More Left Wing LIES

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

that despite Bush not being the best debater in the world

 

This is like saying that Strom Thurmond isn't exactly the most living person in the world.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I remember when Gore looked like he was about to fucking bum rush Bush during one of the debates. That rocked.

 

I miss the 2000 election. It was fun. This year's just boring.

 

Seriously, Bush has got to be one of the most polarizing Presidents ever, with multitudes of anti-Bush groups popping up and such, while people pop up to support him on the other side. You'd think that Kerry could ride that anti-Bush sentiment to a victory, but I look at the guy and listen to him and I know I'll vote for him, but only because he's the most viable alternative. He hasn't captured my attention at all, and just looking at the guy makes me feel bored. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason this'll be close is for the same reason I'm voting for Kerry, and that's that people will take the alternative, no matter how un-electrifying it is.

 

Well, that and most of the states have already pretty much dialed in who's winning them.

 

(plans a write-in vote for Dean)

[BX 0]

You can never win.

 

If a candidate is too dry, you'd ask for him to develop some charisma.

 

If he has charisma, you call him crazy.

 

What do you want Kerry to do, make donkey animal ballons?

[Art Sandusky 0]

I never call any candidate crazy. Those are the people who don't expect entertainment from their government.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

You want an exciting candidate? pick one of these guys!

 

Sterling D. Allan (Utah) - Sterling Allan jumped into the Libertarian Presidential contest in October 2003. One month later, he exited the LP contest and entered the race for the Constitution Party nomination. Then -- realizing that the CP had more or less already settled on a nominee of its own -- Allan announced three weeks later that he would be the nominee of a new party he was founding named the New Awakening Party (but he'd still welcome the CP nomination). Then again, he doesn't seem entirely settled on the party's ultimate name, as the header of the web page for that entity read for a while: "New Awakening Party (or whatever name we end up choosing for it)." Well, the new name became the Providential Party. It remains to be seen, however, whether Allan will: (1) obtain ballot status anywhere; and (2) obtain ballot status as an Independent or under the party banner. Allan -- a former activist in Independent American Party of Utah (and an IAP nominee for State House in 1990) -- could essentially be described as a theocratic candidate. Of course, that would be within his own vision of what God is mandating as a self-described "Davidic Servant." From his various campaign websites (linked above and below), Allan is dedicated to establishing "Zion", which he defines as "the gospel and government of God working in harmony for the improvement and sanctification of all things. The kingdom of heaven on earth." As for his political views, he explains: "I agree with most of the Republican platform, to which the party gives but lip service, while their actions bespeak more of a move toward a cradle-to-grave socialist state." Where he gets a bit ... umm ... different is when he wrote that his own 2004 candidacy was "foretold in Alphabetics Bible Code." Born and raised as a Mormon, the LDS Church excommunicated Allan for "apostasy" (extremist beliefs related to his religious writings) in 1993. Since then, he has devoted nearly all his time to working to create his vision of God's Kingdom on Earth (and he also sells survivalist emergency supplies online). He also maintains that his election is essential to avoid the coming of World War III. See his various sites for more information: SterlingDAllan.com (personal site), Patriot Saints for the Kingdom of God on Earth (Allan's organization), GreaterThings.com (another Allan organization), RemnantSaints.com (another Allan organization), the Remnant Saints Inter-Continental Congress (another Allan organization), the International Patriot Alliance (another Allan organization), JosephPrep.com (Allan's company), and many, many more. FYI: He wrote that the reason he quit the Libertarian contest was because of the LP's "stance on social issues and lack of acknowledgement that a group of people willfully united takes on a life of its own and has rights." Allan also intends to seek the Presidential "endorsement" of the the US Independent American Party, Constitution Party, and other conservative parties in order to run as a "fusion" candidate. Amusingly, Allan's campaign chairman sent us an email explaining that we should recognize Allan as a real party nominee and not as an Independent candidate: "Please don't treat his campaign like the campaign of Joe Bellis, Da Vid, and Bob Dorn (independents who make-up a party) and group him with those weirdos. Please give him and his VP (who will be announced by Jan 15) the same treatment" as other nominees of established parties. We'll respond to that note with a polite: "No comment."

 

Jack Grimes (Pennsylvania) - Jack Grimes -- who previously ran for President as a write-in candidate in 2000 -- bills himself as the "Leader and Director of the United Fascist Union." As for his use of the word "Fascist," Grimes explains he wants to restore a New World Order based upon the governmental style of Imperial Rome "to institute a military dictatorship form of government over the Earth." Grimes believes that "the psychic is the next great step in the evolution of humankind on this planet." And it gets more weird: Grimes wants to address "the dilemmas now facing America and the whole of Western civilization: Democracy, Christianity, International Capitalism, Earth Changes, U.F.O.'s, government cover-ups, and others." Citing to Cayce and Nostradamus, Grimes predicts that "the United States will be reduced from its present size to a small triangular-shaped land mass through the loss of many of its coastal states." While those quotes come from his old 2000 campaign site, his 2004 is equally entertaining. Be sure to visit the "Pictures" page to view Grimes and his girlfriend (presumably) posing in their homemade black uniforms ... and to view pictures of them eating at different local restaurants. Or visit the "Speeches" page to read Grimes' 1998 remarks delivered to the "Flying Saucer Society of Dover, DE." Best of all is the Discussion Boards section of his site, in which Grimes exalts his followers to worship Satan -- plus you can read about the problem he was having getting to a campaign event in another state (because Mom's car was broken, etc.). While Grimes failed to achieve ballot status in any states in 2000, he falsely boasts on his site that he was on the ballot in 45 states and placed 6th in the race.

 

Muadin (Massachusetts) - Muadin -- yup, he just uses one name -- is an announced write-in candidate for President. His slogan is a New Age-sounding mantra of "One People, One Planet, One Awareness." Muadin writes he is the candidate of the "E-Democratic Party" -- an unknown entity which he apparently created. What does he stand for? Here are his own words: "The people of earth must use the Internet to network and organize at the grassroots level, outside of the corporate global power structure, in a leaderless revolution of awareness and ideas, a second enlightenment, aimed at establishing e-democracy at every level of human government and in every aspect of human society and affairs. The e-democratic spirit of this leaderless cyber-revolution must culminate in a planetary e-democratic federal government through which all executive, legislative, judicial, and economic power ultimately rests directly in the hands of the people of earth." This focus includes is a requirement that Congressmen and US Senators must vote based upon e-votes on each issue cast by their constitutuents -- and that the federal government be changed from three branches into five branches (don't ask!). Other positions in his platform include a 10% flat tax, abolition of the death penalty, a constitutional ban on political parties (so all candidates must run as Independents), federal term limits, separate national election of the Vice President, repeal of the Second Amendment (gun rights) ... in fact, when we last checked, Muadin was proposing 18 constitutional amendments. If you dig through Muadin's off-beat campaign site, you can also find pix of Muadin badly cropped into poses in the White House ... and a picture of "future First Lady" Jessica Muadin (who, unlike her husband, has a full name). Muadin describes himself as a motivational speaker and President of the Planet Pilgrims Center for E-Democracy and Planetary Awareness.

 

Lawrence Rey Topham (Utah) - Larry Topham -- who declares on his campaign site that his "favorite food" is "wheat" -- is the quintessential perennial candidate. Over the past 28 years, Topham has run for Salt Lake City Mayor (1995, 1999, 2003), US Senate (1994), Salt Lake City Council (1993), Utah Governor (1992, 1988), Congress (1990), and President (1976, 1996, 2000) -- and there are probably more that we missed, as he sometimes runs as a write-in candidate. And, over those years, he has run as both an Independent and as a nominee of various third parties. Topham is also a bit eccentric. A 68-year-old retiree, he is a zealous advocate of returning the US to the gold standard -- and he refuses to recognize the validity of the dollars (Federal Reserve Notes) currently in use as they are backed by neither silver nor gold. In a 1998 incident, he entered the closed Utah Capitol building near midnight by falsely telling a guard that he worked there. When police officers later found him in the rest room, Topham claimed to be the Secretary of State and declared he was there to seize the Capitol. He was arrested by use of pepper spray, according to court documents. At other times, Topham has declared various officeholders illegitimate, claiming they either didn't properly file their oath of office certificates or didn't pay their filing fees with gold or silver. Topham still persists with these claims, as his 2004 Presidential site declares Topham is currently the "Secretary of State of the State of Utah and Acting Governor during martial law." In fact, Topham apparently declared martial law in Utah in November 1997 because everyone is using that "fake" money not backed by gold/silver -- which, he declared, now makes him the Governor of Utah. Further, "Governor" Topham has decreed that anyone who works to elect any candidate he deems an unauthorized candidate (i.e., just about every candidate who qualifies for the ballot) is "participating in an unofficial election to overthrow the constitutional government of the State of Utah and its counties and is forbidden by law, and may well be an act of treason." Amusingly, "Secretary of State" Topham even regularly issues his own certificate of official election results (note: candidates named Topham won 4 out the top 8 ballot offices in his 2002 certificate). In addition to the above-linked campaign site, other Topham sites include: Topham for Governor 2004, About Truth, Freedom, Zion, and the The Constition, Topham for President Blog, Topham for President Blog #2, Official Office of Lawrence Rey Topham, Acting Utah Governor, State of Utah, Secretary of State Lawrence Rey Topham, 2002 A.D., and The Constitution: Sound. A related link: Salt Lake City Weekly: Larry Topham's Patriot Games.

 

Topham for President!

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I think BX brought the most to this thread.

This changes the dynamics of everything.

[Guest Cerebus]

I miss the 2000 election. It was fun. This year's just boring.

 

That's really because SNL rocked during 2000 (Darrel Hammond's Al Gore anyone?) but it sucks a donkey's left nut nowadays.

 

You can never win.

 

If a candidate is too dry, you'd ask for him to develop some charisma.

 

If he has charisma, you call him crazy.

 

I'll assume you're talking about Dean? In which case, he didn't have charisma, the guy was a loudmouth with a brilliant, but overzealous, campaign manager. They made a campaign that was too far ahead of its time (though they certainly deserve credit for breaking a whole lot of new ground when it comes to campaigning).

[C Dubya 04 0]

In regards to Kerry not being charismatic, I think that it just comes off poorly on tv. I went to a fund raiser where he spoke to maybe 300 young professionals and he was very good. It was easy to like him and get behind what he was saying. I can't figure out why that side doesn't come across on tv.

[Guest Cerebus]

In regards to Kerry not being charismatic, I think that it just comes off poorly on tv. I went to a fund raiser where he spoke to maybe 300 young professionals and he was very good. It was easy to like him and get behind what he was saying. I can't figure out why that side doesn't come across on tv.

Ditto for Bush. I saw him speak at Stamford a couple months ago and I really liked him. No Bush-isms, and the guy looks a lot more impressive in person than on television.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

If I decide against voting for Kerry and running for the nearest toilet, Muadin's my man.

[Guest thebigjig]

So... it's okay for Mike to be sarcastic and ultra partisan in his thread titles...

 

but if someone else does it... it's trolling?

[snuffbox 0]

So... it's okay for Mike to be sarcastic and ultra partisan in his thread titles...

 

but if someone else does it... it's trolling?

Yes....

 

And its even more amusing to read when you consider that Mikey is like 35 years old or something.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Wait a minute, wasn't Muadin the hero in Dune?

[Art Sandusky 0]

Eh, SNL being good in 2000 wasn't interesting so much as the candidates themselves providing plenty of fodder for people to talk about. This year, all anyone can really say about Kerry is that he's Bush's opponent and he got Botox.

[Guest MikeSC]

So... it's okay for Mike to be sarcastic and ultra partisan in his thread titles...

 

but if someone else does it... it's trolling?

Yes....

 

And its even more amusing to read when you consider that Mikey is like 35 years old or something.

Isn't it trolling when somebody does nothing but post crap like this? Good lord, can you bring a little content once in a while?

-=Mike

[snuffbox 0]

So... it's okay for Mike to be sarcastic and ultra partisan in his thread titles...

 

but if someone else does it... it's trolling?

Yes....

 

And its even more amusing to read when you consider that Mikey is like 35 years old or something.

Isn't it trolling when somebody does nothing but post crap like this? Good lord, can you bring a little content once in a while?

-=Mike

Trolls...

 

Kill Em All! Nuke em!

 

-=Mike

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well I laughed at the thread's title.

 

I guess I should mention that when the Anti-Christ was running for Senator of NY she had her travel expenses paid for because she was First Lady.

 

Nah, I won't bother -- I hate the whole "Well the other side did it" tactic of posting...

Not to mention the fact that that logic implictly states that Bush is no better (nay, is perhaps even worse when you consider his "free time" is longer and at an even more dire time) then Clinton, which would lead any liberal here to get absolutly flamed for saying outright.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

I think Kerry could beat Bush in a spelling bee though.

Screw voting, let's decide elections this way.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I think Kerry could beat Bush in a spelling bee though.

Screw voting, let's decide elections this way.

I think we should just pick people on the streets at random and let them be President for one day.

 

It would be interesting to watch our policy shift on a day-by-day basis depending on who gets to be the lucky person. Also means a lot more minorites in the big chair than we've got going now.

[NYU 0]

But then we face the risk of a Polish person running the country for a day.

 

Is that really a chance you're willing to take?

[Guest Cerebus]

So... it's okay for Mike to be sarcastic and ultra partisan in his thread titles...

 

but if someone else does it... it's trolling?

That's precisely what I"m saying. Only Mike may troll. Go about your buisness.