What program will HHH suck the heat out of next?

[The Robfather 0]

I knew Triple H would ruin Eugene, I just knew it.

 

I miss Eugene wrestling mid-card matches, being paired with Regal, and making me feel good about being a wrestling fan. Now he's being played as a fool and its no fun to watch.

 

I know Triple H is trying to break Flair's world title record, I know its going to happen, but why does he have to ruin everything else? I don't give a damn if I'm labeled a HHHater or not, but this has pissed me off.

 

Fuck The Lame.

[NoCalMike 0]

The Problem with the Eugene saga is that either way, Triple H is coming out ahead, whether it is heel with the belt, or a face turn and an immediate status as #1 babyface vs. New Evil Evolution with Evil Eugene.

 

Eugene was just fine as the "slow guy" that could actually wrestle. The Eugene character was right where it belonged, MIDCARD, now it is getting all this attention because Triple H found a way to have it benefit himself, yet right on cue, Eugene will be forgotten about and depushed back down to the midcard when Triple H has exhausted his use of him.

 

The 2 big points I have a hard time with are:

 

1) The Eugene character has no business in the main event

 

2) Triple H once again leeching off of others heat to put himself back in the spotlight.

[benoit4hor 0]

What other program really has heat?

[NoCalMike 0]

What other program really has heat?

Well Eugene had heat in the midcard, and the main event picture will always have default heat since it is after all the MAIN EVENT, so in otherwords, Triple H sacrificed would could have been something to keep the Midcard entertaining, in order to give himself more heat.

[King Cucaracha 0]

and making me feel good about being a wrestling fan.

I feel better watching Eugene being manipulated by an evil heel around my non wreslting fan friends than I do watching Eugene 'do the funny'.

 

At least with Triple H's part, you can point out that there's an interesting story. Before, it was just 'yeah, he's a ratard so he does funny stuff'. The non-fan friends who ever saw a Eugene skit were like 'I laughed, but then I stopped and wondered why.' Or they started reminising about the days of Doink The Clown and I.R.S.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

I'm think a lot of people view the end of the WWE as the day Triple H realizes he himself is to over for his own good and buries himself in some odd, 40 minute promo completely done in the 3rd person.

 

I don't mind it, but the Eugene character is just too dangerous to be involved in something this serious that isn't done to near perfection. Probably a bit too early as he could of really gotten over more doing a 1-2 month stint of random Raw/Heat and House show matches after the Bischoff/Regal thing.

 

Hopefully they wrap most of this up at Vengeance. I wouldn't be suprised to see them kill the entire thing by saying it was a ploy by HHH and Bischoff to cost Benoit the title, the timing works out alright and with the quick turn of the crowd last night they might be feeling a little heat where there sitting. It would be safe and smarter long term but I'm sure no one wants to see that yet if at all.

[NoCalMike 0]

At least with Triple H's part, you can point out that there's an interesting story. Before, it was just 'yeah, he's a ratard so he does funny stuff'. The non-fan friends who ever saw a Eugene skit were like 'I laughed, but then I stopped and wondered why.' Or they started reminising about the days of Doink The Clown and I.R.S.

That's just it though, I don't feel that "find another way to get Triple H over" an interesting story. Not that I was EVER fond of the Eugene character to begin with, but he did get pops and could have been utilized to get the midcard scene over a bit more then it is now.

 

See the thing is, Eugene, no matter what impact he has on the current angle, will be lost, shuffled, trashed etc.....after his use is up. Look at Jericho, sure the smarks love him, but the Marks could probably care less about whether he was around or not, and this was a guy who WAS the first unified champion. Don't tell me Y2J's pops prove otherwise, because a pop is just a pop and anyone can get pops.

[Guest Staravenger]

Can someone defend how Eugene doing meaningless mid-card matches and comedy with regal over and over again gets people over?

 

For example: Booker T & Goldust. Every week did hilarious sketches, but did that actually do anything for them? All they did was job to Three Minute Warning every week for 5 months before they split up. It was a go nowhere team with a go nowhere storyline.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

BookDust had a storyline hidden beneath it all. The idea of Booker putting up with Goldust constantly and slowly getting won over by him. It's almost the same thing that has gone on with Regal and Eugene.

 

Eugene should have definitely not been shoved down our throats as fast as he was, but he makes for a good catalyst in this main event storyline because of his ease to be manipulated and his reluctance to be a heel (as witnessed last night with the chair). Eugene is a good soul at heart, but since he would do ANYTHING to help his "best friend", it shields his conscience. That is a great storyline. Everyone knows sooner or later Eugene is going to find out what is going on, but sadly it won't lead to him getting a win over HHH unless it's like Hurricane vs. Rock where nobody cares two weeks later.

 

The way it's being used, I'd *LOVE* to see Eugene's "special" nature be nothing but a ploy to get himself a wrestling contract and his "friendship" with HHH being nothing but a way to get to him. It would get him over even more as a face because he would have fucked with two big heels on Raw (Bisch and HHH) and could lead to him being a respected member of the IC division.

 

I have come to the decision that the "Eugene" character could be a great thing for Nick Dinsmore once he loses it. In kayfabe, it could be used against him as a way for heels to make fun of him, but he could also Foley it up a bit, coming to the ring for a match doing the whole smile/wave thing and then just go right into completely dismantling the guy (okay...so maybe that's more like a Waylon Mercy).

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

This has to be the worst excuse for HHH bashing in forever.

 

HHH has done nothing but further the Eugene angle. His promos and interactions with Eugene have been priceless.

 

Eugene was never EVER meant as a long term gimmick. it's not a character you use forever. Eugene and HHH are perfect together. His manipulation of Eugene is awesome dasterdly heel.

[CanadianChick 0]

I'm not going to bash HHH for this or anything, but I'd rather Eugene being used for comedy a little while later. When people get sick of Eugene being funny, then he could be used in the compacity that he's being used now. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

 

I'll use last night as an example. My favorite Eugene segments were the funny ones. The musical chairs, the driving Flair insane, was freaking hilarious. Judging by fan reactions, they weren't buying Eugene as a sympathetic face, as evidence to the "Eugene sucks" chants. I don't think there was a need to stop the comedy with Regal. The crowds loved it. Sure, this Eugene thing makes HHH look like a evil bastard. That's all fine and dandy, but I *know* that already. We all know that. It's been shown to us since he turned heel two years ago. Was it really necessary on WWE's part to break up a perfectly fine comedy midcard angle to show us that HHH is evil?

[Promoter 0]

This has to be the worst excuse for HHH bashing in forever.

Well, the net honeymoon love of Triple H is soon to be over. Wait until Benoit drops the title back to Triple H to see it grow back to its legendary status.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

"Can someone defend how Eugene doing meaningless mid-card matches and comedy with regal over and over again gets people over?"

 

Who said meaningless?

[NoCalMike 0]

Actually the Booker T/Goldust angle DID get Booker T over, and he even ended up getting a title shot, however Triple H decided that "you people" don't belong on his level, and quickly disposed of Booker T. Remember the Pedigree, followed by Triple H laying around for 20 seconds before attempting the pin?

[Guest Staravenger]

But the Booker/Goldust relationship peaked at around August-September....and then just did nothing until they FINALLY got a Tag Title reign. They tried making something out of Goldust....but then evolution reared it's head and he suffered that disease where he stuttered profanity.

 

That was my main point. The first few months was fine, with Goldust trying his best to gain Booker's friendship, only to be snubbed time after time. Then when nWo turned on Booker, Goldust was there for him, and then the rest is a blurr.

[NoCalMike 0]

But the Booker/Goldust relationship peaked at around August-September....and then just did nothing until they FINALLY got a Tag Title reign. They tried making something out of Goldust....but then evolution reared it's head and he suffered that disease where he stuttered profanity.

 

That was my main point. The first few months was fine, with Goldust trying his best to gain Booker's friendship, only to be snubbed time after time. Then when nWo turned on Booker, Goldust was there for him, and then the rest is a blurr.

GAWD, I had completely forgotten about stuttering Golddust. Now I can't stop cracking up at how WWE thought that it was a good idea. I am legit here at work in my cubicle laughing, and I think people are starting to stare......Imagine trying to explain why I am laughing.....

[buffybeast 0]

Ahh, I forgot about the Book/Dust storyline. I actually loved the pairing of Booker and Dustin. I loved the angle until Goldust somehow acquired Tourette's syndrome.

 

As for the HHH bashing in regards to Eugene, I'm reserving judgment until Eugene is shit on. I am enjoying the storyline right now; I was actually entertained Monday. I am curious as to what happened to Regal. There's no reason he shouldn't be involved in this angle.

[NoCalMike 0]

Ahh, I forgot about the Book/Dust storyline. I actually loved the pairing of Booker and Dustin. I loved the angle until Goldust somehow acquired Tourette's syndrome.

 

As for the HHH bashing in regards to Eugene, I'm reserving judgment until Eugene is shit on. I am enjoying the storyline right now; I was actually entertained Monday. I am curious as to what happened to Regal. There's no reason he shouldn't be involved in this angle.

yah, but you also like Albert.......

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'm not going to bash HHH for this or anything, but I'd rather Eugene being used for comedy a little while later. When people get sick of Eugene being funny, then he could be used in the compacity that he's being used now. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

 

You have to strike while the iron's hot that's why. When Eugene stops being funny that means people are sick of him. WHich would mean you shouldn't be putting him in a ME storyline. Eugene's a plot device, nothing more.

 

I'll use last night as an example. My favorite Eugene segments were the funny ones. The musical chairs, the driving Flair insane, was freaking hilarious. Judging by fan reactions, they weren't buying Eugene as a sympathetic face, as evidence to the "Eugene sucks" chants.

 

It was in Canada and he attacked the biggest Canadian Icon in wrestling nowadays (Benoit). We'd boo Jesus if he fucked with Benoit.

 

I don't think there was a need to stop the comedy with Regal. The crowds loved it. Sure, this Eugene thing makes HHH look like a evil bastard. That's all fine and dandy, but I *know* that already. We all know that. It's been shown to us since he turned heel two years ago. Was it really necessary on WWE's part to break up a perfectly fine comedy midcard angle to show us that HHH is evil?

 

Yes. HHH has been doing the same tired heel routine since '01. This interaction with Eugene not only freshens up his character but it shows how desperate he is to get his title back, which adds to the value of the title.

 

Think about. You're Vince Mcmahon. You've got an exxcedingly popular character but you know the fickle nature of the WWE fan. Are you going to leave the character in the midcard or are you going to squeeze everything you can from him?

 

What they're doing makes good business sense.

[Promoter 0]

I think we should still wait with this Eugene/Triple H stuff. I hope I don't give the wwe too much credit, but this storyline has a lot of possibilites. I still believe there is a swerve here. Eugene says Trips is his favourite wrestler. Trips has taken him into Evolution, while Orton seems the most upset about the move. Eugene befriends Benoit. Eugene befriends The Rock who had words exchanged with Randy Orton. The Rock is a major rival of Triple H. Don't some think Eugene is a tool used by Dinsmore and Triple H to fool everyone for Triple H to get his belt back? It's just not too obvious which is good. Don't you think Triple H saying he knows what he's doing with Eugene is a plan to get back his belt? The signs are there. All the other scenarios are predictable and short-sighted imo. The little problems within Evolution also point to this. Orton can be pissed that the cerebral assassin didn't let him in on the plan.

[CanadianChick 0]

You have to strike while the iron's hot that's why. When Eugene stops being funny that means people are sick of him. WHich would mean you shouldn't be putting him in a ME storyline. Eugene's a plot device, nothing more.

 

Well, I don't think Eugene should be anywhere near a ME storyline, but that's another debate. And when Eugene stops being funny, *that's* when you freshen his character up. Sure, you don't want to ride it out too long, but ride it out as long as you can.

 

It was in Canada and he attacked the biggest Canadian Icon in wrestling nowadays (Benoit). We'd boo Jesus if he fucked with Benoit.

 

Actually, the "Eugene sucks" chant I was refering to was the one when he was attacking Edge's arm pretty viciously. Yes Edge is Canadian, but no Canadian icon or anything. It was just the crowd not showing any sympathy towards Eugene.

 

 

Think about. You're Vince Mcmahon. You've got an exxcedingly popular character but you know the fickle nature of the WWE fan. Are you going to leave the character in the midcard or are you going to squeeze everything you can from him?

 

What they're doing makes good business sense.

 

But to squeeze everything out of the character, you keep him as a comedy character as long as you can, and THEN do something with the said character.

 

Look, it's great that WWE wants HHH's evil character to be fresh. I appreciate that. But WWE still had some gas left in the Eugene mid-carder angle. I'm just saying Eugene could have been a comedy wrestler longer.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

You don't leave someone in the midcard when you can put them in the Main Event.

 

They did that with RVD, Jericho, Booker T, etc. and we're still bitching to this day.

 

Eugene being left in the midcard would have been an incredibly stupid move by Vince and Co. they're out to make money and they're going to make the most money as fast as possible doing things this way, all while furthering story lines.

[NoCalMike 0]

You don't leave someone in the midcard when you can put them in the Main Event.

 

They did that with RVD, Jericho, Booker T, etc. and we're still bitching to this day.

 

Eugene being left in the midcard would have been an incredibly stupid move by Vince and Co. they're out to make money and they're going to make the most money as fast as possible doing things this way, all while furthering story lines.

No No No....Ok, in theory you are correct. However Vince & Triple H have so far shown that all they do is take a hot midcarder, use them for the VERY short term effect, and then ruin them and set them up for failure later.......Look at Jericho, Booker T, RVD, Benoit(potentially, even though he actually did get the title). They basically have taken all of these guys and plucked them out of the midcard because they were getting over BY THEMSELVES, and on their OWN MERIT, and thrust them into the Main Event scene for no other reason then for Triple H to wave his dick around, and "show the fans" that he is better then them. Now fast foward to 2004, and what has it done for ANY OF THEM long term? The only one to survive so far is Benoit, however that is still in question because it remains to be seen how fans outside of Canada treat him once he is officially branded as another of Triple H's victims. Jericho has rebounded a LITTLE BIT, but really, he hasn't really done anything significant in over a year.(And no, I don't count the stupid love triangle storyline, significant). Then look at Booker T & RVD, both are nothing but lower-mid card fodder. Neither have recovered from their respective burials. And they were plucked out of the midcard the SAME EXACT way that Eugene was, for the sole purpose of Making Triple look "stronger" I am telling you, Eugene will be a waste of space in about 6 months, while Triple H is enjoying another year long title reign.

[CanadianChick 0]

But this isn't a long-term character. Why put someone in the main event who won't even be around, long-term?

 

The real money with Eugene is in the merchandise I would think. And he would sell as much as a midcard comedy wrestler. Hell, he'd probably sell more because there won't be a chance that the crowd would be against him like they are appearing to be now. Look at Hurricane.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The better question is: Why have HHH try to become uber-heel mega when he's going to turn face in a few months anyways?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

So he'll be that much more over as a face? Or so he can become the no.1 face by being the only person that really cared for Eugene the whole time or something.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Or because he already has his #1 heel lined up (Orton) and why-the-hell would he let someone else that may not directly benefit him suck Eugenes heat away? I'm so glad HHH has changed.

 

"Nothing has changed"

 

- HHH

[Guest wildpegasus]

The better question is: Why have HHH try to become uber-heel mega when he's going to turn face in a few months anyways?

You think he's turning face Rudo? To face Orton? HHH can't wrestle as well when he's a face so I wouldn't think he'd be fond of turning. His best match as face was against Benoit. After there's a signifigant drop in the quality of face HHH matches and I think HHH would realise that.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

HHH has a movie coming out in the fall.

[Promoter 0]

I was thinking the same thing about HHH turning face, but I suppose if Flair turns with him it may work well. The thing is can Orton play a better face than Triple H can play one?