Underrated Workers......

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Mine would have to be Hulk Hogan. Travelling around all the boards he gets shit on all the time but when you go back his matches are very solid. I think there is almost no one that can put together a match better than Hogan. Looking back through his first title reign there were some really decent matches.

 

I'd also say the Sheepherders/Bushwhackers as people seem to forget how much the WWF ruined them.

[Just John 0]

Dean Malenko. He always put on solid matches and brought some good moves. Dean usually gets mentioned when people talk about the best work from Benoit, Eddie, or Rey, but he seldom gets credit on his own.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

I think Hogan is terrible.

 

The sheepherders I'd agree with. Now they're stint as Buswackers was, well, yeah, awful, but early in their career, they were a brutal, ultra-violent team.

 

I think Tom Zenk was underrated as a worker. Watching some of his old AWA stuff, I was like, Wow, this guy could have been something.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Hogan has a horrible moveset but I've seen few wrestlers with a better sense of timing. Hogan matches always feature perfect comebacks for the face and gets the most out of a crowd. Also there are some very good Hogan matches from his WWF run. His match with Harley Race from a Saturday Night Main Event with great table spots, almost anytime he stepped in the ring with Paul Orndorff, the Savage matches, a few of the Bundy matches were surprisingly watchable and hell he even drug the Warrior to the 2nd best match of the Warrior's career.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Hogan killed credibility in pro-wrestling. His comebacks were far from perfect. They consisted of completely no-selling everything, thus destroying whatever the opponent had going. Ever notice how Hogan never had these great extended feuds, rather a steady stream of well built challengers who he would beat, and they would consequently disappear? That's because they were no longer a believable threat after he no-sold everything they had with his "superman" comeback. It's just not feasible that a guy gets pounded for 10 minutes, and then suddenly, none of that, along with on-coming offense, hurts anymore. I never bought it.

[Guest Ray]

Hogan killed credibility in pro-wrestling.

Yeah, NO ONE knew it was fake before Hogan came along.

 

 

Hogan bores me to death -- but he had a unique ability to connect with the crowd and was one of the biggest draws ever. That takes at least some talent.

 

They consisted of completely no-selling everything, thus destroying whatever the opponent had going. Ever notice how Hogan never had these great extended feuds, rather a steady stream of well built challengers who he would beat, and they would consequently disappear? That's because they were no longer a believable threat after he no-sold everything they had with his "superman" comeback. It's just not feasible that a guy gets pounded for 10 minutes, and then suddenly, none of that, along with on-coming offense, hurts anymore. I never bought it.

Yeah, Randy Savage, Curt Hennig, Andre...these guys never worked again because Hogan ruined their credibility. As far as guys "disappearing", they'd take a relatively useless big fat heel, build him up, feud him with Hogan and draw a ton of money, then move on to the next big fat heel. It's a formula that worked and drew money for years.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Yeah, NO ONE knew it was fake before Hogan came along.

 

 

So let's just have the guys zap each other with Lazer guns in the ring. I DON'T CARE that it is fake, but it takes away my enjoyment when they don't make it believable.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Yeah, Randy Savage, Curt Hennig, Andre...these guys never worked again because Hogan ruined their credibility.

 

So you're gonna tell me that those guys had long meaningful feuds with Hogan? Bull - it was built for one big match. That was it. I didn't say Hogan never worked with a great worker, I said Hogan was not a great worker.

 

As far as guys "disappearing", they'd take a relatively useless big fat heel, build him up, feud him with Hogan and draw a ton of money, then move on to the next big fat heel.

 

My point exactly.

 

Oh and by the way, this thread wasn't about if Hogan drew money, of course he did. The guy said he was an underrated worker, I disagree.

[algrim 0]

Somebody who deserves praise in his matches and doesn't get a lot of it was Barry Windham. Watching his early matches against Flair, he knew when to use the right moves at the right time. Other mentions should go to Jerry Lynn and Raven.

[Guest Ray]

So let's just have the guys zap each other with Lazer guns in the ring.

I don't like that crap either, but you can't blame Hogan for it.

 

So you're gonna tell me that those guys had long meaningful feuds with Hogan?

No, I'm telling you they didn't disappear and lost all their cred. And Hogan did wrestle Andre several times after Mania 3, as the fans demanded it.

 

Bull - it was built for one big match. That was it.

Where did I say it wasn't? I challenged the notion that Hogan ruined everyone he faced. Most of his feuds were "built for one big match" because that's what drew the big money.

 

My point exactly.

Your point was also that he ruined everyone's credibility, which isn't true.

 

Oh and by the way, this thread wasn't about if Hogan drew money, of course he did. The guy said he was an underrated worker, I disagree.

He is an underrated worker. Nearly everyone thinks of him as complete shit. He may bore me to tears, but the guy knew how to connect with the crowd, knew how to time his comebacks well, and created a character which drew absurd amounts of money for many years. That, takes talent. Talent, which he gets almost no credit for.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Hogan's underrated. That's true.

 

Johnny Smith is underrated. Smart in the ring, a great heel and a great talker.

 

Rip Rodgers is underrated or maybe I should say wasn't known enough

 

Edge is currently underrated by some of the people on this board.

 

The Big Boss man was a little underrated.

 

A-Train is underrated

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

Your point was also that he ruined everyone's credibility, which isn't true.

 

No it wasn't, but it sure does make the arguement easier if you misconstrue my points, huh?

 

He may bore me to tears, but the guy knew how to connect with the crowd

 

Apparently, not with me or you.

[Guest Trivia247]

People need to give Da Man his due!

 

and you know im talking about...

 

HAKU!

 

from his work with the Islanders to his matches as a singles wrestler. He was a great athletically sound wrestler.

[Guest Real F'n Show]

Psicosis/Psychosis

Jerry Lynn

Dean Malenko

Marc Mero

[Guest Ray]

No it wasn't, but it sure does make the arguement easier if you misconstrue my points, huh?

Who are you trying to fool?

 

You said:

 

"Hogan killed credibility in pro-wrestling. His comebacks were far from perfect. They consisted of completely no-selling everything, thus destroying whatever the opponent had going. Ever notice how Hogan never had these great extended feuds, rather a steady stream of well built challengers who he would beat, and they would consequently disappear? That's because they were no longer a believable threat after he no-sold everything they had with his "superman" comeback. It's just not feasible that a guy gets pounded for 10 minutes, and then suddenly, none of that, along with on-coming offense, hurts anymore. I never bought it. "

 

Apparently, not with me or you.

No, with the millions of people who paid millions of dollars to see him for 20 years.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

The comeback was part of Hogan's gimmick. He fed off the Hulkamania to come back stronger than ever and hit the boot/leg drop combo. I think Terry Funk may be or may have been underrated as a pure wrestler because ket's face it, when people think Terry Funk, they think garbage wrestling, but Terry was a prettty solid wretsler even into his 50s and I was really impressed when I saw him wrestle at Wrestlepalooza '97 and he put on a good match. I think his match on the Flair DVD helps, hence I say may have been. Same deal with Al Snow. I remember he wrestled HHH back in 2000 and busted out every single way to pin a man possible to try to get HHH. Otherwise, I cannot recall a time he's been allowed to show of how sound he is technically.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Shawn Michaels is disgustingly underrated.

 

Matt Hardy is very underrated

 

Waltman is underrated

[Guest Ray]

Shawn Michaels is disgustingly underrated.

You have to be kidding. He's one of the most worshipped wrestlers on the 'net.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Waltman is underrated

Maybe motivated Waltman, but not the Waltman that teamed with Justin Credible and got his ass kicked by his beastly wife.

[razazteca 0]

I did not care for the comedy gimmicks of Marc Mero as Johnny B Bad or "Mr. Sable" Wildman. Sable killed his career.

[deancoles 0]

Carl Oulette was good in his 93-95 WWF stint and yet his pirate gimmick is more remembered than his match against bret hart.I also thought that the Barbarian was better than his reputation and when he could be bothered his matches were quite watchable(Royal Rumble 91 and WM VII)

[King Cucaracha 0]

Windham and Haku are high on the list for me too.

 

Hogan is so underrated because he gets NO credit from anyone. You don't get that over without being a decent worker. whitemilesdavis... being a good worker isn't just about having ***** matches night in and night out. Good workers get the crowd interested in their work.

 

Personally though, the most underrated worker was Arn Anderson. His selling was always top-notch and he never got the recognition he deserved because he was always Flair's partner or stable-mate.

[Guest whitemilesdavis]

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No it wasn't, but it sure does make the arguement easier if you misconstrue my points, huh?

 

 

Who are you trying to fool?

 

You said:

 

"Hogan killed credibility in pro-wrestling. His comebacks were far from perfect. They consisted of completely no-selling everything, thus destroying whatever the opponent had going. Ever notice how Hogan never had these great extended feuds, rather a steady stream of well built challengers who he would beat, and they would consequently disappear? That's because they were no longer a believable threat after he no-sold everything they had with his "superman" comeback. It's just not feasible that a guy gets pounded for 10 minutes, and then suddenly, none of that, along with on-coming offense, hurts anymore. I never bought it. "

 

It killed his opponents as a legit threat to HIM. Hints why he never had extended meaningful feuds. He wrestled many talented guys who went on to great careers, but after he no-sold everything they had, noone believed they could beat Hogan. That's my point.

 

Also, you keep bringing up how much money he made. Of course he made money. He was a huge draw. Great Worker? Absolutely not.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

Hogan was pretty much capable, more so than was required of him.

 

Big Show is underrated. There is no way he should be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Giant Gonzalez.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Carl Oulette was good in his 93-95 WWF stint and yet his pirate gimmick is more remembered than his match against bret hart.I also thought that the Barbarian was better than his reputation and when he could be bothered his matches were quite watchable(Royal Rumble 91 and WM VII)

2 matches against Bret Hart There was one on Raw that was really sweet right after their PPV match.

[Guest Real F'n Show]

I did not care for the comedy gimmicks of Marc Mero as Johnny B Bad or "Mr. Sable" Wildman. Sable killed his career.

Underrated WORKER. I agree with the Sable part, but I actually liked the Wildman gimmick when he first came in at WM12. The Mero Sault and Wild Thing were my two favorite wrestling moves growing up, and the shooting star press remains a favorite today. I credit Marc Mero for introducing me to puro, also. I was talking to my friend once about how awesome the Wild Thing is, and he's like, you should check out Jushin Liger, this Japanese wrestler, he invented the Wild Thing. That's how I got into puro and eventually became a smark, oddly enough...

[Guest Rrrsh]

Shawn Michaels is disgustingly underrated.

You have to be kidding. He's one of the most worshipped wrestlers on the 'net.

There is more Michaels hate on this baord than any wrsetler in the WWE, sans HHH.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Waltman is underrated

Maybe motivated Waltman, but not the Waltman that teamed with Justin Credible and got his ass kicked by his beastly wife.

I meant 123 Kid Waltman.

[Guest Ray]

It killed his opponents as a legit threat to HIM. Hints why he never had extended meaningful feuds. He wrestled many talented guys who went on to great careers, but after he no-sold everything they had, noone believed they could beat Hogan. That's my point.

Sure it is.

 

Also, you keep bringing up how much money he made. Of course he made money. He was a huge draw. Great Worker? Absolutely not.

Because (1) The goal of WWF wrestling is to draw money, (2) Drawing money takes talent, (3) Hogan had that talent.

[Guest JerichosHi-Lite]

I always thought Test was pretty underrated. I'm not saying he's a definite World title contender or anything like that, but he gets a lot of shit from people. I think, if given decent chances, he could've actually been some sort of a success.