Storm Comments

[Toxxic 0]

Yeah, I said "to", don't get excited.

 

Nice show - even Dace promo'd and you know there's something in the water when that happens. Kudos to the victors, Sean Davis gets respect for a good debut win, Johnny beats a behemoth and the Wayward Sons gets their respective arses handed to them.

 

Oh and Tom? I'm aware that Landon finished off that tag match, but please realise that you will SUFFER for using the Caffeine Bomb on me.

 

Just probably not in this ten-man, cos that's just WRONG.

[King Cucaracha 0]

I meant to PM you about that Toxx to check if it was ok, but...I got busy so I just ran with it. Glad to see there's no problems over it. Basically, I got stuck for an ending and remembered Tom's match against Johnny, and figured the whole 'anything you can do' thing would work.

 

As for the show...better than I was expecting. Considerably better. I'm sure Dace'll comment on everything properly, but kudos to Davis from me too as that was a very respectable first match.

[Toxxic 0]

Well, I'd have preferred if you'd PM'd me - but then again it's Flesher who's going to suffer. So why worry?

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

I liked the tag match...

 

Sorry for the noshow, unfortunately Toxxic and I were unable to coordinate an effective strategy before I took off to visit my sister. More comments to come... but Toxxic... Just fire right back at him with a Boilermaker.

[Dace59 0]

Comment time:

 

Intros are up first. Someone's breaking out the funny signs again. Always nice to see. And a little promo from Sean Davis. Always important to set up new characters and good to see the n00bs giving input.

 

Opening match. Ok, Trapt is a wussy ass band for some big man to be using, but anyway. Certainly not lacking in description like a lot of n00b matches do, which is a change. Definatly not dry and easy to read so far, also with a good grasp of Comet and Riley. But the full song lyrics being qouted should be left for the PPV. Very slow and stalling start, and all the desc that doesn't talk about the action makes it seem even slower. That's a good thing, for now anyway. Nice blanace between the two, with Gilbery playing hit and run heel style on the big man. Walking a fine line with the description, it's good to see but too much is a bad thing. Very dusty match as the managers start beating on each other as well. Gilbert goes flying but Davis is too tough and squashes him in about three moves. Pretty good opening match, only down side being that hardly anything happens wrestling wise even with the low limit.

 

And match number two. I like the Batman and Robin joke, another nice comparision between Comet and Riley. Nice bitter of banter to build this match up and pimp both guys out. Nice change of pace in the match start up and showing Sly to be the more agreesive sort of heel when it suits him, with the language showing this isn't something that common. Dustin shows off some of the flash and effective flying of his last match with a sunset flip out of the corner. I mark for the Cocky Pin and Sly again moving into the cocky heel role. Little rib work without breaking into power stuff. Dustin comes back with his speed again, setting up a balance between these two that isn't just speed verus speed. Dustin makes a leap of offense with the old sudden roll up of doom for a close fall. Doesn't seem to be selling the rib work though, boo and hiss. But Sly's had enough, getting the title from NTD and taking out Dustin even thouhg he gets DQed. Looks like something might come from this. Nice little story and the DQ ending is to further Sly's character rather than just a lame screwjob, good good.

 

Elimation Six Man Tag of DOOM~! Intros are the old, crap get everyont out fast and clean but they're nothing to bad and they do get everyone out. Opening stuff is a little dry, not much desc of how one thing moves to the next it's solid. King's ego running again, not letting Manson break up the cover because he thinks he doesnt need anyone. No one seems to like each other and that's right, as Petey gets KOed going for the tag out and Manson manages to pin him. About the only thing that could be done with the manic booking of this match. Blind tag from Manson and King almost gets taken out on the outside before Kelly saves him. There's a bit of a lack in what the crowd feels most of the time along with a lack of exsention from the basic description. Doesn't seem like that much of a tag match either, with team mates attacking each other all over the place. Munich gets counted out and Hunt goes to work on Manson and his knee. Manson quickly taps out. Now it's down to two men and into back and forth action. Kelly just save's King's ass as usual from Hunt's finisher but she's not fast enought to save him from the second one. The writing is growing, but a match like that isn't the best one to show it on. Not the best handled of Six Man's in the fed, but soild for someone new.

 

Small and crappy promo from me because I needed to say something.

 

US Title Match Time. Alan Clark wants his belt back...but the poor Wayward Sons are getting ripped on, with the wit that TMM has down to an art almost. Things look like they're going to start out fair, til TMM proves there's no chance of that. TMM definatly has all the writing down and this looks to be an old fashioned brawl to start with. Clark goes for the knee for that Wrath of Clark, shocking game plan that. TMM goes to the outside at lets Clark make mistakes on the chase before taking him back in and grounding him, slow, heelish, middle weight...TMM rocks. Clark struggles out and goes straight back to the knee, almost unphased by the facelock but TMM still fight backs, being in better shape that Clark. TMM continues his style of playing off mostly serious action with mostly comedy comments, which really works with Riley and Comet. TMM goes after the neck again, elbowing out of the suplex and hitting a tornado ddt. Chinlock, fights out, counted but with the bad leg and we have selling of doom as Clark goes after the leg again. Clark dodges a pair of kicks then flips out of a German Suplex, bringing the speed advantage over Mask's mat skill. More knee work, but the Fisherman's Knee Crusher is countered and the German Suplex conects, working the neck again. TMM goes on a run, but uses the injured leg again and it's even covered in the desc, so it makes sense and isn't a glaring logic error. TMM stalls on the outside...Clark fakes a dive and scores with a double ax handle, another speed advantage spot. TMM blocks and nails a Clark on the neck again. Reverse Brainbuster blocked, Dimaond Cutter blocked in a nice double twist. Wrath of Clark, but they're still by the ropes and it's broken. And finally TMM stops using his injured leg to block a corner charge and just goes postal on Clark's head. Reverse Brainbuster to cap it off and it's over. I really liked the story with the leg as I didnt see it coming til the end and it was just below the surface and made the finish work. TMM keeps walking the comedy/serious line and pulls it off very well.

 

Tag Team Title goodness now. HB certianly have quite a hold over the tag titles as of late, as the Wayward Sons are stepping up to try and claim the belts. Nothing fancy in the intros, just getting both teams out to start the match. Bit of suffling around to start things off and Ced gets pasted with a Powerslam, MVS playing a power guy against the cruiserweight. Edwards tries to break it up, allowing MVS to go all Memphis Heel, choking Ced on the ropes. Todd comes in but he's not fast enough to keep up with Ced straight on and gets flipped flopped all over. But then Todd stops short and just plastered Ced in true heel style. More work and tag back to Mike as Ced tries to fight back. Mike whipping Ced across the ring gives him the speed he needs to go flying again and this time connects with a rana, playing off the opening spot. No hot tag this time, instead Ced gets a tag to Eddy J, which is odd, as Ced being worked over and finally making a hot tag to his stronger team mate is more the plan, but we'll see. MVS and Todd certainly jell as a team, though and the only thing they lack is building more selling and deeper psych. Mike cheats his way out of Edward's offence to take control again, but it does high light Edward still moving away from his lack luster roll and personna. But then Edwards over powers Mike and takes him down. Again a Wayward Son misses an Avalanche in the corner and Mike again dropkicks him down but it's no good. But Mike outwrestling James again and scores a Backdrop Suplex before repeating the go home spot from their last tag match. But this time Edward is fired up and just flattens Mike. Cover, kick out and Todd dives in with a heel save. Tag Champs retain. Nice match, lacking on a few psych threads which they dont type up, but with the story, breaking from the tag base formula does work and helps to carry the story along mostly.

 

Promo time. Much More Maddix and Pepsi Max! Maddix runs his ego again, and draws parrallel's between not getting a shot at the CW title when Johnny had it and now Johnny not getting a shot at the ICTV title. And then about his history against Aecas (and that FBTW match that ruled!) Maddix makes a few jokes he only could being a Birt really, like the football one about Toxxic, even with the fanit hint of respect for a heel he's never crossed paths with. Maddix's character is definatly growing these days and it really helps him.

 

Cage match of doom with dodgy rules. Johnny plays the fast man, trying to keep away from Aecas and take him down with speed because he knows a one on one fight will see him killed. And after early control that happens, Aecas scoring two back breakers, a huge german and even a chokebreaker, all for close falls. But then johnny restores to a low blow to escape because he'd written himself into the corner and there was no way he could believable get out. But WTF is with Johnny climbing back into the cage? Having Johnny just help Aecas back up and start from standing would have made much more sense. But still, they start off again and Johnny gets flattend againt for more close falls. A huge Yakuza Kick but Johnny is still kicking out. But then Johnny suddenly fights back, and even after all the damage he's taken, he's some how strong enough to slam Aecas. Death From Above and Johnny escapes, almost quickly. Eh, I didnt like the way that was handled. As there's almost no selling of all of Aecas' high end offence on Johnny and he's still moving fast and flying at the end of the match.

 

And now for the main event...the tornado tag match of ultimate death. Toxxic and Drazon have to work together...oh fun. Only Megan is out with Maddix...probably just to keep the number of people in this clusterfuck down. And Uber ego intro ROCKS for Flesher and Maddix. Dunno if the team would work long term, but as a one off thing, it works very well. The Dream Team with the whole round of golf claps after the opening stop just shows them off so well. But then Toxxic breaks on of his own rules and just low blows Flesher to scramp back into the match. Man this match is mad, as all four guys break out all the stops. Drazon taking out Flesher and Maddix with a suicide dive. Toxxic just targetting on Flesher, to hype up the title situation and cracking nice English Football joke aswell. Flesher breaks out a rare enzuigiri to take Toxxic down, playing his own game. Just having Maddix/Drazon brawl and playing off the Boiler Room Brawl that it can happen leaves Toxxic and Flesher to almost have a straight match. Flesher outwrestles Toxxic easily but Drazon breaks it up. Very out of character, Flesher tries to beg off. Toxxic and Drazon just about manage to work together to make the double team on Flesher and control him. Flesher ducks a kick into a sleeper only to take an Enzui-Lariat then sends both men flying. Maddix tries to go flying on Drazon, but he gets caught, and then again, getting thrown over the ropes onto Flesher and Toxxic..nice spot. Maddix comes back in only to get planted to set up the Shining Black up Flesher trips him up. By using a few nice spots, this match is playing out as a set of one on one matches at some points and as a normal tag match at others. Toxxic chair shot, Flesher chair shot, almost a bit of self paraody that makes these matches funny. Drazon tries to take Flesher on, but gets three Railgun suplexes for his troubles, showing he's still better. But then Drazon tries to copy him, going for the same spot, only to take a classic Flesher low blow. Toxxic superkicks his own partner (shocking!) But just nails the Underkill on Flesher then the triple jump moonsault for a close fall that gets broken up. Maddix takes Toxxic down and goes on a run only to get flatten by a returning Drazon. Maddix repays Toxxic for the charishot, only to get plastered. Toxxic back against Flesher, and the Discus Combo gets cut of again and just drills Toxxic for a close fall. Toxxic flips out of the German only to land straight on a low blow as Flesher gets fancy. DVD for another close fall. Again show that Toxxic may be flashy and upcoming, but in this virtual one on one setting, Flesher is the better fighter and wrestler. Toxxic just fights back with his speed, surprising Flesher. Springboard Rana but Toxxic gets planeted and almost wrapped up but Toxxic fights out only to get nailed again for another close fall. Toxxic desperatly battles to not get tied up like a pretzel, but Flesher out moves him again and hits a Caffine Bomb on Toxxic for the win. We have build to the coming clash over the title. This is gonna be interesting. Not as much as a clusterfuck as I would have thought and turning it into singles matches at some points made it work much more.

 

Man...show of doom in places. Man the 10 man tag on the next show is gonna kill me.

[Secret Agent 0]

Dace, you should really watch more wrestling. These guys I watch take a beating the whole match and suddenly EXPLODE~! back to life quick as they ever were. Not to mention, I slopped that match together in about 2 hours, so if its lacking thats why.

 

PLUS, writting a match full of guys clenching their backs and selling everything is boring to write. Sorry you didn't like the way it was handled, but it obviously got the job done which is all it was intended to do.

 

Thanks.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

"Dace, you should really watch more wrestling. These guys I watch take a beating the whole match and suddenly EXPLODE~! back to life quick as they ever were. Not to mention, I slopped that match together in about 2 hours, so if its lacking thats why.

 

PLUS, writting a match full of guys clenching their backs and selling everything is boring to write."

 

 

 

 

Where should I start on this? There's the simple character fact that your guy is a cruiserweight, and the other guy being a big man... noselling his high end offense is ridiculous.

 

Most cases somebody takes a beating like that, it's either a total shitbrick of a match, or it's beatdowns the character is well known to absorb.

 

Wrestling is termed fake for the main reason that the moves are all choreographed... however those moves do tell a story. To not have the psychology or the reasoning to support it, makes the match far less tolerable then it should be, and often an insult to the readers/viewers who are taking in the information. The choreography is there for a purpose, to help the people read what is going on. It is there to simulate two wrestlers, who are beyond punching and kicking, and create a story of a match on who is truly the better competitor.

 

And hell... it also totally kills the other character. If he has to dish out all he has, and the wrestler pops up like nothing happened to him... all it does is make the guy look like a bitch, and makes the story of the match a pile of bullshit.

 

 

 

As for the boring bit... well why on earth is common sense boring to people? When you get your leg beaten down, the nervous system responds by repairing the leg. In this process, your use of the leg needs to recuperate. It is not a process that happens in ten fucking minutes.

 

 

I don't feel like talking anymore, I'm sure somebody else can tear into this if they want.

[Secret Agent 0]

If I find it boring to write than I find it boring to write, quite simple really.

 

And no, I don't think i need to have them limping the whole match and what not. I have only watched WWE/F and WCW. Never does Benoit, Angel/whoever work anyones neck over, or their ankles before they slap on a submission. They also don't go around selling the whole damn match... unless you call Michaels bleeding liek a stuck pig selling that is. Thats what I draw my experiences from. You guys write what works for you, and I'll do the same.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

If you wouldn't want them limping the whole match, then why on earth would you put in a hurt limb? Seriously... what is the point? It adds nothing to the psychology of a match

 

 

The matches here tell a story. Quite simply. It is a simulation of a battle that invokes a crowd response. Moves are the way the story is told, combined with the emotions of the character. The crowd should be able to judge how the man will react to some spots(assuming they care about the character) and in order to do that, they at least have to have a grasp of understanding on what is going on.

 

 

You noselling the offense both ruins the story, and eliminates the point to the character. One loophole to it, is saying your character has an adrenaline rush aka second wind... but even that has to be properly told. Most of those matches where the wrestler pops up, they are in a situation similar to that, but sell if the time is right.

 

 

Johnny Dangerous is not an Ultimate Warrior. Not a Hulk Hogan. Not a Goldberg... because reactions like that kill the other character. No matter how bad you want it to be like that, there is a certain respect we have for other peoples characters and movesets.

 

 

 

 

As for the Benoit and the neck bit... Answer me this... WHAT THE FUCK DOES HE DO ALL THOSE SUPLEXES FOR!!!?

 

As for Angle... when he goes to apply the hold early on... it is countered. You know why? Because the other wrestler is strong enough to resist it! Later on, they are more tired, not thinking as much, and they can be trapped on the leg, which doesn't have as much energy to resist.

[Secret Agent 0]

Fair enough.

[Guest Aecas]

Well I've now returned from the LARP event I was at and to my chagrin I discovered that the marker for the match had been changed from Chris3.

 

Obviously not being near a computer I couldn;t re-send the match so I'm afraid Johnny won this by default which is a shag because I was looking forward to going up against him again.

 

Nevertheless, well done Johnny now have a good crack at Maddix.