HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2004 Also if you go by the 30 wins means he's good then what if he only wins 16 to 17 games the next season? Is he suddenly a bad goalie because he didn't win 30 games again? Fact is, he could win 30 games then 17 then 24 then 30, etc. and it means nothing because you can't judge how good a goalie is by his number of wins. Wins are too inconsistent to solely base how good a goalie is. How many games did you watch Cloutier play BTW? If less then half then that's a big blah to your argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 15, 2004 My arguement is that I have watched him and that he is a good goalie. You pointing out stats hasn't proven anything. And I've watched him and say he isn't a good goalie. Is that somehow more meaningful to you? Yes, we just disagree. I just have a problem with people blindly pointing at stats and judging him. If you watch him and think he is bad, so be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 15, 2004 My arguement is that I have watched him and that he is a good goalie. You pointing out stats hasn't proven anything. But you can't even spell argument, but we should somehow take you to be a goalie expert I am a goalie, I've played hockey since I was 5, Im 20 now, that doesn't make me an expert on NHL goalies, obviously but my point is not that Cloutier is bad, im pretty sure if you've read the posts its mostly just saying he's average at best and wont take am to the promised land. And that he doesn't deserve his money, and you keep harping on 30 wins. It means nothing when you play with a team the calibre of the Vancouver Canucks, they probably scored 4-5 goals with those wins, and let me tell you who didn't score those goals... Dan Cloutier. I keep harping on that he is better than his stats and that compared to what otehr goalies make, he is worth 3 mill. The 30 wins is very secondary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 15, 2004 Also if you go by the 30 wins means he's good then what if he only wins 16 to 17 games the next season? Is he suddenly a bad goalie because he didn't win 30 games again? Fact is, he could win 30 games then 17 then 24 then 30, etc. and it means nothing because you can't judge how good a goalie is by his number of wins. Wins are too inconsistent to solely base how good a goalie is. How many games did you watch Cloutier play BTW? If less then half then that's a big blah to your argument. I watched every Canuck game last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=94973&hubName=nhl Roenick connected to betting service, and might have wagered over 100k in total. As long as he wasn't betting on NHL games (especially Flyers games) it's not a big deal IMHO, but if it turns out that he did bet on hockey games ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brush with Greatness 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2004 And in an eerie piece of news, coach Ivan Hlinka passed away from injuries sustained in a car crash. Ivan Hlinka Dies in Car Crash The weird part about this is that is just over one year ago that Herb Brooks died, also in a motor vehicle accident. Both men had led their respective countries to Olympic gold medals in what would have to be considered upsets (one moreso than the other). Hlinka probably has similar standing in the Czech hockey community as Brooks had in the United States hockey community as a result of their coaching exploits. Even stranger is that the man that succeded Brooks as coach of the Penguins around 2000, was none other that Hlinka himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 16, 2004 Vic Prospal got traded back to TB today for a second rounder. TB got him back because they rejected Stillman's arbitration at 3.9 mill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2004 TB got him back because they rejected Stillman's arbitration at 3.9 mill. I'm just glad that a team (that doesn't start with "Boston" and end with "Bruins") has decided to walk away from an arbitration hearing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kageho Report post Posted August 16, 2004 I certainly don't think Cory Stillman is worth that much. Heck, I don't think most players in hockey these days are worth more than 3 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2004 I can just see that reunion... "Hey guys, anything happen while I was in Anaheim?" "Oh, nothing much..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2004 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=95112 Original Stars Hockey League ... 6 teams, playing 4-4 hockey with shortened periods. Basically a glorified game of shinny. Not a bad idea, IMHO. I'm just pissed that there will be a team called 'Boston' but there won't be a team that plays in Boston. /still no word on Thornton's arbitration award. My guess: between $7 & 8 million per year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2004 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=95112 Original Stars Hockey League ... 6 teams, playing 4-4 hockey with shortened periods. Basically a glorified game of shinny. Not a bad idea, IMHO. I'm just pissed that there will be a team called 'Boston' but there won't be a team that plays in Boston. /still no word on Thornton's arbitration award. My guess: between $7 & 8 million per year They did this last lockout as well. Basically barnstorming pro hockey players... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins..._dough_for_joe/ or http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=95231 Joe gets $6.75 million ... pretty fair, I think. Well, more than he deserves in reality (no athlete should get that much scratch) but compared to some of the other awards, and other salaries, I think that Thornton did well (23% increase) and the team won't have to break the bank to sign him. Now, MOC, how about signing some players to play around him? Maybe win a playoff series one of these years?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 But they're fucked in the long run, as Joe and his asshole agent aren't budging from their original demands for a long term contract. It's too much money to tie up with one player that likely won't be very productive this season. MOC won't sign players to play around Joe until the last fucking minute. It's how we'll end up with another Marty LaPointe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=95329&hubName=nhl Flames resign Jordan Leopold, who was instrumental in the Flames run last year. Excellent offensive-defenseman, one of the best in the Western Conference. Flames have an excellent core of young defensemen, and if Suter can lock them all up long-term, lock up Iginla and Kiprusoff, and sign maybe two more offensive-minded forwards, Calgary could be a force. IMO, the best players still available... Wingers: Magnus Arvedson, Peter Bondra, Anson Carter, Pavol Demitra, and Glen Murray Centers: Jason Allison, Petr Nedved, Alex Zhamnov Defensemen: Dan McGillis, Mathieu Schneider, Jiri Slegr, Alex Zhitnik Goaltenders: Johan Hedburg, Steve Shields, Garth Snow, Kevin Weekes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2004 http://tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=95366&hubName=main Colorado signs Vincent Damphousse to a one-year deal. Excellent signing by Colorado. Damphousse has always been underrated, IMO, and it seems like they're certainly replacing Kariya and Selanne after last years debacle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 19, 2004 As a Canuck fan, Mathieu Schneider is by FAR the guy I want most. I wouldnt mind Allison, as long as its a production-based contract like Hasek got. Dan Mgillis and Pavol Demitra are also good fits, altho it think Pavol might want too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 19, 2004 Demitra will have to take a paycut. He's not nearly good enough to justify dropping ~6 million for. I'd make a long post about how some of those free agents would help the Bruins, but it's like talking to a wall with this fucking team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 23, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=95735&hubName=nhl Belfour needs back surgery. Apparently he has a bulging disc in his back that's causing discomfort, that's why he pulled out of the World Cup. http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=95580&hubName=nhl Rangers are close to signing Kevin Weekes. He can be a #1 for a team, given the chance. I wish the Rangers weren't the team that gets to showcase his talents. This would give the Rangers good goaltending depth, with Mike Dunham the current starter being there, and Dan Blackburn ready to come back after his injuries last year. I don't understand why they need to sign Weekes. Dunham is due to make over 3 million, Blackburn will make 825K this season, so why sign ANOTHER goaltender? I guess maybe to move one of them. They just drafted Al Montoya in the draft a few months ago, although nobody knows why. Montoya will probably go back to school this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted August 24, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=96002&hubName=nhl Kiprusoff gets a 268% raise from 800K to 2.95 million... Holy shit, that's a big raise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kageho Report post Posted August 24, 2004 That's because of the stats he put up and the fact that he pretty much backstopped his team to the Stanley Cup finals. Justified money spent? We'll see when he performs in the next season (be it this coming season, or after the lockout). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted August 24, 2004 http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=95580&hubName=nhl Rangers are close to signing Kevin Weekes. He can be a #1 for a team, given the chance. I wish the Rangers weren't the team that gets to showcase his talents. This would give the Rangers good goaltending depth, with Mike Dunham the current starter being there, and Dan Blackburn ready to come back after his injuries last year. I don't understand why they need to sign Weekes. Dunham is due to make over 3 million, Blackburn will make 825K this season, so why sign ANOTHER goaltender? I guess maybe to move one of them. They just drafted Al Montoya in the draft a few months ago, although nobody knows why. Montoya will probably go back to school this season. Since the Rangers don't play anything resembling defense, I guess they're going to stockpile goalies in the hopes that at least ONE of them will survive. Kind of smart. EDIT: One more thing, what are the 'Canes going to do in net? They got Gerber from Anaheim but what else do they have? They seemed hellbent on not resigning Weekes, so maybe they know something (other than $$$ issues) that we don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cue_meanie 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2004 They know from experience, that he's not good enough to be a starting goaltender in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted August 26, 2004 A question for everyone who said that Cloots aint worth 3 Mill. Is Kipper worth what he got? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2004 A question for everyone who said that Cloots aint worth 3 Mill. Is Kipper worth what he got? A raise increase of that much is lunancy. Seriously, I don't care if he is that good all the time. He went from a backup goaltender to playing 38 games in a season. How can you grant someone 3 million dollars for only 38 games? If it was the full season, then yes I could agree. Yes, he had a fabulous run in the playoffs, but it's still only while he was hot. Who's to say he'll preform as well next year? Worse, is what happens if we get the strike? Who's to say he'll even be near form when they get back? After this, I say that Cloots definitely deserves 3 million if a backup turned replacing starter gets 3 million. Hell, all starters should earn bare minimum of 3 million after this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2004 It's not really a big deal. If Kiprusoff ends up being a one year wonder, his contract's only for 1 year so it's not going to hurt Calgary any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2004 It's not really a big deal. If Kiprusoff ends up being a one year wonder, his contract's only for 1 year so it's not going to hurt Calgary any. He might fall under the "One great season" category, which had Theodore and Giggure. Flik, he did play 38 games, but he would have played around 50 if he wasn't injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cue_meanie 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2004 People really need to stop putting Theo with Giguere, in the "One good/great season". The guy has been the BEST player for Montreal for the past 4 years, including his "off" year of 02/03. Thats not a one year wonder, thats just getting recognized for it one year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2004 (edited) It's not really a big deal. If Kiprusoff ends up being a one year wonder, his contract's only for 1 year so it's not going to hurt Calgary any. He might fall under the "One great season" category, which had Theodore and Giggure. Flik, he did play 38 games, but he would have played around 50 if he wasn't injured. I'm not saying the 38 games is a problem since he played probably the best in goal that I've seen in a long time. Hell I'm not even saying it's the stats he put up. The problem I have is he was a backup till this past season. If he can do this again (having another great season), then I could see the justification of him getting 3 million. The problem is, this is totally unjustifiable of an increase in pay when you aren't guarenteed he'll be a one hit wonder. If it was two season of starting, then sure. I'd agree 3 million. Right now? Uh... I would've paid at most 2 million. I had a problem with Holik getting paid the obscene amount of money to play in New York. I have the exact same problem with this because it falls under the same category. He hasn't proven to be a starter until last year, and that might be because he just found his niche for a small sliver in time. And I agree with Cue Meanie. Never compare Theo with the rest of the one hit wonder goalies. His off year was just as much the fault of the defense in front of him as it was an off year for his tending skills (weren't the Canadiens like dead last in penalty killing as well that year?). Edited August 26, 2004 by Lightning Flik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smh810 0 Report post Posted August 26, 2004 Rangers bolster goaltending by signing Weekes August 26, 2004 NEW YORK (AP) -- Goaltender Kevin Weekes signed Thursday with the New York Rangers, who expect the unrestricted free agent to compete for the No. 1 job with Mike Dunham. Weekes set career highs in appearances (66), wins (23), shutouts (six) and goals-against average (2.33) with the Carolina Hurricanes last season. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. The seven-year veteran helped Carolina reach the Stanley Cup final in 2002, going 3-2 in eight playoff games with a 1.62 goals-against average and two shutouts. Weekes, 29, has already played for six teams and has a career record of 78-136-33. He was a second-round draft pick by the Florida Panthers in 1993. Thus introducing Glen Sathers new policy: affirmative action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
