Guest INXS Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 From PWBTS Independent worker Chad Collyer has signed a deal to appear for NWA TNA. He is set to debut next Wednesday at the TNA PPV. Collyer, who is highly talented, has worked several dark matches for WWE recently. Collyer decided to sign a deal with TNA after contacting WWE head of talent relations, Johnny Ace, who told him that he might as well sign with TNA as WWE weren't prepared to offer him anything. He's one talented guy...good stuff for TNA.
Silence Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 He's one talented guy...good stuff for TNA. Eh, I can't really get into his matches. He tries too hard to be like Dean Malenko in the ring but it doesn't come off too well for some reason.
Gert T Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 I think he could be a pretty good edition to the X Division roster. Maybe he does try to be like Deano too much, but he is solid in the ring.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 He'd be a really solid addition to the X-division. He's already better than Shane is......
Guest OSIcon Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Collyer doesn't fit into the X-Division at all. I like him, but he just doesn't fit into that division or TNA's heavyweight division in terms of Style. People get on Michael Shane (and Sonny Siaki) for being give the X-Title when they wrestler more of a "small heavyweight" style. Shane at least as more "X-Division style" in him than Collyer so I don't see why people think he'll work out in the X-Division. The signing doesn't make much sense to me. He would probably be best used as part of a tag team.
BoboBrazil Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 I don't think this is true. Why would TNA sign a guy they've used like 1 time in the past? They need to get Kanyon damnit.
Mystery Eskimo Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Collyer isnt really an X style guy. He is a pretty good though, with a decent gimmick he could do well. Or get squashed by Abyss every week.
TheBigSwigg Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 I don't think this is true. Why would TNA sign a guy they've used like 1 time in the past? They need to get Kanyon damnit. Why would they sign a guy they've never used over a guy they've used one time? Of course Kanyon's a name, Collyer is a good wrestler too. Give him a chance
The Ghost of bps21 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 They had a plan for him way way back months ago the last time that he was on where they would make him the Dean Malenko of the X division...and he'd use his technical knowledge to ground the high flyers. I hope they stick with that.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 They had a plan for him way way back months ago the last time that he was on where they would make him the Dean Malenko of the X division...and he'd use his technical knowledge to ground the high flyers. I hope they stick with that. Exactly, I find it rather funny how people say he doesn't fit in with the X-division and that he is an exact copy of Malenko. Considering that Malenko worked wonderfully with all the Cruisers that WCW had. This will be a good idea for TNA, IMO.
King Cucaracha Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 Hmm...decent signing. If they use him as the 'anti X style' X Division guy, that'd open up a whole bunch of matches pretty quickly. I still don't get the whole 'X-Division style' arguement either. So Collyer's a technical wrestler...why does that rule him out of the X-Division Title?
Guest The Last Free Voice Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 I don't know if I like this. I think they could have gone with better selections if they wanted an X guy. But Collyer's solid, if uncharismatic. I think I'll wait and see.
Guest NateRizzle Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 You all seem to forget some of Dean Malenko's classics in WCW. did he fit in with the other cruiserweights? Don't think so.
Guest The Last Free Voice Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 But Dean had that connection with the crowd that drew them in. And I really don't think Chad has taht...
Michrome Posted June 10, 2004 Report Posted June 10, 2004 He's rock solid. You're not going to get any classics, but he's good. Comparing to Dean is way overdoing it though, he's nowhere near that level.
Guest Donners Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 I don't think this is true. Why would TNA sign a guy they've used like 1 time in the past? They need to get Kanyon damnit. He had three matches between last December and January IIRC, losing them all. He looked okay from what I remember, but I'm surprised they would sign a 30-year-old when there's a lot of younger talent around. As for Kanyon, I just can't understand why he isn't in. He said he and Spanky contacted TNA before they even left WWE. I can understand Spanky not coming in with the RoH fiasco, but WHERE THE HELL IS KANYON?!
Corey_Lazarus Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 You're all forgetting, at least those that say he'd fit into the X-Division and how Dean fit in with the Cruiserweight division in WCW perfectly, that the Cruiserweight division was based on weight, not style. The X-Division style, as pimped by Mike Tenay, is about high-risk action. Call me crazy, but I somehow doubt a Dean Malenko wannabe fits the HIGH-RISK style that the X-Division is supposed to be. Which is why, again, I say they just rename the fucking belt the TNA Cruiserweight title.
Guest MikeSC Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 You're all forgetting, at least those that say he'd fit into the X-Division and how Dean fit in with the Cruiserweight division in WCW perfectly, that the Cruiserweight division was based on weight, not style. The X-Division style, as pimped by Mike Tenay, is about high-risk action. Call me crazy, but I somehow doubt a Dean Malenko wannabe fits the HIGH-RISK style that the X-Division is supposed to be. Which is why, again, I say they just rename the fucking belt the TNA Cruiserweight title. People also seem to assume that the TNA bookers can pull off such an angle. People are naive. -=Mike
Corey_Lazarus Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 TNA used to be able to pull off the fact that the X-Division was about the style of wrestling over the size of the wrestlers. Then Dutchy came in.
Guest INXS Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 To update, Collyer hasn't signed yet but is expected to at Wednesdays show.
Guest Dynamite Kido Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 You're all forgetting, at least those that say he'd fit into the X-Division and how Dean fit in with the Cruiserweight division in WCW perfectly, that the Cruiserweight division was based on weight, not style. The X-Division style, as pimped by Mike Tenay, is about high-risk action. Call me crazy, but I somehow doubt a Dean Malenko wannabe fits the HIGH-RISK style that the X-Division is supposed to be. Which is why, again, I say they just rename the fucking belt the TNA Cruiserweight title. I agree with you 100% on this Laz, but keep in mind that the X-divison style died with Michael Shane being their "dream" champion. Collyer could be good against spotty opponents making the matches better by slowing them down and keeping them at bay, creating a pace. But I agree and say that if they ever go back to the "balls out" X-division approach that they once had......he doesn't fit in at all.
Guest whitemilesdavis Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 I haven't seen Collyer wrestle yet, but from what I've heard his style may be interesting against the x-division guys. However, I don't see how you can create a division based on style. Technically, Siaki couldn't be X-champ, because he doesn't work the style, right? But there's no way to regulate it, unless you clearly define what that style is, for example, say the guys would have to use at least 3 aerial moves in the match, which is rediculous. I say keep calling it the X-division, and just put a weight limit on it. That way, guys like Collyer and Shane could be legit contenders and work the mat vs. aerial story into their matches, while Siaki would be too heavy to be in the division.
Corey_Lazarus Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 ...which is exactly what I'm saying. Just call it the fucking Cruiserweight title already, considering the only people in the division are Cruiserweights, and only half of them work the X-Division style. And I could make a stretch to fit Siaki in. Tenay used to say how the X-Division was about innovation. Siaki had the somersault swinging neckbreaker, Siakolypse, and a few cool-looking powermoves. But that's stretching it. TNA fails to realize that when you make a title for high-flying wrestlers and high-flying wrestlers ONLY, you need to make sure only high-flying wrestlers compete for it.
Guest whitemilesdavis Posted June 11, 2004 Report Posted June 11, 2004 Agreed. BUt, I would still call it X-division just to give TNA it's own flair. WCW had Cruiserweights, WWF had light-heavy's, and Japan has Juniors. Plus, with the company already promoting the X-division as one of their selling points, I say keep it, and quietly change the standards of it.
Guest INXS Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 From PWBTS.com: "Last week, TNA promised Chad Collyer a contract with the company which he would sign tonight at the Wednesday PPV. Tonight, TNA have informed Collyer that he won't be offered a deal after all. The people that I have spoken to speculate that TNA merely promised Chad Collyer a contract to get him to come in for tonight's PPV (in which he put over signed talent). I have no word on the status of the other guys who were reported to have been due to sign deals tonight."
Guest MikeSC Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 From PWBTS.com: "Last week, TNA promised Chad Collyer a contract with the company which he would sign tonight at the Wednesday PPV. Tonight, TNA have informed Collyer that he won't be offered a deal after all. The people that I have spoken to speculate that TNA merely promised Chad Collyer a contract to get him to come in for tonight's PPV (in which he put over signed talent). I have no word on the status of the other guys who were reported to have been due to sign deals tonight." If this is true (I don't fully buy it), this is one insanely low move. -=Mike
Guest Donners Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 That would be an act of gross stupidity if it happened as speculated. I would presume that if he is not to be offered a deal, something has changed since they originally agreed to bring him in. To have brought him in under a deliberate false promise would cost them credibility in all future dealings, not to mention open up some avenues of legal liability.
Guest JacK Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 Now that's dodgy . . . I mean I hope that ain't true for Collyer's sake, or for TNA. I mean who'd trust them now? The only way workers would trust them now would be if they signed Collyer . . . and he'd probably tell them to get fucked if that's true. I know I would - principles > money.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 The problem I have understanding is what exactly TNA was trying to accomplish here. He spent the whole match punching BG James in the crowd...while Hernandez wrestled Truth. They could have put anyone in that role.
Guest Donners Posted June 17, 2004 Report Posted June 17, 2004 Exactly. It would make no sense to risk the obvious possible backlash for such a minor role. If it were Samoa Joe, I'd have my suspicions. But Collyer? It must be some other reason.
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