its close, but I would give it to London. Knoble without his trailer gimmick would be pretty bland.

How is London on the mic? Knoble cut a *great* backstage segment right before they brought in Nunzio for the cousin angle. Really showed some great emotion, and didn't use the uber-redneck accent.

 

I haven't followed his indy stuff, so the only London mic work I've heard was as "El Gran Luchador", which I obviously can't use as an accurate appraisal of his mic skills.

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London on the mic is sad... but he has great in ring charisma.