Ivory and Jacqueline abusing workers in OVW?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I have friends who can make moves look better and more believable than she can. The only woman wrestler on the roster worse than her is Jackie and even then it's ify. Hell I'd rather watch Sumie Siaki and she's absolutely terrible.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Wrestling be it the actual sport or the one in question, is tough and it's not painless. People should know that.

 

And maybe that was a little...mean, but seriously, it's no big secret trainers are rough on their students. I guess the only problem is they are women. Cough:Moolah did the same shit:cough.

Well if this is teh case, why did everyone jump on Holly's case with Matt and the whole Tough Enough situation? A lot of people were all pissed about it...when that was basically the same thing as this.

 

Now, I didn't agree with the whole TE, in fact I was one against teh way he just coldly beat his ass, and I'm the same with this. You can train for wrestling without having to go through a worse then military type training. All that's gonna do, is make you 'scared' possibly, or when you do finally earn your spot, it's gonna make you treat the next batch of workers even worse.

 

I have never been a fan of Jackie so I could efinitely give a shit about her. Ivory, I kinda wouldn't expect...but I guess there's nothing you can do about it.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I think Holly got shit on because he made it sound like he just did it for the hell of beating the kid up. Maybe Snow & DeMott made an excuse for it, but I don't remember Holly doing it.

 

Of course, I never was "OMG KILL HOLLY" for it. He was teaching Matt a lesson, that you can't always trust your opponent(s) to be safe with you.

[Guest nikowwf]

Of course, I never was "OMG KILL HOLLY" for it. He was teaching Matt a lesson, that you can't always trust your opponent(s) to be safe with you.

That's an interesting interpetation of it. It looked more to me like he was taking liberties with a trainee who wouldn't fight back cause he was afraid of being kicked off the show. It looked more like Holly is a frustrated loser who likes to hit people if they won't hit back.

 

just what i saw.

niko

[Guest wildpegasus]

Compared to the men, no it's not a high standard but in comparison with other female workers they ARE solid enough. To expand, when they both wrestle they are competent, have good timing, can both sell fairly well...look at Trish/Victoria street fight or any Trish/Jazz match. All above average encounters.

female workers from here but not from the land of the rising sun.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

I don't understand what the point is of comparing North American women to Joshi when the Joshi don't wrestle in the US, anyway.

[Guest wildpegasus]

I don't understand what the point is of comparing North American women to Joshi when the Joshi don't wrestle in the US, anyway.

because the quote said "other female workers..." That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

[AndrewTS 0]

Trish and Victoria ARE both good workers. Trish wasn't a product of WWE development though and while Victoria did spend time in OVW, she was already a trained worker before signing with WWE.

Victoria?!

 

Take a look at her on the Summerslam 2000 PPV. She was only a short-term valet until she had been signed to the developmentals and began to be trained to wrestle. She didn't even have nearly as much muscle mass on her arms back then. She actually had very little training before they threw her on TV, because she was progressing very quickly. I think that, like Trish, she was a fitness model prior to doing anything with WWE.

 

Trish?!

 

Trish was a fitness model before signing, and worked as a valet/non-wrestling character until they began to train her for the ring. Ever since about 2001 WWE had tried to get most of the women to have at least minimal wrestling training, for stuff like bra and panties matches.

[Guest DeathBecomesYou]

Trish and Victoria ARE both good workers. Trish wasn't a product of WWE development though and while Victoria did spend time in OVW, she was already a trained worker before signing with WWE.

Victoria?!

 

Take a look at her on the Summerslam 2000 PPV. She was only a short-term valet until she had been signed to the developmentals and began to be trained to wrestle. She didn't even have nearly as much muscle mass on her arms back then. She actually had very little training before they threw her on TV, because she was progressing very quickly. I think that, like Trish, she was a fitness model prior to doing anything with WWE.

 

Trish?!

 

Trish was a fitness model before signing, and worked as a valet/non-wrestling character until they began to train her for the ring. Ever since about 2001 WWE had tried to get most of the women to have at least minimal wrestling training, for stuff like bra and panties matches.

Victoria isn't technically a "home grown" WWE talent. Victoria was training at UPW's school when she did the appearances as a Godfather Ho and wasn't signed until late 2000, when she did the bulk of her training under Molly Holly in MCW and later OVW. As for her not being that muscular, she was pretty well built when she was in MCW and even more so when she was in OVW, if anything it kind of looks like she's dropped a bit of muscle mass since being on TV.

Trish was trained at Ron Hutchison's school in Canada while under WWE contract and has never worked in any of the developmental territories.

[Guest netslob]

i did a little search on this Bobbi Billard chick (very little), and you know who she used to be in WOW (for those of you who watched that crap)...Summer, one half of the "Beach Patrol" tag team. yeah, honey, i'm sure you trained REAL hard for that spot...i'll bet she trained right under MacLane himself...

[Guest Rain On Your Parade]

i did a little search on this Bobbi Billard chick (very little), and you know who she used to be in WOW (for those of you who watched that crap)...Summer, one half of the "Beach Patrol" tag team. yeah, honey, i'm sure you trained REAL hard for that spot...i'll bet she trained right under MacLane himself...

You can't judge this book by its cover!

I'm not sure that this will help any since it seems that some of you skim read and then make up your own story anyway but whatever. I keep this journal for my own benefit and also so that my fans can keep updated as to what's going on with me. I like to be able to look back and remember various things that happened in my life. I shouldn't have to explain what a journal is all about anyway. And another thing, since you can't hear tone of voice over the computer, please don't assume that my tone is something that it is not. With that said, here are some preconceived ideas about me that I would like to address.

 

#1. Misconception: I don't have any wrestling experience...

One thing I learned is that you never stop learning. You can always stand to learn something new. I learned that from several big names in the industry and I think that that is a great attitude to have. Yeah, I'll admit that WOW wasn't the best show around. The girls on the show did the best that we could with the limited knowledge that we had. It was definitely a positive learning experience. And it does count as experience because I was on a nationally syndicated wrestling tv show. It is more experience than a lot of you that have taken the time to bash me in my comments section (or elsewhere on the net for that matter) have had or will ever have. Hate to be blunt about this but it needs to be said. Yeah, I will admit that on WOW, we didn't have enough training and it is light years away from anything that I was learning at OVW. OVW is a great school! It's very hard to get in there and I appreciated the opportunity a great deal. WOW had scripted matches where as OVW taught you psychology and stuff that I didn't even know existed until I got there. It was very challenging and I was eager to learn. I am a perfectionist and a very hard worker. That is how I got to be where I am in my life. I didn't get to where I am at by people handing me opportunities right and left contrary to popular belief. I had to work to get to where I am at so that I would even be offered a developmental deal with WWE in the first place.

 

#2. Misconception: I wanted to be treated with kid gloves.

Bullshit! This goes back to the whole "Playboy model" stereotype again. Did you know that before I went to OVW, I drove down to Tijuana, Mexico to train with Rey Mysterio's uncle? Rey Mysterio's uncle (Miguel) is the one who trained Rey and he was the original Rey Mysterio. He is an awesome trainer! There was no running water at our gym so lets just say the toilet situation was rather harsh. It smelled indescribable in there. I would get my perfume out and spray away so that I would not gag to death on the rancid odor. Do you think most "Playboy models" would be down with that? LOL! I know a lot of 'em and I can guarantee you they wouldn't put up with that fact alone. Please do not get me wrong, I'm not complaining about this stuff, I'm proving a point. I would drive down there 3 days a week. It was about 2-3 hours each way. And it's not the safest place in the world for a big breasted blonde to be hanging out. However, I loved training there! They put me in the ring, I was one of the few girls that went to school there. In fact, there were only two other women that attended with me. He taught us that people would be rough with you. At practice we would always chop the others as hard as we could. And they would do the same to me. He said that this would toughen us up and prepare us so if anyone ever hit us hard like this in the ring, it wouldn't take us by surprise. I would ask Miguel to tell the guys to chop me even harder if I felt that they were taking it easy on me because I was a girl.

 

At the end of some of the classes, we would do submission wrestling. Real stuff! And they put me in there with a guy. And you know what? I held my own. I didn't win but I came close. I am a strong girl. My last evening there, he put me in a submission match vs. one of the other girls. She chopped me as hard as she could, then I chopped her back. Then she slapped me in the face as hard as she could, then I slapped her back. Then we wrestled. I won. Then we shook hands. No hard feelings whatsoever.

 

I'm from the school where I'd rather have someone lay it in, than miss me by a mile. I want it to look right more than anything. And you know what? I can take it! The true art is making it look like you are clobbering someone when in all actuality you are barely touching them. That was what I was hoping to learn how to do! The point of these stories are that I am tougher than I may look. I'm not saying that I had it as rough as some people. I think that a lot of people missed my point with my earlier post. I'll explain more when I update you all with my medical situation.

 

#3. Misconception: I quit WWE Developmental Program.

I was released because of my injury. I did not quit. I'll admit that I thought about it... but I didn't.

 

#4. Misconception: I didn't work through my injuries.

Maybe I didn't emphasise this enough. I probably need surgery. I have my EMG/NCY test tomorrow and I get my results of that and my myelogram on Thursday. I have lost my strength in my left arm. The other day, I tried to show my trainer what I was talking about. In my tricep pulldowns I did about 60 lbs. on my right side. On my left side, I tried to push 20 lbs. and my brain sent the response out, but my arm wouldn't work. I feel constant tingling/numbness in my fingers (and palms), sometimes it is a burning sensation. And it feels as if someone is stabbing me with a knife in my neck down my spinal cord. My pain radiates down my left arm. I am in pain 24/7. The only time I don't feel as much pain is when I am laying down. It is still hard to get comfortable enough to sleep at night. And get this, no pain killer that I have taken so far will put a dent in my pain. I was prescribed vicodin and it didn't do jack!

 

As far as me practicing is concerned, my doctors would not clear me to practice and without clearance, I wasn't allowed to participate. If that makes me a baby or means that I don't love the business enough in your eyes, then so be it. What good is it to go on when it will render you incapable of ever wrestling again!? A neck injury is nothing to toy with. One bad bump and I would have been in a wheelchair. Plain and simple!

 

That's all for now. I need to go lay down. I'm hurting too much to type anymore.

 

Take care,

Bobbi B.

http://www.BobbiBillard.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BobbiBillard

Credit: Bobbi's Livejournal

[Guest netslob]

well, if this is true, then i stand corrected...i'll admit that i don't know everything.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Wait....wasn't Gail Kim the Asian/Canadian female Rey Mysterio Jr.?

[haVoc 0]

This is my story, and I'm stickin' to it

by Dr. Tom Prichard

June 9, 2004

 

Propaganda. The power of the press. The real story.

The written word can be a powerful way to sway and convince others. Even when not a word is true.

 

There are three sides to every story: Your side, my side and "what really happened." Most of us learn the hard way about the facts of life. Some people have to grow up quicker than others and aren't shielded from some harsh realities. I have come across some people who have never taken off their rose-colored lenses and can't understand why it's necessary to "be tough" or stand up for your beliefs, even when it means you're going to be in for a long battle. Nobody's ever completely right or wrong.

 

Work ethic, dedication and passion for this business are things you can't fake your way through. It all comes out in the wash. When someone tells me how bad they want this, I tell them it is up to them to prove it. Is the system always fair? Hell no! Is life fair? The difference is crying and whining about something will only get you a soggy pillow and annoyed friends (if you have any).

 

Saying I have "more experience than you" is just another way of saying, "I messed up before you." Professional wrestling/sports entertainment is a funny business sometimes. I wrestled 16 years before being at the right place at the right time and becoming involved in talent relations and development. I by no means have "seen it all," but I have seen and heard a lot! I never underestimate the creative spin former talent or developmental talent can put on "what really happened."

 

If there was a way to screw things up, I could find it with no problem. I have made a lot of mistakes and stupid statements in my time that have come back to haunt me. But I don't think I ever blamed other people for "holding me down," or claimed anybody was being "extra rough" with me. This is a contact sport/business, and it's not for everybody! I get really pissed when someone comes into our developmental system and claims they were envied and "roughed up" intentionally because people were "threatened" by the possibility of losing their spot.

 

I am able to talk to some of the younger talent about issues that face them because chances are I faced them too. My abruptness or honesty sometimes gets misinterpreted as "he just doesn't like me," or "he's 'old school' and doesn't understand." The song remains the same.

 

Only the faces and names seem to change.

 

I see a lot of people who say they want to be in WWE. I hear from them every day! I hear from agents who tell me they have the "perfect guy/girl" for WWE. Do they have any wrestling experience? No. They won the "Miss Apalukka Nail Filing Contest,” though, and will really help WWE's ratings! Don't even ask me about the ones who call using their computers.

 

Getting back to my story-your story-what really happened. I am always amazed how ignorant and stupid some people can be. With propaganda, if you say something long enough, it will become truth, via perception. I am aware I can be accused of the same thing. But when you have a high percentage of both men and women coming out of the same place and actually producing when it's time, shouldn't that be the proof of success or failure? Do some people need to be motivated and get a fire lit under them for their own good? In my humble opinion, yes. I hate seeing someone with potential get complacent and lazy. Bringing their faults to their attention will work in one of two ways: They will get mad and quit, or they will become even more determined to show me how wrong I am. Then again, some keep coasting along thinking they're fooling everybody. They are only fooling themselves.

 

I have had a negative attitude in the past. I didn't like being around a lot of people. I had to have a harsh dose of reality to let me see another view. The world doesn't revolve around me, but the words I say and the actions I take do affect others. I don't ever want to intentionally discourage anyone from following their dreams. But if they can't take what I say and turn it into a positive, so be it. I have done camps and seminars all over the country and talk frankly to the people who attend. If they make it to Ohio Valley Wrestling they are talked to and treated the same as everybody else. If it is perceived they are lazy and uninterested, it will be brought to their attention. There are a lot of people out there who like to talk the talk but can't walk the walk. It's not fair to the ones who bust their ass and wait in line for their break only to be overlooked by a no-talent, egotistical, mindless moron!

 

I hope that wasn't too harsh. I would hate for anyone to misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm sure getting drunk and missing work at a regular job would be OK.

 

I also realize that not knowing who is doing what or following the business happenings in your chosen field is acceptable in the "real" world. And I guess it's also OK to blatantly lie about your colleagues and coworkers as well. Hell, I wish I had a H2 to drive when I was learning my craft and getting paid more than $40 a night just to come to class every day and become a student of the game. I also wish it was an option for me to sit home with a "tummy ache" and still get paid. I really don't want to come across as too harsh or bitter.

 

I know how hard our developmental and current roster of Superstars work. I see how hard everyone in WWE works to make the company what it is. I get really offended when somebody who couldn't hack it talks about how unfair things are. Look in the mirror. Ask yourself if you've always done things right. Have you done what was asked of you? Have you always been fair to the people you came across? Did you really want to learn about this business or were you just looking to be a TV star and make lots of money? What's the "real" story?

 

You know mine.

 

WWE.com

[SuperJerk 0]

You know what they say....

 

Those that can't... teach.

That saying is ignorant. You should be ashamed of yourself for repeating it.

[AndrewTS 0]

That Prichard article is gold...

 

"If there was a way to screw things up, I could find it with no problem. But I don't think I ever blamed other people for 'holding me down,' or claimed anybody was being 'extra rough' with me. This is a contact sport/business, and it's not for everybody! I get really pissed when someone comes into our developmental system and claims they were envied and "roughed up" intentionally because people were "threatened" by the possibility of losing their spot....

 

"I hear from agents who tell me they have the "perfect guy/girl" for WWE. Do they have any wrestling experience? No. They won the "Miss Apalukka Nail Filing Contest,” though, and will really help WWE's ratings! Don't even ask me about the ones who call using their computers....

 

"Getting back to my story-your story-what really happened. I am always amazed how ignorant and stupid some people can be. With propaganda, if you say something long enough, it will become truth, via perception....

 

"It's not fair to the ones who bust their ass and wait in line for their break only to be overlooked by a no-talent, egotistical, mindless moron!"

 

Fun-ny.

 

"If there was a way to screw things up, I could find it with no problem."

 

Give yourself more credit Bruce, you're still doing it!

[notJames 0]

I'm gonna assume you mean Tom Pritchard, and not the Brother Lovin' Bruce.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

You know what they say....

 

Those that can't... teach.

That saying is ignorant. You should be ashamed of yourself for repeating it.

*hides in a corner*

[AndrewTS 0]

I'm gonna assume you mean Tom Pritchard, and not the Brother Lovin' Bruce.

Bruce is screwing up Smackdown, sure, but I've heard for quite a while that Tom has been one of Vince's chief ass-kissers, so unless I'm wrong I don't think he deserves to be off the hook, either.

 

Regardless, it's so funny to hear some of that stuff coming from a WWE employee, and he's not bitching about the WWE itself, per se.