Guest FrigidSoul Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 When Mueller and Burks come back(should be soon since they're in Pawtucket right now) Red Sox need to trade Nomar for starting pitching and then go about trading Kim(who's actually pitching fairly good in Triple-A right now) along with a mid-level prospect for a first baseman.
KingPK Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I really hope the players get as pissed off over this loss as the fans will. I don't want Francona going on the radio and saying "Oh well, Ortiz just had a bad night, we'll get em' tomorrow with Kevin Millar batting in the cleanup spot."
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I really hope the players get as pissed off over this loss as the fans will. I don't want Francona going on the radio and saying "Oh well, Ortiz just had a bad night, we'll get em' tomorrow with Kevin Millar batting in the cleanup spot." a) if last night didn't fire them up, this won't b) Be fair to ortiz. the ball literally broke his glove. Not much you can do there.
Precious Roy Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 Sox should have brought Foulke in to start the 8th, he's capable of going 2 or 3 innings. They knew Williamson was hurt and you shouldn't trust Timlin in such a big spot, bad management IMO.
Precious Roy Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 ~GODZILLA! Shouldn't trust Embree either. Stupid BoSox coaches
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 Babe Bucky Buckner Boone Big Fatass* David Ortiz. *"Fat" can be replaced with "scary" Okay, I don't really mean it, but Kay mentioned something.
Guest Nelly's Bandaid Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 What a game! Heredia's "save", Sheff's battle, and the Sandman putting them to sleep. Gotta love it!
Fuzzy Dunlop Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I have to figure seeing the ball go past Ortiz would for Cubs fans be the equivalent of the whole team falling apart over something completely inconsequential and an error by our best defensive player for no reason. Whenever I see Boone, Buckner, or Bartman in a video clip I close my eyes and cover my ears.
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 How do they do that. There are alot of ghosts in Yankee Stadium. Ghosts of a lot of men who didn't particularly like the Red Sox.
KingPK Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 (edited) So the AL East is all but settled right now, unless the team as a whole gets off it's ass and realizes it is underachieving badly right now. And I now agree with FS: trade Nomar by the end of the month. He doesn't want to be here? Fuck him. *Sigh* when does NFL training camp start? Edited July 1, 2004 by Kingpk
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 So the AL East is all but settled right now, unless the team as a whole gets off it's ass and realizes it is underachieving badly right now. And I now agree with FS: trade Nomar by the end of the month. He doesn't want to be here? Fuck him. *Sigh* when does NFL training camp start? It's not over yet. And even if the East is, the Sox have a very viable alternative.
Precious Roy Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 And I now agree with FS: trade Nomar by the end of the month. He doesn't want to be here? Fuck him. It's funny, I thought Manny would be the one to sulk about the Sox trying to move him but it's been the complete opposite. Never thought Nomar would give up on the team.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 Two or three different sources are now saying Nomar will be gone by the trade deadline. Evidently he's been blaming others in the locker room, doesn't want to be around his teamates and is overall causing problems. Old man Gammons says Nomar hasn't only drawn the ire of ownership but also his teamates with his recent attitude. Right now I wouldn't be surprised to see Nomar, Kentucky Fried Kevin Millar, and Kim involved in trade talks. Infact, if Baltimore wants Ramiro Mendoza then they can give us Palmeiro. That solves first base.
Precious Roy Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I never thought Nomar would be like that, he's always seemed like a great team guy. I read a lot about how Ted Williams' death messed with his head, and he's obviously bitter about the Red Sox trying to trade him and upgrade at SS with A-Rod, but is it also possible that "the curse" has gotten to him?
the max Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I'd like Kevin "Hick" Millar gone. Guy can't play defense to save his life. Nomar is their biggest trade chip. They have to make a deal that will bring them a legit player. Let's not forget that brilliant 'Freddy Sanchez for Jeff Suppan' deal last year that made me lose faith in humanity. BK Kim can go fuck off to any team. I don't care either way. Everytime he plays for the Red Sox, it seems that he's earning his master's degree at the John Wasdin School of Blown Saves. I hope OMGammons is right and that Nomar is gone.
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I'd like Kevin "Hick" Millar gone. Guy can't play defense to save his life. I thought part of the Red Sox organizational philosophy is that defense doesn't really matter.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted July 1, 2004 Author Report Posted July 1, 2004 I'd like Kevin "Hick" Millar gone. Guy can't play defense to save his life. I thought part of the Red Sox organizational philosophy is that defense doesn't really matter. That's part of the so-called Moneyball philosophy, and its often misunderstood. Its not that defense is negligible. Its that defense can be measureable, and is often overstated. When a coach says "Player X saves 100 runs with his glove every year," that's an exaggeration.
alfdogg Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 BK Kim can go fuck off to any team. I don't care either way. Everytime he plays for the Red Sox, it seems that he's earning his master's degree at the John Wasdin School of Blown Saves. Didn't he flip the bird to the home crowd once last year when he was getting booed?
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I'd like Kevin "Hick" Millar gone. Guy can't play defense to save his life. I thought part of the Red Sox organizational philosophy is that defense doesn't really matter. That's part of the so-called Moneyball philosophy, and its often misunderstood. Its not that defense is negligible. Its that defense can be measureable, and is often overstated. I don't think you can overstate the value of defense. Baseball is one part hitting, one part pitching, one part fielding. Shoddy play in any of the three shoots the game to hell.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted July 1, 2004 Author Report Posted July 1, 2004 I don't think you can overstate the value of defense. Brad Ausmus. Doug Glanville. These are guys trumped as great defensive players, which they are, but their truly appalling offensive numbers more than negate their defensive value.
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 I don't think you can overstate the value of defense. Brad Ausmus. Doug Glanville. These are guys trumped as great defensive players, which they are, but their truly appalling offensive numbers more than negate their defensive value. And there are plenty of good offensive players that are liabilities on the field.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted July 1, 2004 Author Report Posted July 1, 2004 And there are plenty of good offensive players that are liabilities on the field. Yes, but not so much that they are a net liability to their team. Mike Piazza is not a good catcher, but his offensive abilities offset that. Same with Derek Jeter. And there is nothing wrong with a good gloveman if he can hit a little. Ozzie Smith was good enough with the bat to make his glove worthwhile. But when you hit as bad as Brad Ausmus, you hurt your team.
Dr. Tom Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 Infact, if Baltimore wants Ramiro Mendoza then they can give us Palmeiro. That solves first base. That would be even more profoundly stupid than trading a good prospect for a washed-up never-was middle reliever. What kind of a team would make THAT deal? Oh, right...
Guest Anglesault Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 And there are plenty of good offensive players that are liabilities on the field. Yes, but not so much that they are a net liability to their team. Mike Piazza is not a good catcher, but his offensive abilities offset that. Same with Derek Jeter. And there is nothing wrong with a good gloveman if he can hit a little. Ozzie Smith was good enough with the bat to make his glove worthwhile. But when you hit as bad as Brad Ausmus, you hurt your team. And when you field like David Ortiz, you hurt your team.
King Kamala Posted July 1, 2004 Report Posted July 1, 2004 As bad as Ortiz's fielding is, I think the fact that he is a a mothafucking RBI machine makes up for it. Here's how I'd have the Red Sox line up, Edit: In no particular order 1B-Mark Bellhorn (He's been learning 1B, might as well give him the nod. What's the other option? Dave McCarty?) 2B-Pokey SS-Nomar (Until traded) 3B- Bill Mueller (Youkillis in the mean time) LF- I really don't know. Kapler? CF-Damon RF-Manny DH-Papi I think the Sox should trade Nomar for Edgar Renteria straight up. It sounds like a trade stupid enough to work.
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