One And Only 6/2 PPV Thread

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

The reason for Jarrett being on top of the card is justified.

How exactly is it justified to have him ALWAYS be at the top of the card? Because he's been on the downside of his career for the last 3 years? Because he hasn't had a good match with a lesser opponent in years as well.

 

all this spouting of Jarrett isn't a proven draw.

Jarrett could draw flies to shit. He hasn't his whole career and he won't start now.

 

 

Saying he holds down talent and he is pushed due to family ties is pure speculation and just plain ignorant. And shouldn't be spouted as fact, like it pretty much is around here.

But speculating that he isn't pushed because of his family is alright though.....right?

 

though, having Raven or Jarrett as champ going into TV was probably the way to go. The two most credible guys on the roster.

Why? Wouldn't TNA wanna come off as something innovative and new? Instead of being the wrestling on FSN that when people tune in and see Raven or JJ they wouldn't say "Those guys used to be in the WWF" as opposed as using someone like AJ who would be a totally fresh style of wrestler to people who have never seen TNA before(aka, marks and people who generally watch WWE)

 

or me personally, i think it is better that Raven hasn't had a run yet... they should build up his win (not that they haven't for a year and a half) and feud with the champion more.. to make it mean more special.

I agree with this, but they really should have done this when they built it up the first time. Since they did it that way, it will simply be overdue when or if Raven does win the title......

[Mecha Mummy 0]

And he was also jobbing to Jeff Hardy on Heat not much more than a year ago, and never really had the same exposure as Jarrett. They both have baggage.

See, here's the difference. Yes, Raven got shit. But at the same time, the man has a fanbase, one far bigger than what Jarrett has. Hell, if memory serves, Heat's ratings went up when Raven was doing the masterpeice angle.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

And let's not forget: Jeff Hardy had more credibility than Chyna, even when Jeff was on coke and about to be fired.

 

No matter how you look at it, the title should not have gone to Jarrett. Yes, it is his company...your point? As stated previously in this thread, even Verne Gagne had the common sense to not put the World title on Greg. Hell, I'll try to justify Jarrett being World champion.

 

-A former multiple-time holder of the WCW World title.

-A former WWF Intercontinental champion (several reigns).

-Was a big name in the old Memphis territory of the late 80's and early 90's.

-Routinely has **1/2-***1/2 matches.

 

Reasons why he shouldn't, you ask?

 

-Already held the belt twice before this third reign.

-Is always the focus of the show, even when not champion.

-Has never put anybody over clean. NEVER.

-Is the head booker of the promotion.

-Has never had a match in the last four years over ***1/2.

-His last title reign was during a time when the vast majority of TNA's fanbase tuned out, even those in Nashville.

-His gimmick has not changed at all since 1999.

-Has booked himself as Superman Jesus the wrestler, where nobody can defeat him unless they cheat in some way.

-Has the SAME match every week out, regardless of his opponent.

 

Now, Jarrett in 2002? I loved that title reign. Why? Because he was fresh, he took a slight turn from the "Don't Piss Me Off" character in WCW, and was just a bad motherfucker that also backed it up in the ring. The turning point really was when he didn't job to Raven on April 30th, 2003, as it made NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

[Guest MikeSC]

And he was also jobbing to Jeff Hardy on Heat not much more than a year ago, and never really had the same exposure as Jarrett. They both have baggage.

You assume people actually CARE about that. JJ jobbed to Chyna. JJ helped bury WCW. Yet, HE gets shot after shot at being the top guy in TNA --- in spite of the buyrates being miserable and live attendance being laughable.

There's no real point going into it, since it's not going to change your opinion of Jarrett and it'll just go around in circles. Suffice to say, I've tried to show TNA to casual fans for two years, and without name value at the top, it's very hard to get them interested. Go in with Styles or Killings as total unknowns (as they are to many casual fans), and they will go nowhere - and just look at Killings' first title reign as an example. Go in with a name, build them up as challengers to him, and then they can get somewhere.

Where in the heck did the myth that JJ is a "name" get started? JJ is NOT a name. People wouldn't know him from a hole in the ground. Why not keep soembody on top who can at least wow people with some nifty spots?

Killings has gone from chants of "over-rated" to being one of the most over guys in the company. So yeah, it has worked quite well. Now's there a chance to do it all over again.

Killings is INFINITELY more over than JJ has been in TNA to date.

Nobody on the roster is a proven draw, except maybe Dusty, but lets not go there. So why is the reasoning, or i am guessing the reasoning TNA use so hard to believe in that Jarrett, who is probably the most credible guy on the roster should be the number 1 guy, so hard to believe..?

Nobody might be a proven draw --- but JJ is a PROVEN non-draw. He's been #1 in TNA for the better part of its EXISTENCE.

Saying he holds down talent and he is pushed due to family ties is pure speculation and just plain ignorant. And shouldn't be spouted as fact, like it pretty much is around here.

His daddy runs the company. He's the head booker. The math isn't that hard...

Plus, for me personally, i think it is better that Raven hasn't had a run yet... they should build up his win (not that they haven't for a year and a half) and feud with the champion more.. to make it mean more special.

Jesus, how much more build-up is needed?

 

And it's sad, since Raven has sucked pretty hard for a while.

-=Mike

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

The turning point really was when he didn't job to Raven on April 30th, 2003, as it made NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

This was the point that I was making earlier. No matter if they make Raven a champion it won't be as great as it would have been if they would have given it too him then. It is simply overdue now, and if he would win it would mean nothing AT ALL unless they build to it over months and months. This could hurt them overall though because NOBODY wants to see JJ hold the title for that long anyways.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

I'm not going to add much to this discussion, I'll be honest. I don't like Jarrett as champ. I don't think I've ever liked Jarrett. Since he was Double J-e-Double F J-A-Double R-E-Double T in the early nineties. I even quit watching WCW because he showed up. I'm not the only one, as everyone in my family that watches wrestling (Tennessee Hillbillies, mind you) hates Jeff Jarrett.

 

My point is, they should've let Killings keep the Title or give it to Raven so he can finally say he's fulfilled his destiny. What a great way to start out Impact!, have Raven go on about how he's fulfilled his destiny at last, blah blah, and have someone take offense to it (Without anyone being hit by a guitar. Seriously.). That would be a great way to start off the new show. Now it's just Jarrett running his company with himself in the top spot. I now wait for Shane McMahon to beat Eddy Guerrero.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I find it hilarious how I keep hearing that they wanted JJ to have the title going in to Impact. But why? Why wouldn't they want a built up an extra hyped NWA Title match for the debut instead? Simple, because TNA doesn't know how to draw or garner some interest for their cards. Out of everything they have done they have NEVER had a correctly built up show besides the x-cup stuff and the first Raven/JJ match that was suppost to fufill Raven's "destiny". This is the primary reason why the company hasn't taken off yet, because they haven't been able to get the "lighting in a bottle" effect with anything they've done to date.

[Guest Donners]

The turning point really was when he didn't job to Raven on April 30th, 2003, as it made NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

The fact that Raven didn't have a contract and wanted more money is a pretty damned good reason.

 

I would say another advantage of having Jarrett as champ is that you can be sure he won't have contract problems like that.

 

 

-Is always the focus of the show, even when not champion.

 

There was a period over the last month or so where he wasn't on TV or even mentioned at all. I daresay a lot of his over-exposure is simply a conservative measure by the bookers - they know he's the only person they can really rely on to stick with the company.

 

 

-Has never had a match in the last four years over ***1/2.

 

And how many others in TNA have in singles matches?

 

 

-His last title reign was during a time when the vast majority of TNA's fanbase tuned out, even those in Nashville.

 

That was a bad period overall for TNA shows. Smackdown is rating quite poorly - is it because Eddie is champ, or is the rest of the show hurting it? I don't think it's possible to place all or even much of the blame on one guy.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

The turning point really was when he didn't job to Raven on April 30th, 2003, as it made NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

The fact that Raven didn't have a contract and wanted more money is a pretty damned good reason.

 

I would say another advantage of having Jarrett as champ is that you can be sure he won't have contract problems like that.

True, that is an advantage...but there are others that wouldn't leave TNA, and better yet? They're there because they want to be and the pay is good, not because daddy runs the company.

-Is always the focus of the show, even when not champion.

 

There was a period over the last month or so where he wasn't on TV or even mentioned at all. I daresay a lot of his over-exposure is simply a conservative measure by the bookers - they know he's the only person they can really rely on to stick with the company.

Gimme a good reason why he's champion. Not just "he'll definitely be with the company."

-Has never had a match in the last four years over ***1/2.

 

And how many others in TNA have in singles matches?

AJ Styles has had 4 (2 vs. LowKi, 1 vs. Jerry Lynn, 1 vs. D'Lo Brown). LowKi/Truth was ****. Both Lynn/Truth bouts were about ***3/4-****. To be truthful? TNA's best matches came from tag bouts and multi-man (3 or more) X-Division matches.

-His last title reign was during a time when the vast majority of TNA's fanbase tuned out, even those in Nashville.

 

That was a bad period overall for TNA shows. Smackdown is rating quite poorly - is it because Eddie is champ, or is the rest of the show hurting it? I don't think it's possible to place all or even much of the blame on one guy.

But Eddie isn't the complete focus of every SmackDown. Jarrett was the complete focus of every TNA during the Dirty Dutch era. The booking was solid enough for the fans to stick with it should the workers stay interesting, but Jarrett was boring as hell in his role. So tell me another one.

[Guest JacK]

Bah. It's ridiculous. What the hell was the point of taking the belt off him in the first place? Hell, what the hell was the point giving it to Truth for a week? Did they want to be able to go 'look two time champions'?

 

By the end of Jarrett's last reign I was begging for the title to come off him . . . every title match I was like 'come on lose it!' But now . . . I'm like fuck this shit. And I refuse to buy their DVD's til Jarrett loses the belt . . . cleanly too that'd be something.

 

There is no point giving him the belt back. Name recognition - that's crap. Not many people are going to go 'Oooh Jarrett let's watch it's gotta be good!' And in any event, will the fact that Jarrett's the champ make any difference? Will they go 'OMFG IT's JEFF JAR- oh wait he's not the champ BAH fuck that off!'

And if you say people like Truth and AJ are unknowns . . . well what better way to make them known to have them as the established champ going in?

Bottom line is people who are going to tune in looking for Raven or Jarrett will do so whether they're the champs or not - same for all the other names that've been thrown around.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

JacK, you hit the nail on the head. It doesn't matter if Jarrett is champ or not, because the people that know him will see him on the show and probably watch anyways (assuming they're a fan of his).

 

Hey, Mike, I wonder what Double J from TNS is saying right now, since even HE said that he didn't want Jarrett to regain the belt for a while.

[Guest MikeSC]

JacK, you hit the nail on the head. It doesn't matter if Jarrett is champ or not, because the people that know him will see him on the show and probably watch anyways (assuming they're a fan of his).

 

Hey, Mike, I wonder what Double J from TNS is saying right now, since even HE said that he didn't want Jarrett to regain the belt for a while.

I'm just wondering how many loads Marty has blown over Fairplay being on Impact.

-=Mike