Buyrate for Judgment Day comes in LOW !!

[chaosrage 0]

Well according to some people (like everyone who blames Diesel for 95 and Shawn for 96), the world champion is all that matters.  So maybe we SHOULD blame Eddy.

Wrong. Diesel headlined EVERY PPV that year except IYH5, and they all sucked dick in the buyrate department.

 

Michaels was no better in 1996.

 

Judging ONE show Eddie headlined shouldn't be the time to pull out a crucifix. If it's consistant....then that's a different story.

Okay, so we can blame eddy, but only if he keeps it up.

 

No Way Out's buyrate was almost as shitty by the way.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Well, he wasn't champion, and the fact the show was also hyped like a WWE booker woke up that sunday and went "OMG, we have a PPV! Get some matches together".

 

Bad buyrates are the cause of three things...

 

1.) A horrible champion. By that I mean a undeserving champion, or someone the crowd couldn't give a shit about.

 

2.) Poor challengers. Lately we suffered through Hardcore Holly & Bradshaw main eventing PPV's. Bradshaw more, because Holly at least wasn't the selling match of the Rumble.

 

3.) Shitty Booking. This is probably the major factor in poor buyrates, but is not the defining factor.

 

IMO, Diesels reign had the trifecta of suck. He wasn't a good champion, he was given horrible challengers, and the booking just sucked in 1995. Michaels, on the other hand, was a good wrestler, and had great matches, but 1 great match will not save a PPV full of crap, so his major title reign was mainly the booking and who was available for PPV's. His challengers were better than Diesels, but a fresher ME British Bulldog and Mankind aren't going to sell PPV's either, but at least Bulldog had more credibility than in 1995, and actually had a real feud, instead of being thrown into the title scene 3 weeks before the PPV.

 

Eddie right now is suffering from 2 and 3. His challengers have included The Dudley Boyz & Bradshaw. Plus the fact EVERY PPV feud he's had was based on Racism. So it's not REALL his fault...yet, but everything else is dragging him down.

[Guest wrestlingbs]

I wonder if this will finally change their mind about giving Bradshaw ANOTHER PPV main event.

[chaosrage 0]

Well, he wasn't champion, and the fact the show was also hyped like a WWE booker woke up that sunday and went "OMG, we have a PPV! Get some matches together".

 

Bad buyrates are the cause of three things...

 

1.) A horrible champion. By that I mean a undeserving champion, or someone the crowd couldn't give a shit about.

 

2.) Poor challengers. Lately we suffered through Hardcore Holly & Bradshaw main eventing PPV's. Bradshaw more, because Holly at least wasn't the selling match of the Rumble.

 

3.) Shitty Booking. This is probably the major factor in poor buyrates, but is not the defining factor.

 

IMO, Diesels reign had the trifecta of suck. He wasn't a good champion, he was given horrible challengers, and the booking just sucked in 1995. Michaels, on the other hand, was a good wrestler, and had great matches, but 1 great match will not save a PPV full of crap, so his major title reign was mainly the booking and who was available for PPV's. His challengers were better than Diesels, but a fresher ME British Bulldog and Mankind aren't going to sell PPV's either, but at least Bulldog had more credibility than in 1995, and actually had a real feud, instead of being thrown into the title scene 3 weeks before the PPV.

 

Eddie right now is suffering from 2 and 3. His challengers have included The Dudley Boyz & Bradshaw. Plus the fact EVERY PPV feud he's had was based on Racism. So it's not REALL his fault...yet, but everything else is dragging him down.

Thank you, finally. That's what I've been saying for months. You have to look at more than just who the champion is.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

This PPV isn't just bad, but it's the lowest drawing WWE PPV in history.

 

http://www.shareholder.com/wwe/downloads/K...nessDrivers.pdf

[Guest Trivia247]

Smackdown is getting so Thunder esque in how its sinking even its PPV's are feeling that way

[Guest croweater]

Well according to some people (like everyone who blames Diesel for 95 and Shawn for 96), the world champion is all that matters.  So maybe we SHOULD blame Eddy.

Wrong. Diesel headlined EVERY PPV that year except IYH5, and they all sucked dick in the buyrate department.

 

Michaels was no better in 1996.

 

Judging ONE show Eddie headlined shouldn't be the time to pull out a crucifix. If it's consistant....then that's a different story.

Okay, so we can blame eddy, but only if he keeps it up.

 

No Way Out's buyrate was almost as shitty by the way.

 

 

Royal Rumble: Deisel vs. Bret Hart :1.00

 

Wrestle Mania: Deisel vs. Shawn Michaels (remember kidies, SM was still (in my eyes at least) a mid carder back here) 1.35

 

IYH 1: Deisel vs. Sid: 0.80

 

 

KOTR: Deisle and BBB vs. Tatanka and Sid :0.65

 

IYH 2: Deisel vs. Sid: 0.70

 

SS: Deisel vs. Mabel: 0.95

 

IYH (can't remember the name but it was a part of WINTER COMBAT): Deisel vs. British Bulldog: 0.65

 

 

Survivor Series: Deisel vs. Bret Hart.0.57

 

 

 

Out of his 7 PPV defences 2 were against mid carders, 2 were against Bret Hart, and 2 were against Sid. The only good match out of the bunch of them was the WM match and the Survivpr series one, the rest were DUD's- * and had no real story or angle involved in them

 

So, while Deisel is to blame partially, so is Sid and Mable.

 

It is obvious from this however that the true drawing power of the main event can only really be seen in the non-big 5 PPV's as people tend to buy them anyway.

[Michrome 0]

Blaming Eddy...wow, what a gem. Try checking out the weekly observer ratings numbers for Guerrero, he's the only thing keeping the show from sinking to Thunder levels.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

When Nash and Micheals were Champion, Bret was still the biggest draw in the company. Eddie is the biggest draw on SmackDown by a mile.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

When Nash and Micheals were Champion, Bret was still the biggest draw in the company. Eddie is the biggest draw on SmackDown by a mile.

The problem is he has no opponent people care about, or that can draw ratings.

 

Booker T is still Takers bitch. UT is a face who makes sparce appearences. RVD is a face who couldn't care less anymore about WWE. Bradshaw sucks. And that's it.

[AndrewTS 0]

Blaming Eddy...wow, what a gem. Try checking out the weekly observer ratings numbers for Guerrero, he's the only thing keeping the show from sinking to Thunder levels.

So, you're expecting Vince to use logic here?

 

Remember how they put the belt on Jericho, never pushed him except for when he faced Rock at the Rumble, and he still drew damn well under the circumstances? He also outdrew HHH during that lousy face run.

 

However, guess who never came near the main event since and guess who was champion almost the entirety of 2002....with a major push the entire time.

 

Throw logic out the window here. The obvious problem is that Bradshaw hasn't been pushed and developed enough. Got it?

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

When Nash and Micheals were Champion, Bret was still the biggest draw in the company. Eddie is the biggest draw on SmackDown by a mile.

The problem is he has no opponent people care about, or that can draw ratings.

 

Booker T is still Takers bitch. UT is a face who makes sparce appearences. RVD is a face who couldn't care less anymore about WWE. Bradshaw sucks. And that's it.

Yeah, he's really the only regular Main Eventer on that brand, and the only thing resembling a draw. Micheals and Nash usually had Bret to help them out. Eddie is the lone draw on a Brand treated as the B-Show, with one of the weakest rosters in recent WWE history and not a credible challenger in sight. At least Bulldog, Sid and even Mabel(because of the KOTR win) had a shred of credibility, JBL has been a career Lower Card Tag Team wrestler who's biggest win to date is against SmackDown's JTTS, Rey Mysterio.

[chaosrage 0]

When Nash and Micheals were Champion, Bret was still the biggest draw in the company. Eddie is the biggest draw on SmackDown by a mile.

 

When Michaels was champion, Bret wasn't even there.

 

As for Diesel, just look at the numbers for Diesel/Shawn at WM compared to Bret/Shawn a year later. And Diesel/Bulldog compared to Bret/Bulldog a couple months later.

[iggymcfly 0]

What I'd like to know is how long it's REALLY been since a WWE PPV's drawn as low as JD just did for Smackdown. It must be at least 1997 or 1998.

 

Oh, and I think I figured out what the message from the Torch was saying. It was saying the last major PPV that drew that low was in February 2001, since that was the last time WCW put on a PPV. They weren't talking about No Way Out. Judgment Day was just barely outdrawing Greed.

[Hektik 0]

As for Diesel, just look at the numbers for Diesel/Shawn at WM compared to Bret/Shawn a year later. 

Nash/Michaels wasn't even the main event on that PPV, it was Lawrence Taylor/Bam Bam Bigelow. It got the most hype going in to the event and even went on last.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Maybe this will convince them to change some of the programs in time for GAB...

[chaosrage 0]

As for Diesel, just look at the numbers for Diesel/Shawn at WM compared to Bret/Shawn a year later. 

Nash/Michaels wasn't even the main event on that PPV, it was Lawrence Taylor/Bam Bam Bigelow. It got the most hype going in to the event and even went on last.

That's like saying Hogan/Rock wasn't the main event of WMX8. Nobody cared about Taylor and Bam Bam. This was the world title match. It was the main event.

[chaosrage 0]

What I'd like to know is how long it's REALLY been since a WWE PPV's drawn as low as JD just did for Smackdown. It must be at least 1997 or 1998.

 

Oh, and I think I figured out what the message from the Torch was saying. It was saying the last major PPV that drew that low was in February 2001, since that was the last time WCW put on a PPV. They weren't talking about No Way Out. Judgment Day was just barely outdrawing Greed.

Well No Way Out had 250,000 buys and Meltzer said that was a .46. JD only pulled in 200,000 so it could be the worst WWE buyrate ever.

[Guest Black Lightning]

As for Diesel, just look at the numbers for Diesel/Shawn at WM compared to Bret/Shawn a year later. 

Nash/Michaels wasn't even the main event on that PPV, it was Lawrence Taylor/Bam Bam Bigelow. It got the most hype going in to the event and even went on last.

That's like saying Hogan/Rock wasn't the main event of WMX8. Nobody cared about Taylor and Bam Bam. This was the world title match. It was the main event.

Erm.....it wasn't the main event; it was an attraction match. Jericho/HHH was the main event, hence getting the main event placement on the card.

 

Same with Taylor/Bam Bam. It got the main event spot, thus was considered the main event.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

As for Diesel, just look at the numbers for Diesel/Shawn at WM compared to Bret/Shawn a year later. 

Nash/Michaels wasn't even the main event on that PPV, it was Lawrence Taylor/Bam Bam Bigelow. It got the most hype going in to the event and even went on last.

That's like saying Hogan/Rock wasn't the main event of WMX8. Nobody cared about Taylor and Bam Bam. This was the world title match. It was the main event.

Erm.....is wasn't the main event; it was an attraction match. Jericho/HHH was the main event, hence getting the main event placement on the card.

 

Same with Taylor/Bam Bam. It got the main event spot, thus was considered the main event.

Wrong. The Main event is the match that the promotion builds the show around. IIRC, the ONLY comemrcials for WM hyped HOGAN vs. THE ROCK, and it was hyped like a dream match any chance they could, even on EXCESS. HHH/Jericho got zero build up.

 

Another example is Survivor Series 1992. Bret/HBK was NOT the real mian event. Just because it ends the show doesn't make it that.

 

Old SNME's ended with matches like Rougeaus/Bushwackers in 1989, while the World Title/Main Events happend in the middle of the show.

 

So saying the last match is the automatic main event is a steaming pile of horse shit.

[Dark Age 0]

My solution?

 

Eddie drops the belt to Bradshaw at GAB. Bradshaw goes into a feud with Taker, leading into a thrilling SummerSlam main event of Bradshaw vs Taker. Taker goes over and feuds with Mordecai. Mordecai and Taker exchange the WWE Title for the rest of the year. Eddie reunites with Chavo for a feud with the Basham Brothers.

 

WWE IS SAVED!

[chaosrage 0]

BBCW is on a roll today. 100% right again.

[Dark Age 0]

I think I was right as well with my solution to save SmackDown! The money's gonna be rolling in.

[Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0]

Blaming Eddy...wow, what a gem.  Try checking out the weekly observer ratings numbers for Guerrero, he's the only thing keeping the show from sinking to Thunder levels.

So, you're expecting Vince to use logic here?

 

Remember how they put the belt on Jericho, never pushed him except for when he faced Rock at the Rumble, and he still drew damn well under the circumstances? He also outdrew HHH during that lousy face run.

 

However, guess who never came near the main event since and guess who was champion almost the entirety of 2002....with a major push the entire time.

 

Throw logic out the window here. The obvious problem is that Bradshaw hasn't been pushed and developed enough. Got it?

How can you tell he was drawing well? Jericho was not pushed during his title reign. He wrestled the Royal Rumble which draws because of the Rumble and the return of HHH. No Way Out was about the nWo returning and Austin was not going to win the belt. Jericho was not a credible champion because during those two PPV's he did not win cleanly.

 

Eddie should not be blamed. The company should be blamed.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Wrong. The Main event is the match that the promotion builds the show around

 

So you're saying Vince / Steph was the main event of No Mercy last year?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Wrong. The Main event is the match that the promotion builds the show around

 

So you're saying Vince / Steph was the main event of No Mercy last year?

I hate to say it, but yes. Now I must scoop my eyes out with a rusty spoon for even watching that PPV.

[Hektik 0]

Wrong. The Main event is the match that the promotion builds the show around

 

So you're saying Vince / Steph was the main event of No Mercy last year?

Yes, just like McMahon/Gowen was the main event for Vengeance. The Hogan/Rock and Hogan/McMahon matches main evented WM 18 and 19. At Bad Blood it won't matter if Benoit/Kane goes on last because the HHH/Michaels ego fuck will get the most promotion going into the event. It doesn't matter what goes on last, its what gets the most promotion going into the event.

[ZGangsta 0]

About that No Way Out 2001 buyrate.

I've checked around and all the numbers I've seen have these numbers listed

 

Summer Slam '01 1.32

InVasion '01 1.63

King Of The Ring '01 0.96

Judgment Day '01 0.84

Backlash '01 0.90

WrestleMania XVII 2.18

No Way Out '01 1.6

Royal Rumble '01 1.35

Armageddon '00 1.15

Survivor Series '00 1.0

No Mercy '00 1.35

Unforgiven '00 1.5

Summer Slam '00 1.4

 

Now I don't know what that tranlates to in total number of buys, but it's pretty damn high compared to the other PPVs around it so I doubt the PPV market could have fluctuated enough for just that one month to account for th low number of buys that keeps getting tossed around

 

And yeah, NWO 01 was a damn fine show.

[humongous2002 0]

Blaming Eddy...wow, what a gem.  Try checking out the weekly observer ratings numbers for Guerrero, he's the only thing keeping the show from sinking to Thunder levels.

So, you're expecting Vince to use logic here?

 

Remember how they put the belt on Jericho, never pushed him except for when he faced Rock at the Rumble, and he still drew damn well under the circumstances? He also outdrew HHH during that lousy face run.

 

However, guess who never came near the main event since and guess who was champion almost the entirety of 2002....with a major push the entire time.

 

Throw logic out the window here. The obvious problem is that Bradshaw hasn't been pushed and developed enough. Got it?

How can you tell he was drawing well? Jericho was not pushed during his title reign. He wrestled the Royal Rumble which draws because of the Rumble and the return of HHH. No Way Out was about the nWo returning and Austin was not going to win the belt. Jericho was not a credible champion because during those two PPV's he did not win cleanly.

 

Eddie should not be blamed. The company should be blamed.

WWE and JBL should get the blame, one for being stupid and the other for being untalented.