razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 That philosphy might work since in theory, at least Owens would not get double teamed on every down. Throw a few short passes to the RBs and TEs then when the defense is not looking throw it long to TO for the TD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 It isn't even questionable that barring injury, Portis, under Gibbs will get 25-30+ touches a game and will be the horse of the offense. Gibbs is all about running the ball to set up the playaction pass. That is his bread and butter and it is what brought 3 Superbowl Trophies to DC. Portis will be a pick well worth it, and seeing as I am sitting at #4, There is a very good chance I will get to pick Portis. I don't know. The Washington line was terrible last season and they've done nothing to improve it. How's Portis supposed to do anything when guys are already on him by the time he has the ball. I mean Ramsey got absolutely killed last year due to this line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 It isn't even questionable that barring injury, Portis, under Gibbs will get 25-30+ touches a game and will be the horse of the offense. Gibbs is all about running the ball to set up the playaction pass. That is his bread and butter and it is what brought 3 Superbowl Trophies to DC. Portis will be a pick well worth it, and seeing as I am sitting at #4, There is a very good chance I will get to pick Portis. I don't know. The Washington line was terrible last season and they've done nothing to improve it. How's Portis supposed to do anything when guys are already on him by the time he has the ball. I mean Ramsey got absolutely killed last year due to this line. They haven't? Obviously you didn't know Joe Bugel is now the Offensive line coach, who took a bunch of average players in the 80's and made them the Hogs, which was arguably the most dominating offensive line ever. I would say that is an improvement. Also, how do you keep your offensive line from sucking under Steve Spurrier when the Defense just sends 8 guys on a blitz every play cause they are anticipating the pass? Different coaches will make a huge difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Trung Canidate still had 4.2 YPC last year(not great but not awful either) and considering the upgrade Portis is, I wouldn't be surprised to see him do a 4.6-4.8 YPC for the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Just because he did it with a group in the 80s doesn't mean he's going to be able to do it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 That philosphy might work since in theory, at least Owens would not get double teamed on every down. Throw a few short passes to the RBs and TEs then when the defense is not looking throw it long to TO for the TD. except McNabb has this nasty habit of one-hopping routine passes to wide open recievers. McNabb is a playmaker, but he is not one of the more accurate passers, but he is forgiven because of his explosive rushing ability, but when you break down his passing alone, he is not elite. I am just waiting for McNabb to one-hop a ball to a wide open Terrell Owens and watch that relationship melt away on the sidelines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Just because he did it with a group in the 80s doesn't mean he's going to be able to do it again. Ok, but changing the entire offensive scheme to one that you know, actually WINS GAMES in the NFL, also has quite the effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I'll believe it when I see it. I still need to see if Portis is for real or if he was just a product of the Denver system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Terrell Davis = 4.8 YPC while with Denver(4 full seasons) Olandis Gary = 4.2 YPC with Denver in 1999(12 games) Mike Anderson = 5.1 YPC with Denver in 2000 Clinton Portis = 5.5 YPC with Denver(2 seasons) Makes you wonder if it really is a product of the offensive line... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I'll believe it when I see it. I still need to see if Portis is for real or if he was just a product of the Denver system. Care to break down the "Denver System" for me? Seems to me they have a system where the offensive line opens holes and running lanes for Portis, that isn't much different from most "systems" so it comes down to Coaches and players, which Washington has. Also, keep in mind Portis did this with Jake Plummer(lol) behind center. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I'm going by the fact that Denver has had some real scrubs behind the line like Gary and they always look like a million bucks behind that line. Denver always has a RB putting up big numbers so I tend to think the system produces a favorable situation for any running back with halfway decent speed. And understand I'm just a paranoid fantasy owner when it comes to things like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I'm going by the fact that Denver has had some real scrubs behind the line like Gary and they always look like a million bucks behind that line. Denver always has a RB putting up big numbers so I tend to think the system produces a favorable situation for any running back with halfway decent speed. And understand I'm just a paranoid fantasy owner when it comes to things like this. The Redskins won the Superbowl in 87, with Timmy WHO? Smith at RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I don't think Portis is a product of Denver's line, but I do know that he struggled with injuries last year, and will have a much bigger workload this year. He's tiny for a halfback, honestly. that said, I think he's a good pick at 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 that said, I think he's a good pick at 4. 4th picked for RBs, or fourth overall? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightning Flik 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Ok, so apparently Yahoo's still being a dumb ass about teams, so I really need one more person to show up for the Yahoo H2H League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 If anyone can't make the draft live, you should definitely go to the fantasy home page and edit the pre rankings. While the first 2 picks are dead on and the the first 6 are solid, the rest of the rankings are VERY suspect and I'd be mad if that's how I were to be drafting. Here are yahoo's top 25 in order.. 1. P. Holmes 2. L. Tomlinson 3. D. McAllister 4. A. Green 5. S. Alexander 6. J. Lewis 7. S. Davis 8. E. James 9. C. Portis 10. R. Moss 11. M. Faulk 12. T. Henry 13. M. Harrison 14. R. Williams 15. T. Holt 16. D. Culpepper 17. F. Taylor 18. C. Johnson 19. S. Moss 20. C. Dillon 21. K. Barlow 22. A. Boldin 23. H. Ward 24. P. Manning 25. D. Davis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I'd definitely pre-rank if you won't be there for the live draft. Peyton behind guys like Santana Moss and Anquan Boldin is laughable at the very least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Q: Assuming that Priest Holmes and LaDainian Tomlinson are off the board, who's your selection if you've got the third pick? The Washington Redskins have one of the top O-lines in the league. And Joe Gibbs has proven that he can orchestrate a top-notch running game. Clinton Portis suffers little in his move from Denver to Washington. I'm making him my No. 3 choice. That being said, Shaun Alexander, Ahman Green, Deuce McAllister, Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams and Edgerrin James are the running backs in the rearview mirror that are even closer than they appear With a strong supporting cast that will only get better, meaning that Darrell Jackson and 2003 sleeper Koren Robinson will get over the dropsies, Shaun Alexander is primed for a monster year. Last year, Alexander flew under the radar with all the love poured upon Matt Hasselbeck. You have to go a step deeper to evaluate Alexander's fantasy value in 2003. He was held without a TD in only four games, meaning that his TD total was not a product of a single huge game. Sure, everyone loves to pile on the points, especially when you're playing against the boss. But in head-to-head leagues, a win is a win is a win. This isn't the BCS. Yahoo sports Mike Harmon and Matt Romig There is alot of love for Shaun Alexander and Clinton Portis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Their numbers speak for themselves. Alexander has had double digit TD's the last 3 seasons. Portis could've had Tomlinson/Holmes numbers if he would've played all 16 games. There is a natural hesitation about Portis because he is going into a new system, but he should still be an effective back, a definite top 6'er. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 well razteca, that quote in your post, pretty much backs up what I was trying to explain earlier to Mad Dog, about the Gibbs/Bugel coaching abilities as far as the offensive line goes. They take averge players and make then probowlers and take great players and make then HOF'ers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I wouldn't trust Edgerrin James at all. He's way too injury prone for me to even consider taking him unless he's around late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I wouldn't trust Edgerrin James at all. He's way too injury prone for me to even consider taking him unless he's around late. I totally agree.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I would take Edgerrin James over Eddie George maybe in the 3rd round if I needed a 2nd RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I would take Edgerrin James over Eddie George maybe in the 3rd round if I needed a 2nd RB. over Eddie George, definately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 George isn't even on my draft board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I need to start doing my pre-drafts. I am signed up for 4 leagues, and haven't pre-ranked ANY yet.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 I'm eliminating George off of my list in my prerankings unless he scores a home, and even then I may still leave him. I'd take crackhead Willie Green, who probrably won't even play over Eddie George. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Fred Taylor, Corey Dillion, Michael Bennett, Dominque Davis, Kevin Barlow, Garrison Hearst, Lee Suggs, Charlie Garner, Rudi Johnson, Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett are all on my draft board well before Eddie George. EDIT: Even Marchel Shipp even though he'll have to wait to play and Green's probably going to be passing every play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 So you picked several platoon running backs over the man who carried the Titans his whole career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2004 Problem is he isn't carrying the Titans anymore. Is he even on a team right now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
