Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Too bad it'll never happen, but this is insane: A hypothetical Kerry-McCain ticket had a 14-point advantage over Bush-Cheney among registered voters, 53 percent to 39 percent, according to a recent CBS News poll. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/14/...p.ap/index.html Does McCain really have that much drawing power? Is he even remotely beatable if he runs in 2008? If I were Kerry at this point, I'd be promising McCain as much promiscuous anal sex as he wants in exchange for him becoming the VP. 53-39 is freaking Dukakis territory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I wonder what would happen if they did Bush-Giuliani against Kerry McCain? I figure McCain as a veteran gives Kerry more credibility in that category, and gives him strong support along the middle ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 That was the other angle I was thinking about. If, at the convention, Kerry pulls the McCain rabbit out of his hat, doesn't Bush have to respond with Guiliani? And if he does, does that kill his Religious Right base considering Guiliani's stances on abortion and gay marriage? If not, does that remove some of Guiliani's allure as a moderate Republican? The thing about McCain is that he doesn't really have to do anything other than what he's already doing: railing about campaign finance and the like, and just being a thorn in Bush's side. Guiliani might have to reinvent himself just to keep Bush's base intact, but that might ruin some of his attractiveness as a candidate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I still wouldn't vote for either ticket, and I am not sure while people would be so swayed by a VP candidate, unless they were counting on something tragic happening to the president. McCain is one of those things that may sound sexy at the moment, but it would end up turning into a Arnold/CA thing where it only takes a small amount of time to see the mistake that is truly was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Does McCain really have that much drawing power? Not really, no. Is he even remotely beatable if he runs in 2008? He won't run, now or ever. Full stop. This is the same phenomenon we saw in your farcical primaries: the guy most of your party favoured over President Bush was a hypothetical, an unnamed Democrat. When any of your candidates were actually named even Democrats didn't really want to vote for them. Same here. All you people seem to know about Senator McCain is that he wants to reform campaign finance laws, he's a "maverick" (actually, he usually votes the party line - the press just likes to paint its own pictures for its own purposes, and you lot buy it hook, line, and sinker) who ran unsuccessfully against the President in the 2000 GOP primaries (so I suppose you immediately leap to the conclusion that he must've become as bitter and megalomaniacally deranged as Al Gore), and oh yeah, he's a real war hero (as opposed to your nominee). Here's a clue: NARAL, Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, the NEA, the Teamsters, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, and anti-gun advocates, among many, many other liberal interests, regularly give Senator McCain a 0% annual rating on his voting record. That's zero percent. Zero. As in he voted the way Democrats approve of NONE of the time. None. Understood? He doesn't agree with you. He's a fucking conservative on every issue under the sun, and he doesn't like your ethanol bullshit either. The man is a goddamn Republican. He's not going to run as a Democrat. Frankly, I don't know what the hell you morons are smoking, but it says a lot about your hopes that your principal victory pipe-dream involves pimping the credibility and stature of someone on our team. Now I'm not sure if you're clear on the whole confusing concept of presidential elections, but see, usually they involve running with PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN PARTY. Because if the best guy you can find for a Democrat ticket, the best guy to embody Democrat values (isn't that a contradiction in terms?) is a REPUBLICAN, well, you're pretty much on your last legs. I mean it's pretty fucking sad. Do you see us going, "Well, the public isn't really excited about Vice-President Cheney... hey, let's call Mary Landrieu and see if she'll run on the GOP ticket, whaddaya say?" I'm really beginning to think you guys are trying to butcher and crucify yourselves well before November, very carefully and very deliberately, just to deprive us of the pleasure of beating you in a stand-up fight. You know you're going to lose, so you're not even going to get in the ring. Well, I think that's despicable and unfair, and really bad sportsmanship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Marney's right...McCain's only real cross of the party line is campaign finance reform, and for the record, Feingold is an ass. BTW, I know I can look it up, and will, but who was Dukakis's running-mate in 88? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Marney's right...McCain's only real cross of the party line is campaign finance reform, and for the record, Feingold is an ass. BTW, I know I can look it up, and will, but who was Dukakis's running-mate in 88? Lloyd Bentsen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Is there anyone in politics who gets a more universal blowjob from the media than McCain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaMarka 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Would Giuliani really hurt Bush? I mean, who else is the religious right going to vote for, Kerry? Some third party weirdos? Just throwing away their votes. I don't think Bush will lose that support unless he has a sex change and gets married to Marney or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Giuliani would probably greatly improve Bush's chances because it would probably make New York a winnable state for Bush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Ugh. No more McCain/Kerry talk. It will NEVER happen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Ugh. No more McCain/Kerry talk. It will NEVER happen... I heard on the news the other day that McCain OFFICIALLY turned down Kerry's offer like that was really a shock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Ugh. No more McCain/Kerry talk. It will NEVER happen... I heard on the news the other day that McCain OFFICIALLY turned down Kerry's offer like that was really a shock In other news, the sky is blue and cars can drive on roads. I like McCain, I'm not entirely sure why I like him but I like him. I'm beginning to the think the guy is a master of hypnosis or something. I think it's the little bit of charisma he has been showing AFTER losing to Bush that makes him tolerable to the American public. Sort of like Bob Dole, who may have had a chance in hell if he acted like he does now. Dole can be funny, which is a rather much shock considering he came off as a cranky old "YOU KIDS STAY OFF THE GRASS!" type of guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted June 15, 2004 The majority of Democrats like McCain because he's a moderate in a heavily populated Neoconservative Republican party... and because guys like MikeSC hate him. Thats almost a perfectly acceptable reason to like him period Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Well you liking McCain is almost, nah, it IS a perfectly acceptable reason to hate him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Well you liking McCain is almost, nah, it IS a perfectly acceptable reason to hate him... Im glad you don't like him because of me... it makes me feel better actually Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Umm, I think KKK was lacing that with SARCASM~! dood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Umm, I think KKK was lacing that with SARCASM~! dood ummm... so was I "dood" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cerebus Report post Posted June 15, 2004 "When I was in a Vietnamese prison camp I was kept in the dark and fed table scraps for three years. Why would I want to do that again as Vice President?" - John McCain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 The majority of Democrats like McCain because he's a moderate in a heavily populated Neoconservative Republican party... and because guys like MikeSC hate him. Thats almost a perfectly acceptable reason to like him period Nah, I loathe him because he has few beefs with attacking the First Amendment. He gets a free pass on it from the press because, shockingly enough, it makes the press more important. That, and the constant blowjobs the man gets from the press have gotten beyond old. If he HAD any drawing power, he wouldn't have been so soundly thrashed in the primaries in 2000. And what charisma has he shown? Dole always HAD the charisma --- the press just figured out their caricature of him and ran with it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Nah, I loathe him because he has few beefs with attacking the First Amendment. He gets a free pass on it from the press because, shockingly enough, it makes the press more important. This is probably the only thing I REALLY disagee with McCain about -- odd how Big Media loves him though, especially since he's got a hard-on for Campaign-Finance Reform. Dole always HAD the charisma --- the press just figured out their caricature of him and ran with it. Bob Dole didn't do Bob Dole any favors with his campaign, either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Nah, I loathe him because he has few beefs with attacking the First Amendment. He gets a free pass on it from the press because, shockingly enough, it makes the press more important. This is probably the only thing I REALLY disagee with McCain about -- odd how Big Media loves him though, especially since he's got a hard-on for Campaign-Finance Reform. Dole always HAD the charisma --- the press just figured out their caricature of him and ran with it. Bob Dole didn't do Bob Dole any favors with his campaign, either... Oh, Bob Dole's campaign was one of the first campaigns Bob Dole was ever associated with. But, he was always fairly witty. It's not like Bob Dole suddenly developed that after Bob Dole lost. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Bob Dole always had a quick wit and great sense of humor. It's too bad Bob Dole was more focused on saying, "Elect Bob Dole because Bob Dole served in Viet-- ,err, the Senate for 100 years. Bob Dole knows what Bob Dole is doing. And look, Bob Dole picked Jack Kemp to be Bob Dole's running mate because Bob Dole's 15 percent tax cut has the same number as Jack Kemp's football jersey..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Perhaps if Bob Dole could have had the same REAL questionable polling that the LA Times has showing Kerry in the lead (with a ridiculous sampling of the country), perhaps Bob Dole would have won. The "inevitability" of Bob Dole's defeat killed Bob Dole more than anything else. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 You mean this?... TWISTED: LA Times Poll Had Sample With 38% Democrats, 25% Republicans Tue Jun 15 2004 10:13:47 ET Sen. John Kerry "has taken big lead," according "to an L.A. Times poll." But the Times poll that showed Kerry "beating Bush by 7 points" has created a controversy over whether the poll's sample accurately reflects the population as whole, ROLL CALL reports on Tuesday. "Not counting independents, the Times' results were calculated on a sample made up of 38 percent Democrats and 25 percent Republicans -- a huge and unheard-of margin," ROLL CALL claims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 You mean this?... TWISTED: LA Times Poll Had Sample With 38% Democrats, 25% Republicans Tue Jun 15 2004 10:13:47 ET Sen. John Kerry "has taken big lead," according "to an L.A. Times poll." But the Times poll that showed Kerry "beating Bush by 7 points" has created a controversy over whether the poll's sample accurately reflects the population as whole, ROLL CALL reports on Tuesday. "Not counting independents, the Times' results were calculated on a sample made up of 38 percent Democrats and 25 percent Republicans -- a huge and unheard-of margin," ROLL CALL claims. That is exactly what Mike meant. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 I could conceivably find myself voting for a Kerry / McCain ticket...... ......Provided that Kerry promises to resign as President approximately two minutes after being sworn in. Write a contract. Make him sign an affidavit. Just so long as he promises to quit and go home and let McCain do the job. I think that's fair. After all, he would get a whole two minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Write a contract. Make him sign an affidavit. Just so long as he promises to quit and go home and let McCain do the job. But then he'll say he didn't promise before he made the promise... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Or he could do it and say he never agreed to it when he did agree to it. I'm with Marney on this one. What does it say when you wanna look outside your own party to find a VP? Whether or not Cheney steps out (fine if you consider the original reason was probably to lend an issue of experience to the Bush '00 ticket), they'll find someone credible to step in. Oh, and as for that poll, I had people laughing at me when I questioned it. "Of course not! You're just upset that Bush is losing." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2004 Hmmmm... Thanks for the tongue lashing, Marney! Too bad it'll never happen BUT!!! The man is a goddamn Republican. He's not going to run as a Democrat. Frankly, I don't know what the hell you morons are smoking, but it says a lot about your hopes that your principal victory pipe-dream involves pimping the credibility and stature of someone on our team. So... Too bad it'll never happen BUT I THOUGHT I SAID IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN OMG! Too bad it'll never happen But... Too bad it'll never happen No, but... Too bad it'll never happen Oh. Wait. But... wait... Could it possibly be... ...that I wasn't suggesting he should run on Kerry's ticket?!?! The point of the post--which, oddly enough, you seem to have misinterpreted (OMG@!!!!!!!!! Call the fucking presses, Marney's misinterpreting a liberal's post for the sake of bashing it!)--was to remark that McCain seems to have a rather large base of support. Was it a McCain BJ thread where I sulk at the fact that Kerry isn't getting the hyper glorious McCain vice presidency? No. I'm well aware of the Senator's record; believe it or not, I actually like... FOLLOW these things. However, the unique prospect of a bipartisan ticket seems to have a lot of drawing power amongst the public. As shown by this, also in the........ A hypothetical Kerry-McCain ticket had a 14-point advantage over Bush-Cheney among registered voters, 53 percent to 39 percent, according to a recent CBS News poll. Believe it or not, two people with names are not "unnamed democrat" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
