HHH winning the title Sunday

[Art Sandusky 0]

A middle of the match run-in by Eugene wouldn't hurt anything. Ref gets whacked, HHH calls Eugene down to the ring before a second one can get out there. HHH beats the shit out Benoit while Eugene watches and HHH barks orders to Eugene really angrily and shows no gratitude, so after HHH tells Eugene to go grab a chair, he does but blasts HHH with it. Benoit and HHH are both down, the Eugene face status has been preserved, new ref comes in, fresh match with both men equally damaged. Kinda like No Way Out 2001 when Big Show chokeslammed everyone in sight.

[algrim 0]

Basically, so far it's been established that:

 

1) Eugene will have a say on the outcome on the match. Most probably, he'll realize that HHH is not his friend and will cost him the title win. When the rematch occurs at SS, he'll win the title (most likely on a gimmick match so Benoit has no clear dominance, as in a straight match).

 

2) If he's expected to film his movie (La Jornada del Muerte, whatever), he won't have a long reign. Expect a 3 month reign at the most.

 

I don't mind that HHH wins the belt back, just as long as he keeps the workrate up.

[iggymcfly 0]

Well, in the long term, it would be nice for Benoit to keep his reign going, and drop the title to someone other than Trips, so that Raw doesn't get too static. However, in the short term, we've got Summerslam coming up next month which is supposed to be the 2nd biggest PPV of the year. They need a main even that people want to see, and Angle coming back or no, I don't think they're gonna get it from Smackdown.

 

If HHH wins the title at Vengeance, then either a HHH/Benoit stipulation rematch or a HHH/Edge matchup are feasible main events. In the first case, you've got HHH ending a fairly decent sized Benoit reign in which he'd already beat Trips twice, so it owuld make sense to do something serious to end the feud. Also, it would have a "big" feel since it's the match that finally decides who's better, after several months without a clean one-on-one finish. I'd give a stipulation here that's familiar, but not overused like maybe three stages of hell. Edge would also be a fresh challenger who's got a fairly well-defined beef with HHH, and who's had a decent push beating Kane, and possibly Orton going into the PPV.

 

Meanwhile, if Benoit wins, I don't see where you go with Summerslam. They can't really do another rematch with HHH, because Benoit will have already beaten him three times in a row on the last four PPVs. Eugene interference or no, if HHH loses again, he's done. He can't just get another title shot. With Edge's newfound focus on Evolution, it wouldn't really make sense for him to switch gears and go after Benoit, and Jericho's been too upper-midcard to sell the 2nd biggest PPV of the year in a face-face matchup. I guess they could try an elimination chamber, but I don't really think this is a good time for that, as HBK and Kane have a big-money feud that needs a one on one match, and Orton should really defend his IC title.

 

As far as booking PPV to PPV goes, I think HHH should win the title Sunday. I suppose if I were booking, I'd let Edge get the shot at Summerslam, with Benoit only getting a quick rematch on Raw that Edge interrupts anyway. Then you've got the seeds sown for a Benoit heel turn on Edge due to jealousy, since we all know that Benoit's way better as a heel than as a face.

[natey2k4 0]

Triple H is a good talent. He's been on a roll with matches recently, and would not be a horrible champion. BUT, Benoit should retain. Triple H will get the title back before the end of the year anyway. I think Chris Benoit will retain, then at Summerslam, Trips will win.

 

- Benoit retains @ Vengeance.

- Eugene helps Triple H win @ Summerslam.. and we continue the HHH/Eugene drama on RAW.

- Triple H starts to get attached, and thus Evolution gives him the boot.

- Orton vs Triple H feud begins.

- Orton wins the title.

 

I think that has a HIGH Possibility of happening. Just my opinion though..

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I personally think it would be a bad option, though I'm not a huge Benoit fan. Benoit is probably the best guy on Raw at the moment. I feel if Benoit beats Triple H they could finally cement him as being a superstar who will be remembered. Benoit losing the title will just return to a tired and safe option. While Triple H has been wrestling well recently, I think for him to regain the belt despite the fact that Raw has been doing rather well lately would be a silly move. Benoit's fine with the belt. I'd say keep him with it for a while and let either HBK win it from him and turn himself heel in the process or Orton so as he can have a "I'm the champ, you're not, why are you my leader?" feud with Triple H. I believe keeping the belt on Benoit is the best option at this point (have Jericho finally get his title shot for Summerslam).

Raw has been doing well lately, but as many have pointed out, it's still built around HHH, so why would HHH regaining the title be counter-productive to momentum that is really HHH's anyway?

[Just call me Dan 0]

HHH can win the title soon, but not from Benoit. Since the title's re-inception to Raw in 2002, no one has lost the title to anyone but HHH (HBK,Benoit). Benoit jobbing needs to be to someone else. If you want to throw a transitional champ in for this year, do it now, before it goes back to one of the flagships.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

HHH can win the title soon, but not from Benoit. Since the title's re-inception to Raw in 2002, no one has lost the title to anyone but HHH (HBK,Benoit). Benoit jobbing needs to be to someone else. If you want to throw a transitional champ in for this year, do it now, before it goes back to one of the flagships.

HHH lost the title to people who weren't HHH.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Benoit retains because this is the least "high-profile" title match since... Bad Blood... so the focus is off "Benoit beating HHH"/"HHH losing" and on "Eugene doing whothefuckcares"/"Oh hey, lookoverthere!" so Benoit doesn't actually benefit from beating HHH and HHH doesn't lose anything in the process. Thus, HHH continues to dominate the show while Benoit continues to be a lame duck champion who no-matter-how-long-he-has-the-belt will always be holding it for the real champ.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Then for the Halloween Havoc ppv in October, Benoit should get his one on one win against HBK that he also needs.

Didn't he already beat HBK one on one on Raw or something?

[Guest JMA]

If the WWE really wants to cement Benoit as the top babyface, they should have him beat Triple H at both Vengeance AND SummerSlam. No one has really pinned or made Triple H submit two times in a row.

 

I'd eventually like to see Benoit drop the title to Edge at WrestleMania. From here, Edge would feud with Triple H; who will have been out of the title picture for a few months and be a fresh challenger.

 

Of course, before that I'd like to see a few more Benoit/Michaels matches.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Then for the Halloween Havoc ppv in October, Benoit should get his one on one win against HBK that he also needs.

Didn't he already beat HBK one on one on Raw or something?

Yeah but one is never enough for that HBK bastard!

[Guest justinpayne]

all i know is here is palm springs they are billing a show on august 22 chris benoit vs flair for the title thats a bit after the ppv i know card subjust to change but yeah why would they do that if they know hes going to lose it?

[4hartthreat 0]

Then for the Halloween Havoc ppv in October, Benoit should get his one on one win against HBK that he also needs.

Didn't he already beat HBK one on one on Raw or something?

Yeah but one is never enough for that HBK bastard!

Yes Benoit beat HBK on Raw, but it was a bullshit finish. HBK pretty much had Benoit beat and then HHH ran down and gave Shawn the pedigree and Benoit covered. And then the whole victory was overshadowed by the HBK-HHH hates each other stuff. That isn't really beating someone one on one in a meaningful way in my book.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

all i know is here is palm springs they are billing a show on august 22 chris benoit vs flair for the title thats a bit after the ppv i know card subjust to change but yeah why would they do that if they know hes going to lose it?

So we don't know that they know.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Then for the Halloween Havoc ppv in October, Benoit should get his one on one win against HBK that he also needs.

Didn't he already beat HBK one on one on Raw or something?

Yeah but one is never enough for that HBK bastard!

Yes Benoit beat HBK on Raw, but it was a bullshit finish. HBK pretty much had Benoit beat and then HHH ran down and gave Shawn the pedigree and Benoit covered. And then the whole victory was overshadowed by the HBK-HHH hates each other stuff. That isn't really beating someone one on one in a meaningful way in my book.

Nah, he beat him, and HBK hasn't gotten another shot since. Fin.

[4hartthreat 0]

Nah, he beat him, and HBK hasn't gotten another shot since. Fin.

HBK also main evented the next ppv, while Benoit (the champion) did not. I'd say Benoit still needs a good one on one W againt Shawn.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Just because a guy over-shadowed the other and the aftermath of the match shifted to another feud thus making the win meaningless doesn't mean that Benoit didn't beat Michaels.

[iggymcfly 0]

I still don't see why everyone thinks that the likely route is for Benoit to win at Vengeance and HHH to win at Summerslam. If HHH loses at Vengeance, he has no reason (storyline-wise) to get another title shot. This will be his record against Benoit:

 

WM: Loses clean via tap-out

Backlash: Loses clean when Benoit makes Michaels tap

Vengeance: Loses again(!?) to Benoit

 

Where's the justification for a fourth match. If anything, it will just be a weak match that the fans show little interest in. It certainly won't be an epic clash that gives Benoit's initial title win a run for its money as the most engrossing main event of the year.

 

If HHH is going to main event Summerslam, one-on-one aginst Benoit, he has to get a win over him at some point, be it at Vengeance or on Raw leading into the PPV. I suppose if they really want to keep the title on Benoit until then, they could run a DQ finish at Vengeance, but that seems kind of unnecessary when Benoit's already beat HHH twice. If they want the feud to continue with any heat, Trips really needs to pick up a victory.

[4hartthreat 0]

Just because a guy over-shadowed the other and the aftermath of the match shifted to another feud thus making the win meaningless doesn't mean that Benoit didn't beat Michaels.

I never said that he didn't win in a one on one match against HBK, I just said that the win was meaningless and that the situation should be fixed.

[Just call me Dan 0]

HHH can win the title soon, but not from Benoit. Since the title's re-inception to Raw in 2002, no one has lost the title to anyone but HHH (HBK,Benoit).  Benoit jobbing needs to be to someone else.  If you want to throw a transitional champ in for this year, do it now, before it goes back to one of the flagships.

HHH lost the title to people who weren't HHH.

Read the damned parenthesis Zsasz. You know exactly what I mean. I don't hate your boy, so don't nit pick as if I'm taking a shot at him. I stated that the changing hands of this world title since it has been brought to Raw needs to be mixed up rather than HHH - HBK - HHH - Goldberg -HHH - Benoit - HHH. Understand? I thought so.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Nah, he beat him, and HBK hasn't gotten another shot since. Fin.

HBK also main evented the next ppv, while Benoit (the champion) did not. I'd say Benoit still needs a good one on one W againt Shawn.

That had absolutely nothing to do with HBK, and everything to do with the guy standing across the ring. If Benoit was fighting HHH, and presumably jobbing to him, he would be in the main event too.

[algrim 0]

Based on what Iggy said, it's obvious that HHH will not want to be made more vunerable by another loss. I hae to say it, but the match at Vengeance would have to end in a DQ to justify the match at SS.

[Guest BurnToShine]

Based on what Iggy said, it's obvious that HHH will not want to be made more vunerable by another loss. I hae to say it, but the match at Vengeance would have to end in a DQ to justify the match at SS. 

That, or HHH puts up his career/his spot in Evolution/last shot at the title for as long as Benoit is champion/some other such stipulation in order to get a shot at Slam.

 

Benoit's getting his big promotion going into the release of his DVD. It doesn't make sense for him to lose now. Not to mention the program hasn't been strong, and HHH is gonna want a strong, hot feud going into his big title win. We'll get all this heat on Benoit for a month going into SummerSlam and his DVD release, and at the apex of all that heat, HHH beats Benoit. Makes HHH look that much bigger.

 

With only 5 matches announced for the show, why has Pat McNeill been the only one to think of a time limit draw? Yeah, it'd be crazy, and there's no way those guys are in any condition to do it... but HHH and Shawn went 48 (?) minutes last month. I could see it happening.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

HHH can win the title soon, but not from Benoit. Since the title's re-inception to Raw in 2002, no one has lost the title to anyone but HHH (HBK,Benoit).  Benoit jobbing needs to be to someone else.  If you want to throw a transitional champ in for this year, do it now, before it goes back to one of the flagships.

HHH lost the title to people who weren't HHH.

Read the damned parenthesis Zsasz. You know exactly what I mean. I don't hate your boy, so don't nit pick as if I'm taking a shot at him. I stated that the changing hands of this world title since it has been brought to Raw needs to be mixed up rather than HHH - HBK - HHH - Goldberg -HHH - Benoit - HHH. Understand? I thought so.

Yeah, but I was just having fun with you anyway.