Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted July 20, 2004 He just looked sloppy and tired of touring when I saw them in 98. Two years after that, their show hadn't changed. Those were bad times for Mustaine. My aunt says the Countdown to Extinction tour is still one of the best concerts she's ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 20, 2004 I've seen Slayer in an ampitheater, an arena, and a small venue. The smaller the stage, the better they got. Their biggest appeal is being this fast, loud, screaming badass thing right in your grill, and arenas/amphitheaters aren't conducive to that environment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 20, 2004 How are they in an outdoor environment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted July 20, 2004 There's a good local Metal Band here called Rawhead Rex by the way. Check them out if you can...they kind of remind me of Slayer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 20, 2004 About as good as a band can be on the main stage of Ozzfest. They're 100% better up close. Some bands thrive in the huge environments, and heavy metal (save the mid-tempo metal-for-the-people titans like Pantera/Metallica & co.) Just does NOT work in a great big venue. I can't imagine seeing someone like..Cryptopsy in an arena. It'd be totally unnatural. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2004 Megadeth sucks live...at least in my experience...i think Mustaine was drunk because he was playin like shit, he was missing cues, fucking up rythms and what not, his singing was way off...we all started chanting you suck 30 minutes in and he told us "I may suck, but you guys are the assholes that paid 30 bucks to see my ass!" then walked off....needless to say we were all less than ecstatic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted July 21, 2004 DDE and Kick The Chair... wow... I think Slayer and Metallica should look at Megadeth's recent work (TWNAH and TSHF) to make great albums in this day of age Metallica I'll give you, but you're kidding with Slayer right? 'Here Comes The Pain' owns 'Crush Em' btw............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 You must be pretty deaf if you think Slayer recent work is tolerable. Although God Hates Us All is signifgantly better than Raining Blood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anticrombie Report post Posted July 22, 2004 I've finally gotten my kazaa back up, so I checked out some of Megadeth's more recent work. I loved the 3 tracks I got from Cryptic Writings, and I got a feeling that this one will probably end up being my favorite of the newer Megadeth albums. TWNAH was good, but there were times where Dave gave some really corny vocal work (the bit where he's saying he'll call them back in the title track for example). I liked Youthanasia, haven't checked out Countdown yet, and I love the 4 thrash albums from the beginning of their career. I'm gonna give Risk a chance and download the songs off of it though I remember not liking Crush'em too much. God Hates Us All was the first Slayer album I bought (alongside Crystal Planet and Master Of Puppets), I ended up getting all of Slayer's work except Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits. I love God Hates Us All and though many will disagree I consider Diabolus In Musica to be a good to great album (it gets a little too murky in the middle) with Bitter Peace and Point being two of my favorite tracks. I also liked (for the most part) Load/Reload and hated St. Anger. I've never been one to call bands that want to change sell outs, but Metallica Black album on seem to only make albums for commercial use, it's kinda, sorta pathetic. St. Anger had potential to be a good album, but man did they fuck up. I think they just try way too hard to adhere to recent trends. Slayer and Megadeth I feel are still releasing good stuff while Metallica has faltered in recent years with each subsequent release (their work before St. Anger has good stuff in it but it doesn't touch their 80s material IMO). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Many metalheads would kick the shit out of me saying that Raining Blood was adequate, and Load was better than And Justice For All. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anticrombie Report post Posted July 22, 2004 The only three tracks I find myself listening to when I listen to Reign In Blood are Angel Of Death, Jesus Saves, and Raining Blood. It's not that I don't like the rest of the album, it's just that nothing really stands out side of those three (at least from what I can remember). I suppose people would defend the album by saying that each song makes up the experience of listening to Reign In Blood, and I admit it's interesting to see an album fly by with the intensity and aggression they put in to it but the appeal of the concept decreases as the years go by since the songs outside of the three I mentioned don't really stand well on their own. I find myself listening to South Of Heaven and Seasons In The Abyss much more. ...And Justice For all was my favorite Metallica album for the longest time, so I disagree that Load is better, I just feel that Load has a lot of decent songs mixed in with really good to awesome songs. The stretch from The House Jack Built to Bleeding Me is awesome along with The Outlaw Torn at the end. Everything else is adequete. Justice is the angriest album Metallica ever made (I hold the belief that Cliff's death is the driving force). It's great especially considering now where Metallica is trying to sound angry and failing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 I never had that feel for AJFA. To me it lack something that the first three albums had, and it wasn't bass. I think it wasn't consistant as the first three albums, and it really had no flow from one song to the next. The album seemed very forced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anticrombie Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Metallica seemed to be having more fun with the first 3 albums (especially Kill em All) while ...And Justice For All is dead serious all the way through. Everything before and after this album shows a band having fun with their music, so this album sort of stands alone, that may be why I've always held it in such high regard. The album may not be as varied as MOP or RTL, but I've always felt a very unique energy from the album (which is probably what die-hard fans of Reign In Blood feel) though admittedly I can see where some people may feel some songs tend to run too long, especially the title track. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 The only three tracks I find myself listening to when I listen to Reign In Blood are Angel Of Death, Jesus Saves, and Raining Blood. Go back and listen to "Postmortem" again, dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anticrombie Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Oh I definitely will check Reign In Blood out again since I admit I haven't listened to it in quite a while. But that will have to wait in line behind some Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, and with the Megadeth albums coming out next week... ehh I'll make time some time this month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 The album seemed forced. It really had no creativity, or diversity since RTL. It's a great album to listen through a few times, but after that, there's nothing special about the album. Its just a generic thrash album that almost any thrash metal band could have released. Reign In Blood and And Justice For All are both like this, and yet you have some great tracks on an average album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Reign in blood was generic thrash? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 22, 2004 You people are Bonkers. The only three tracks I find myself listening to when I listen to Reign In Blood are Angel Of Death, Jesus Saves, and Raining Blood. It's not that I don't like the rest of the album, it's just that nothing really stands out side of those three (at least from what I can remember). How can you just listen to those tracks? Every song on there has an identity, except for "Necrophobic" which can stay or go and not make much of a difference. At no point does that album cease to be a violent kick in the mouth, and the best example of thrash metal to come before or after. It's ruthless, it's wild, it's hateful, it's evil, it's abraisive. That's like complaining about the Ramones because they weren't "varied". Anything deviating from scathing breakneck thrash would drag that album down as a whole. The fact that it's so uncontrollable is what makes it great. Not to mention the fact that it's bookended by probably the two best songs Slayer ever did. Then Postmortem is badass, Altar of Sacrifice is badass, Jesus saves; also badass. Piece by Piece and Criminally Insane, both totally evil. The solos shred everywhere without surcease. It's madness to say any other band could do this, because no one has and no one ever will. I'd not only call this album Slayer's best work, but one of the paramount albums of the entire genre. Seeing it performed live right in front of me beginning to end just proved how well it works. Five star album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Reign in blood was generic thrash? don't mind me, I'm just still trying really hard to figure this one out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 There's no diversity in Reign In Blood, its just aggressive thrash, and thats it. It may be well structured, but its almost the exact same song throughout the album, except for Angel of Death and Raining Blood. Slayer's best album is South of Heaven, more of a diverse thrash metal album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 ok that's a little more palatable to me than the 'generic' description. That only ruffled my feathers because my description of a generic album is that it's alike to many other things. And this album can't be accused of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Aside from all the imitators, since y'know..they perfected that sound with that album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Funny how this turned from a Megadeth thread to a Slayer thread My opinions For Slayer: - Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood are must-owns for any metal head - South of Heaven and Seasons are also highly recommended - Everything since then being meh or worse. - Also, if you like live stuff, get the Decade of Agression CD and the Warfield DVD For Megadeth: - Peace Sells, Rust in Peace and Countdown to Extinction are must-owns - So Far..., , Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings are recommended - Risk isn't even coaster material... - Haven't heard all of Hero but the few songs I have heard were pretty good - Songs I've heard from the upcoming album make me very optimistic about the new CD - If you don't mind the live stuff (I love live CDs, but some people seem to be averse to them) then check out Rude Awakening too, it's got a good mix of songs both old and new, although there is some flubbing on the guitar play throughout, but that's the kind of thing that can happen live (kudos to them for not overdubbing the mistakes either, preserves the true concert feel) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 and the Warfield DVD No. Stay away from this piece of shit dvd with its awful mix, overdubbed vocals and worthless extras. Pure cash grab and it's just not worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anticrombie Report post Posted July 22, 2004 How can you just listen to those tracks? Every song on there has an identity, except for "Necrophobic" which can stay or go and not make much of a difference. At no point does that album cease to be a violent kick in the mouth, and the best example of thrash metal to come before or after. It's ruthless, it's wild, it's hateful, it's evil, it's abraisive. That's like complaining about the Ramones because they weren't "varied". Ok allow me to correct myself on something, it's not that those are the only tracks I listened to, it's that those are the only three that spring to mind when I think about Reign In Blood. I'm not going to actually take the effort to get my ass up and switch tracks while I'm listening to Reign In Blood. Last time I listened to Reign In Blood is in 2001, since then I've been listening to other CDs and SOH, SITA are the only Slayer CDs I've been listening to lately. I don't know why, but I haven't been in the mood for Reign In Blood. I'm not denying that RIB may be a 5 star album nor am I going to refute redbaron's belief that RIB might be overrated. Keep in mind that I bought RIB when I was first getting into more aggressive metal (departing from bands like Metallica who wrote longer songs) so that may have painted my memory of RIB in the wrong light. I'll check it out again though. Somebody sell me on Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits, I can't get pass Tom Araya's bathroom vocal work, but I do like the guitar work. I mean Venom is another band whose songs had bathroom vocals, but it didn't bother me with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted July 23, 2004 There's no diversity in Reign In Blood, its just aggressive thrash, and thats it. It may be well structured, but its almost the exact same song throughout the album, except for Angel of Death and Raining Blood. Slayer's best album is South of Heaven, more of a diverse thrash metal album. And the problem with that is? But I don't exactly get any "sameness" between Piece by Piece and Epidemic for example. Somebody sell me on Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits, I can't get pass Tom Araya's bathroom vocal work Pre-Rubin, indy label (might have the same probs with HTC), but for me it's always been aggressiveness, heaviness and some part speed (where applicable) when defining good metal--something you wanna take out and just thrash to. I mean try to imagine Dave Mustaine singing Die By the Sword, Face the Slayer, Black Magic, or Tormentor off SNM or HTC and most of HA (he'd have to do his more gritty low voice. I think though Mustaine doing Show No Mercy, Haunting The Chapel, and Crypts Of Eternity could be pretty badass). Besides the vocals fit the songs and where Slayer was at as a band. Count me in as not wanting Slayer to (like Testament) redo a bunch of their Metal Blade stuff, it's perfect where it is. Leave it to the shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2004 Um, ok. Not to distract from the Slayer discussion, but since it started as a Megadeth thread, and the re-releases are just days away, I wanted to know everyone else's thoughts on the MD 45 record, The Craving. I had never heard (or even heard of!) it untill I heard that Mustaine was re-releasing it along with the Megadeth albums, with all new voals by himself. So I picked up the album cheap, and I got to say I like it. It has a more punk feel, but it's still heavy, and I like Lee Ving's vocals which sound like a more gruff Mustaine (with a little Blaze Bayley of Iron Maiden fame!). Favorite tracks are Hell's Motel, Day The Music Died, Fight Hate and The Creed. My Town is pretty fun too. Anyone else have the album, and want to comment? Can't wait to hear it redone with Mustaine's vocals, I'm sure it will give it a much more familiar, Megadeth like feel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted July 23, 2004 I really don't like Blaze Bailey and his vocals just never fit with Maiden at all. Anything with him working on it doesn't sound like something I'd get into to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 23, 2004 Hell Awaits is really god damn evil, and that's about it. If you can't dig the vocals, you probably won't like it due to the production. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2004 and the Warfield DVD No. Stay away from this piece of shit dvd with its awful mix, overdubbed vocals and worthless extras. Pure cash grab and it's just not worth it. I thought it was okay There will be a new Slayer DVD though coming out in late September, complete with a full performance of the entire RIB album There's something to chew on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
