Primetime Impact?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I would respond but I don't even know what the hell you're complaining about. Guys get paid what they get paid. It doesn't matter what they do for the show.

 

And don't pull the I'm getting shit on for disagreeing. Laz and Dynamite always have choice things to say but they're at least rational and not a broken record. You seriously come across like a troll.

 

I swear, I don't even know why I bother with this folder.

[Guest MikeSC]

Because he's a professional and would like money. More money is there for main eventers than for X Division guys, most likely.

ummmmm.......if that were the case....nobody would be in the x-division. It's amazing how much you DON'T know about TNA, yet you criticize it every chance you get....and in this case....it's not even right.

If you're going to tell me that nobody has a chance to get more money through merchandising and the like with a ME push over an X Division push --- then this company is more screwed up than I ever gave them credit for.

And don't pull the I'm getting shit on for disagreeing. Laz and Dynamite always have choice things to say but they're at least rational and not a broken record. You seriously come across like a troll.

 

I swear, I don't even know why I bother with this folder.

Then LEAVE.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

You really have no clue about how TNA works. Styles was the first wrestler in TNA to get merchandise. And guess what? He was in the FUCKING X DIVISION!!! Seriously try to actually know what your talking about when you make such claims. AJ Styles gets more merchandise made for him than anyone. He has a fucking DVD for Christ's sake. No matter what he's TNA's top star and they treat him as such.

[Guest MikeSC]

You really have no clue about how TNA works. Styles was the first wrestler in TNA to get merchandise. And guess what? He was in the FUCKING X DIVISION!!! Seriously try to actually know what your talking about when you make such claims. AJ Styles gets more merchandise made for him than anyone. He has a fucking DVD for Christ's sake. No matter what he's TNA's top star and they treat him as such.

And he WALKS the moment the WWE decides he's worth a damn.

 

They're misusing him every inch as they've pissed away Raven.

 

All so Jeff Jarrett can get his ego blown.

 

"You sound like a broken record"

 

Well, THEY KEEP DOING THE SAME STUPID SHIT OVER AND OVER. JJ is NOT a ME caliber worker. They KEEP sticking him in a position he doesn't belong. Styles is the best performer they have, so they stick him in the X Division, instead of the ME. They work overtime to try and make Chris Harris a near-legit heavyweight --- then just pull the plug and stick him back in AMW where they have nothing to do. They have wasted Kash being the only heel on the roster worth a damn. They pull a Shane McMahon and have the ONLY guy willing to stand up to Abyss be Vince Russo.

 

If you wish to pretend that this company is hunky-dory, have a blast. I have shit attendance, shit buyrates, a horrible timeslot they are paying a ton of money for, and a near-total lack of interest for them to back up MY claims of their problems.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

He turned down the WWF you know.

 

Your claims are utter shit Mike. You'll totally flip-flop if it suits your purposes. You brought the whole .3 rating into the argument as an attempt to prove they had a shitty rating and then totally changed your tune when people brought up the fact that out does any Fox Sports programming. Like I said your arguments equal Dave O'Neil. Could be worth something something but end up having no substance when you totally ignore something to make your point. And you use several of his arguments. If you actually bothered reading TNA news you'd see several of your points hold no water outside of Jarrett stuff.

[Guest MikeSC]

Your claims are utter shit Mike.

God knows YOU'D know better than most.

You'll totally flip-flop if it suits your purposes.

Nope, they've been pretty consistent.

You brought the whole .3 rating into the argument as an attempt to prove they had a shitty rating and then totally changed your tune when people brought up the fact that out does any Fox Sports programming.

I actually turned on it when I realized I couldn't find a SOUL to verify it.

 

Mind you, I was correct in that reasoning, also.

Like I said your arguments equal Dave O'Neil.

Thank you, vicvenomjr.

Could be worth something something but end up having no substance when you totally ignore something to make your point.

Such as? A number posted on a board by a TNA mark was false? Color me shocked --- I heard TNA marks claiming that ICP caused buyrates to shoot up, so I should have known better than to assume that any of you have a clue.

And you use several of his arguments.

As you do with vicvenomjr.

If you actually bothered reading TNA news you'd see several of your points hold no water outside of Jarrett stuff.

Kash is in the ME?

Harris is a single still?

JJ isn't World Champ?

Styles is the top challenger for the World Title?

The Team Canada v Team World feud has finally ended?

 

Wow, I must've missed all of those.

-=Mike

 

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

He turned down the WWF you know.

Because they low-balled him. If they decided to give him the STANDARD developmental deal, he'd take it a moment.

-=Mike

Sure he would........

 

and I'm sure he'd totally ignore how every other guy his size gets a total burial job instead of staying in a promotion that's given him every title in the promotion at least twice.

[Guest MikeSC]

He turned down the WWF you know.

Because they low-balled him. If they decided to give him the STANDARD developmental deal, he'd take it a moment.

-=Mike

Sure he would........

 

and I'm sure he'd totally ignore how every other guy his size gets a total burial job instead of staying in a promotion that's given him every title in the promotion at least twice.

You seem to be confused about something:

 

They do this FOR MONEY.

 

They will do ANYTHING if it gives them MUCH MORE MONEY.

 

They're pros.

 

This is up there with "Lance Storm should leave" stuff --- as if glory in a pre-determined performance is more important than money.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Then why did Spanky and Ultimo Dragon ask to leave? Why have other indy wrestlers turned down the WWF because they don't pay enough? Why is Styles going to get a burial while working more dates when he can work Wednesday/Thursday/Saturday and probably make as much or more than the WWF will offer. They won't be offering him more than 1000 a week and TNA already pays him that much with the PPV and Impact. Why is he going to want to go to OVW and have to completely relearn how to wrestle? He likes working the X Division and WWF will never allow that.

 

And one of his reasons for not taking the original contract was that they wouldn't use him correctly.

[Guest MikeSC]

Then why did Spanky and Ultimo Dragon ask to leave?

Because Spanky is an idiotic mark and Ultimo does have a company in Japan to run.

Why have other indy wrestlers turned down the WWF because they don't pay enough?

Of course, this ONLY FURTHER PROVES MY POINT.

 

Thanks.

Why is Styles going to get a burial while working more dates when he can work Wednesday/Thursday/Saturday and probably make as much or more than the WWF will offer.

Because he wouldn't make more than the WWE could decide to offer him. And he wouldn't have to work for multiple promotions.

They won't be offering him more than 1000 a week and TNA already pays him that much with the PPV and Impact.

That's because he doesn't warrant more than that. The moment he does, they will.

Why is he going to want to go to OVW and have to completely relearn how to wrestle?  He likes working the X Division and WWF will never allow that.

Because he'll eventually want to have enough money to take care of his family, seeing as how the X style tends to not give workers long shelf lives.

And one of his reasons for not taking the original contract was that they wouldn't use him correctly.

Only reason he ever gave was the money. And he has since said he'd listen to an offer if one was made.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Whatever Dave O'Neil.

[Guest MikeSC]

Whatever Dave O'Neil.

I thought so.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I honestly have no clue who the hell he is.

[Guest MikeSC]

I honestly have no clue who the hell he is.

Of course you don't.

-=Mike

[TNABaddboi 0]

That's because he doesn't warrant more than that. The moment he does, they will.

 

They can offer all they want, he has a contract, Mike. Not an ECW, contract that don't hold water contract, but a real enforceable contract. Notice Konnan is still taking up our airspace on Wednesdays and Friday instead of paling around with Rey Rey and Eddie on Thursday? Because he has a contract, just like Styles. Now they could offer him one when its up, but that's another discussion entire. You're acting like WWE could pluck him right out of a TNA ring, mid-match. WWE has clearly stated that they don't want to waste time and energy on a legal battle with TNA anyway, which is what was reported when there was rumored interest in Shane and someone else I don't remember right now. So please spare us they aren't enforceable garbage, because clearly they are. Otherwise, I'm sure we would have already seen a talent raid or two.

[Kizzo 0]

Not surprise....FX was interested in the WWE back in 2000...when USA Network lost the contract to air WWE programming....

 

In the future I expect FX to get Impact....since they target almost the same audience...and with shows like The Shield...TNA fits very well in there line up......plus FX probaly wantt be afraid to push the envelope either...if needed..

[Guest MikeSC]

They can offer all they want, he has a contract, Mike. Not an ECW, contract that don't hold water contract, but a real enforceable contract. Notice Konnan is still taking up our airspace on Wednesdays and Friday instead of paling around with Rey Rey and Eddie on Thursday? Because he has a contract, just like Styles. Now they could offer him one when its up, but that's another discussion entire. You're acting like WWE could pluck him right out of a TNA ring, mid-match. WWE has clearly stated that they don't want to waste time and energy on a legal battle with TNA anyway, which is what was reported when there was rumored interest in Shane and someone else I don't remember right now. So please spare us they aren't enforceable garbage, because clearly they are. Otherwise, I'm sure we would have already seen a talent raid or two.

The WWE doesn't want the headaches associated with getting Konnan out of his deal. If somebody in TNA was somebody they wanted, the WWE would find a loophole in the contract.

 

TNA doesn't have enough money to fight off the WWE if they so desire. Hell, the WWE could easily sabotage their product completely if that was their desire.

 

TNA does not have all that much talent that is marketable.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Panda has more than enough money to scare off the WWF.

[Guest MikeSC]

Panda has more than enough money to scare off the WWF.

They'd drop TNA the moment they become a major drain on them financially. Good luck explaining to investors why you're spending millions on a company that has never drawn a profit in its 2 year existence and shows no signs of that changing in the foreseeable future.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

MikeSC is correct about one thing. TNA will never even reach half it's potential as long as Jeff Jarret is out to show THE WORLD(aka Vince McMahon) that he can carry a company as world champ. Jarret just isn't THAT guy. I can handle him being champ for a little while just to establish a feud for the new audience, but he better drop the title belt at the conclusion of his FIRST feud post-FSN debut.

[Michrome 0]

Because Spanky is an idiotic mark

 

I take issue with this. He is making more money with a garaunteed Z-1 contract now than he was making with WWE. He is also getting to do what he loves in an unrestricted environment. Quite the unfair statement.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

That --- and the constant spotfests in those never-ending "Int'l 6-man matches" need to end. It was fun once. It's old now.

 

I think those are to attract the attention of the Hispanic audience. If you watch AAA or EMLL, there are rarely one on one matches.

 

ON another note, AJ Styles turned down WWE because of he disagreed with the lack of morality in their programming. AJ is a born again Christian who has problems with the sexuality of WWE, and went as far as to remove TNA from his "resume" when they showed nudity early on. I know this b/c my friend was lucky enough to be able to train with him, and someone (my friend) asked about it.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

June 14, 2004

TNA IMPACT! Ratings Rising!

Early reports show that we almost doubled our ratings from week one to week

2 on Impact on FOX.

 

From the TNA IMPACT! Street Team News page. Maybe that's part of the reason FX is interested

[Guest sean pyro]

That --- and the constant spotfests in those never-ending "Int'l 6-man matches" need to end. It was fun once. It's old now.

 

I think those are to attract the attention of the Hispanic audience. If you watch AAA or EMLL, there are rarely one on one matches.

 

ON another note, AJ Styles turned down WWE because of he disagreed with the lack of morality in their programming. AJ is a born again Christian who has problems with the sexuality of WWE, and went as far as to remove TNA from his "resume" when they showed nudity early on. I know this b/c my friend was lucky enough to be able to train with him, and someone (my friend) asked about it.

I've never heard anything about that,

 

Every interview he has ever done he says the reason he never went with the WWE is because him and his wife would have to move and that would have ment she would have to drop out of the college she attends there and he didn't think that was fair.

[Guest MikeSC]

June 14, 2004

TNA IMPACT! Ratings Rising!

Early reports show that we almost doubled our ratings from week one to week

2 on Impact on FOX.

 

From the TNA IMPACT! Street Team News page. Maybe that's part of the reason FX is interested

Of course, since according to Meltz they don't even KNOW the first week's ratings, sounds like somebody is blowing smoke out of their collective asses.

I take issue with this. He is making more money with a garaunteed Z-1 contract now than he was making with WWE. He is also getting to do what he loves in an unrestricted environment. Quite the unfair statement.

If he left for less money because he wasn't being used right, he's an idiotic mark.

If he left for more money and a better slot AND the WWE was misusing him, then I have no problem with that. That is being professional.

think those are to attract the attention of the Hispanic audience. If you watch AAA or EMLL, there are rarely one on one matches.

Well, I don't much care for much of AAA or EMLL, either. I am not fond of total spotfests.

ON another note, AJ Styles turned down WWE because of he disagreed with the lack of morality in their programming. AJ is a born again Christian who has problems with the sexuality of WWE, and went as far as to remove TNA from his "resume" when they showed nudity early on. I know this b/c my friend was lucky enough to be able to train with him, and someone (my friend) asked about it.

Which makes his comment that he'd listen to an offer from the WWE quite baffling.

-=Mike

[Michrome 0]

People are going to make a huge deal out of the ratings for the first few weeks, but the bottom line is whether or not the show is bringing more buys. With ratings so low in the mid-day, they're not going to make any more money on advertising, so they need to recoup a lot of money on buys.

 

They need to recoup:

$36,000 a week to run the show

Plane flights for all the workers on the show, and the staff.

The cost to rent the place

The extra cost of the workers

Set, Pyro, Production, etc

 

For the 36k alone, they need to add 3600 more buys, which means the show needs to increase its viewership by about 48% to break even alone on the cost of running the show. I reached that figure using Meltzer's figure he emailed to some people a few weeks ago that the show was doing about 7,500 buys a week.

 

The extra costs are going to be quite significant too, to the point where they will probably (overall) have to increase their ppv viewership by 60-75% just to break even.

 

Now, we've broken even, but by breaking even on the TV show what have we accomplished? It's now back to square one, with the company bringing in the same profit margin as before, which was a negative one.

 

In reality, the company needs the PPV show to increase its viewership by 150% or more on Wednesday nights in order to become a profitable company with a legitimate future. Can it happen? Yep. Is it a long shot? Bigger yep.

 

As far as AJ Styles goes, he asked to be moved to the X Division, and it's going to provide for better matches. I'm sick of seeing him stuck with slugs like Jeff Jarrett, and god knows JJ matches aren't going to draw. I think with the TV show going the way it is, we will reach a point one day where people realize that Impact! is better than the PPV, and the X title will have more worth than the world title.

 

More than ever, they need stellar matches on PPV. Styles can have 5-7 minute defenses on TV, but he needs hot 15-20 minute defenses every PPV show.

[Guest MikeSC]

People are going to make a huge deal out of the ratings for the first few weeks, but the bottom line is whether or not the show is bringing more buys. With ratings so low in the mid-day, they're not going to make any more money on advertising, so they need to recoup a lot of money on buys.

 

They need to recoup:

$36,000 a week to run the show

Plane flights for all the workers on the show, and the staff.

The cost to rent the place

The extra cost of the workers

Set, Pyro, Production, etc

 

For the 36k alone, they need to add 3600 more buys, which means the show needs to increase its viewership by about 48% to break even alone on the cost of running the show. I reached that figure using Meltzer's figure he emailed to some people a few weeks ago that the show was doing about 7,500 buys a week.

 

The extra costs are going to be quite significant too, to the point where they will probably (overall) have to increase their ppv viewership by 60-75% just to break even.

 

Now, we've broken even, but by breaking even on the TV show what have we accomplished? It's now back to square one, with the company bringing in the same profit margin as before, which was a negative one.

 

In reality, the company needs the PPV show to increase its viewership by 150% or more on Wednesday nights in order to become a profitable company with a legitimate future. Can it happen? Yep. Is it a long shot? Bigger yep.

 

As far as AJ Styles goes, he asked to be moved to the X Division, and it's going to provide for better matches. I'm sick of seeing him stuck with slugs like Jeff Jarrett, and god knows JJ matches aren't going to draw. I think with the TV show going the way it is, we will reach a point one day where people realize that Impact! is better than the PPV, and the X title will have more worth than the world title.

 

More than ever, they need stellar matches on PPV. Styles can have 5-7 minute defenses on TV, but he needs hot 15-20 minute defenses every PPV show.

They'd actually need to get FAR more than 3600 new buys, as they only get a percentage of the money from each buy.

 

TNA has to take JJ and yank him FAR away from the ME scene, as he is a horrid draw. They HAVE to push Kash and Abyss as ME level heels as they are the two best heels they have. They HAVE to reinstitute the open door policy to get fresh talent for their X Division. They HAVE to learn to not run good ideas into the ground (see X Cup). They HAVE to stop having so many promos as their guys suck at it. They HAVE to stop signing guys of virtually no value (see Fairplay, Johnny).

-=Mike

[TNABaddboi 0]

They'd actually need to get FAR more than 3600 new buys, as they only get a percentage of the money from each buy.

 

TNA has to take JJ and yank him FAR away from the ME scene, as he is a horrid draw. They HAVE to push Kash and Abyss as ME level heels as they are the two best heels they have. They HAVE to reinstitute the open door policy to get fresh talent for their X Division. They HAVE to learn to not run good ideas into the ground (see X Cup). They HAVE to stop having so many promos as their guys suck at it. They HAVE to stop signing guys of virtually no value (see Fairplay, Johnny).

 

I agree that Abyss should definitely be in the ME, but I'm not so sure about Kash. He's an excellent heel, but I think putting him there now would be too soon. They have to build him up some more first. Maybe a good run with the X title and then have him do the AJ leap.

 

And Jarrett should be in the ME scene, as he can be a valuable asset in putting guys over as legitimate. I will agree with you that he has had too many runs with the belt and in his last one, his number of actual defenses was laughable. But by the same token, his first reign did more to build up that title as important than anyone else who's held it and he had believable feuds with half the roster, from AJ all the way down to Disco F'N Inferno.

 

They don't need to push the open door policy because its better when they have a regular roster. They just need to sign the right indy talent and bring them in good spots.

 

And they do need to stop running things into the ground, because I'm sick and tired of the X Cup nonsense. By the same token, however, they have done a nice job of making cage matches and UX matches seem important by not busting them out every 3 weeks.

[Guest MikeSC]

I agree that Abyss should definitely be in the ME, but I'm not so sure about Kash.  He's an excellent heel, but I think putting him there now would be too soon.  They have to build him up some more first.  Maybe a good run with the X title and then have him do the AJ leap.

Too soon? Have him beat up Killings and, bam, he's a ME-level heel.

 

He's the best heel they have. By a healthy margin. Keeping him in the mid-card to avoid making Jeffy look EVEN WORSE is just sad.

And Jarrett should be in the ME scene, as he can be a valuable asset in putting guys over as legitimate.  I will agree with you that he has had too many runs with the belt and in his last one, his number of actual defenses was laughable.  But by the same token, his first reign did more to build up that title as important than anyone else who's held it and he had believable feuds with half the roster, from AJ all the way down to Disco F'N Inferno.

JJ is in the ME scene for ONE reason --- he's the head booker and his daddy started this.

 

The man has NEVER drawn, Not one ass is put in the seat nor one buy added to PPV because of him. His match w/ Raven did more to damage this company than any individual match this promotion has ever had.

 

He is a NEGATIVE impact on the promotion. But, since he's the head booker, nobody else will get the shot.

 

At least when Flair booked WCW, he provided entertaining shows.

 

Jeffy can't even deliver that.

They don't need to push the open door policy because its better when they have a regular roster.  They just need to sign the right indy talent and bring them in good spots.

The open door policy gave them Chris Sabin. It did them more good than almost any other move they made.

-=Mike

[TNABaddboi 0]

Too soon? Have him beat up Killings and, bam, he's a ME-level heel.

 

He's the best heel they have. By a healthy margin. Keeping him in the mid-card to avoid making Jeffy look EVEN WORSE is just sad.

 

Yes, he is an excellent heel. I'm not taking that away from him at all. And why can't you get it into your head that in today's TNA, just as it was in the beginning, the X-Division gets just as much as a push as the heavies. A solid feud with AJ and a run with the X belt will do more for Kash than a feud with Killings were neither of them has the belt. It's not like he's feuding with Erik Watts or some other worthless crap. He's feuding with the promotion's clear top star (based on tv time, merchanise and booking) and has had just as much time on Impact as Jarrett, Killings and Styles. Hell at this point, he's more recognizable to TNA's new audience that Raven is (just because they haven't really seen him yet, except for the package on last week's show). I'd say that a nice position for him. And in a while, I'm sure we'll see him in the World title mix. Throwing him in there now wouldn't be smart though, because he can do more for the X title's value, which they are clearly trying to re-establish.

 

The man has NEVER drawn, Not one ass is put in the seat nor one buy added to PPV because of him. His match w/ Raven did more to damage this company than any individual match this promotion has ever had.

 

Yes, the finish to Jarrett/Raven did burn out the Nashville crowd...but to say that match itself didn't draw is asinine at best. And has been pointed out several times, Jarrett had to go over because putting your title on a uncontracted talent would have been uncomparably stupid. Then they'd have been susceptable to being held up like WCW did when they took Awesome from ECW.

 

The open door policy gave them Chris Sabin. It did them more good than almost any other move they made.

 

Yes it did, but they could have brought in Sabin under the same policy they have now: tryout dark match leads to contracts. Bringing in random guy of the week will even further add to the problem of people not being able to identify with the wrestlers.