alfdogg Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 From Sportsbook.com: Spurs 3-1 Pistons 5-1 T-Wolves 7-1 Pacers 8-1 Kings 9-1 Heat 10-1 Lakers 12-1 Rockets 15-1 Mavs 20-1 Nuggets 20-1 Nets 40-1 Cavs 45-1 Grizzlies 45-1 Knicks 60-1 76ers 60-1 Suns 60-1 Blazers 60-1 Raptors 60-1 Jazz 60-1 Bucks 75-1 Celtics 100-1 Bulls 100-1 Warriors 100-1 Clippers 100-1 Hornets 100-1 Magic 100-1 Sonics 100-1 Wizards 200-1 Hawks 400-1 Bobcats 750-1 I'm sure a lot of Celtic fans will LOVE this list. The Bulls, Warriors, Clippers and Magic? Utah and Milwaukee should both be higher as well. And I might put Denver ahead of Dallas. Discuss. EDIT: forgot the Grizzlies.
Precious Roy Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 Hmmmm.... Time to lay down some chips on the Wolves.
C Dubya 04 Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 From these, I'd say that the Heat and Nuggets are worth a look. The Heat are a top 3 team in the East, and it's kind of a toss-up there, so at 10-1 I like them. And the Nuggets have potential to be really good if things fall into place. 20-1 is a nice payout for potential.
Guest Mindless_Aggression Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 I'm still not ready to call Miami a top 3 team in the East, Shaq or not. They had nothing in the way of depth last year and they just traded away 3 starters AND Michael Doleac is the only free agent they've signed.
King Kamala Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 I'd put the Hawks at worse odds to win the championship then the Bobcats. The Bobcats have Okafur who's NBA ready and several young guys that are supposed to have breakout years. I wouldn't put them as playoff contenders (even in the sorry ass East) but I could see them winning 20 games. The Hawks have absolutely no one, even if hell freezes over and they sign Erick Dampier. Let's look at the rosters: Charlotte Bobcats: Lonny Baxter (FA) F 6-8 260 1/27/79 Maryland '02 2 J.R. Bremer (FA) G 6-2 185 9/19/80 St. Bonaventure '02 2 Primoz Brezec F 7-1 252 10/02/79 Slovenia 3 Maurice Carter (FA) G 6-5 210 10/12/76 Louisiana State '99 1 Predrag Drobnjak C 6-11 272 10/27/75 Serbia-Montenegro 3 Melvin Ely F 6-10 261 5/02/78 Fresno State '02 2 Desmond Ferguson (FA) F 6-7 210 7/22/77 Detroit 1 Marcus Fizer (FA) F 6-8 260 8/10/78 Iowa State '01 4 Jason Hart G 6-3 185 4/29/78 Syracuse '00 3 Eddie House G 6-1 175 5/14/78 Arizona State '00 4 Brandon Hunter F 6-7 260 11/24/80 Ohio U. '03 1 Jason Kapono F 6-8 213 2/02/81 UCLA '03 1 Emeka Okafor** F-C 6-10 252 9/28/82 Connecticut R Bernard Robinson** G-F 6-6 210 12/26/80 Michigan R Jamal Sampson F 6-11 235 5/15/83 California '05 2 Tamar Slay G 6-8 215 4/02/80 Marshall '02 2 Theron Smith F 6-8 225 10/03/80 Ball State '03 1 Jeff Trepagnier (FA) G 6-4 200 7/11/79 USC '01 3 Gerald Wallace F 6-7 215 7/23/82 Alabama '04 3 Jahidi White C-F 6-9 290 2/19/76 Georgetown '98 6 Loren Woods (FA) C 7-2 261 6/21/78 Arizona '01 3 Atlanta Hawks: HT WT DOB FROM YRS 33 Michael Bradley (FA) F 6-10 225 4/18/79 Villanova '01 3 22 Josh Childress F-G 6-8 210 6/20/83 Stanford R 40 Jason Collier F 7-0 260 9/08/77 Georgia Tech '00 4 4 Chris Crawford F 6-9 235 5/13/75 Marquette '97 7 13 Boris Diaw G 6-8 215 4/16/82 France 1 14 Obinna Ekezie (FA) F-C 6-9 270 8/22/75 Maryland '99 3 6 Travis Hansen G-F 6-6 205 4/15/78 Brigham Young '03 1 Al Harrington F 6-9 250 2/17/80 St. Patrick's HS (NJ) 6 44 Alan Henderson F-C 6-9 240 12/02/72 Indiana '95 9 36 Royal Ivey** G 6-3 200 12/20/81 Texas R 34 Mamadou N'diaye (FA) C 7-0 255 6/16/75 Auburn '00 4 7 Wesley Person (FA) G-F 6-6 200 3/28/71 Auburn '94 10 10 Joel Przybilla (FA) C 7-1 255 10/10/79 Minnesota '00 4 12 Zeljko Rebraca (FA) C 7-0 257 4/09/72 Serbia-Montenegro 3 15 Donta Smith** G 6-7 215 11/27/83 Southeastern Illinois R 42 Josh Smith F 6-9 210 12/05/85 Oak Hill Academy (Mouth of Wil R 3 Bob Sura (FA) G 6-5 200 3/25/73 Florida State '95 9 31 Jason Terry G 6-2 180 9/15/77 Arizona '99 5 11 Jacque Vaughn (FA) G 6-1 190 2/11/75 Kansas '97 7 Now tell me the Hawks are going to be better then the Bobcats. Woah when did the Hawks get Al Harrington? Err... I still stand by my previous statement.
Guest Mindless_Aggression Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 I dunno, Chris Crawford and Bob Sura put up big numbers last year once they got some time, I know, I had them on my Fantasy team. Then again, I think both of those guys are free agents, so nevermind.
nl5xsk1 Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 The only reason that the Celtics at 100-1 is a good bet is the fact that the NBA is going to realign to 6 divisions next year, and the Celts will be in a fairly weak division. (I think it's them, the Nets, the Knicks, the Raptors & the Sixers) While there's no really horrible team in the mix (e.g. Washington, Atlanta, Charlotte) there's also not a really dominant team, either. Whoever wins this division will probably earn the 3 seed, and thus have home court for at least one round of the playoffs. Once a team gets to the postseason, they have a reasonable chance of getting lucky at the right times and winning a surprise series or 2. I'd still not bet on it happening, but it's not entirely inconceivable. Does anyone know what the odds are for each team just winning their conference?
razazteca Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 100-1 for the Clippers better than the Wizards 200-1? That's crazy there is no way the Clippers will get out of the California division but the Wizards have a chance to advance out of the "weak" North East division.
King Kamala Posted July 20, 2004 Report Posted July 20, 2004 I agree with you Raza. The Wizards I think have a slim shot at the 8 seed. I know we've said this for the past three years but this is a make or break year for Kwame Brown and Gilbert Arenas showed himself to be one most underrated players in the game. The Antawn Jamison trade (And getting rid of Stackhouse and Laetner) also helped. While the Clippers have a very slim chance of breaking out of the bottom dwellers of the Western Conference.
Guest Rrrsh Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I'll take odds on Denver and New Orleans with that.
Guest Mindless_Aggression Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Well do remember, The Hornets are officially a western conference team. Making the playoffs will be damn near impossible I'd say.
Fuzzy Dunlop Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I'm surprised the Bulls aren't dead last.
Guest FrigidSoul Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I'm sure Ainge can pull off a stupid trade to make those odds even more profitable.
MrRant Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I'm not suprised the Sonics are close to dead last.
Guest Mindless_Aggression Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 The Bulls will always be above the other awful teams because of the potential their kids have. The guys below them are just awful teams with no real upside when you take into consideration what conference they're in and who their personal is.
Guest Vitamin X Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I still disagree with the Spurs being the dominant team in the West. I think the T-Wolves, when healthy definitely fit that description better.
MarvinisaLunatic Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Anyone stupid enough to put money down on the Wizards, even at 200-1, deserves to lose their money. I admit that getting Jamison might help some, but they are in the same division with Miami, and to some extent Orlando, so I doubt they'll even be close enough to sniff the 8th seed anytime soon. EASTERN CONFERENCE -Atlantic- Boston Celtics New Jersey Nets New York Knicks Philadelphia 76ers Toronto Raptors -Central- Chicago Bulls Cleveland Cavaliers Detroit Pistons Indiana Pacers Milwaukee Bucks -Southeast- Atlanta Hawks Charlotte Bobcats Miami Heat Orlando Magic Washington Wizards WESTERN CONFERENCE -Southwest- Dallas Mavericks Houston Rockets Memphis Grizzlies New Orleans Hornets San Antonio Spurs -Northwest- Denver Nuggets Minnesota T-Wolves Portland Trail Blazers Seattle SuperSonics Utah Jazz -Pacific- Golden State Warriors Los Angeles Clippers Los Angeles Lakers Phoenix Suns Sacramento Kings The Southwest division is LOADED. You could make a case for all 5 teams making the playoffs, and definitely 3 will make it (Dallas,San Antonio,Houston).
Guest Vitamin X Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 What makes everyone think Miami will do so damn great next year? Because of Shaq? HA!
MarvinisaLunatic Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 What makes everyone think Miami will do so damn great next year? Because of Shaq? HA! Add Shaq to a team that was close to upseting the Pacers and making the Eastern Conference finals and stick them in a crappy division with the Wizards, Hawks and an Expansion Team, and you have a recipe for them to be so damn great.
Guest Staravenger Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Crap, there's a new team? Thats what I get for not paying attention during the off-season. Anyone know what they're uniforms are going to look like?
MarvinisaLunatic Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 The design of the uniforms wont be revealed until August 11th. Logo looks like this:
Guest Vitamin X Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 What makes everyone think Miami will do so damn great next year? Because of Shaq? HA! Add Shaq to a team that was close to upseting the Pacers and making the Eastern Conference finals and stick them in a crappy division with the Wizards, Hawks and an Expansion Team, and you have a recipe for them to be so damn great. Let's not forget they lost 3 of their starters in the process. Odom, Butler, and Grant do not equal one Shaq. Perhaps only in weight.
Guest Staravenger Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 The design of the uniforms wont be revealed until August 11th. Logo looks like this: God damn, I just got a horrible XFL vibe from seeing that logo. (cries in a corner)
Vern Gagne Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Pistons imo should still be the odds on favorite to win. The key components all return, and McDyess should give the Pistons a deeper bench.
nogoodnick Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I would probably have put the Pistons as the favorites. But if there is a team that can beat them I would say its the Spurs. Blazers 60-1. So youre saying theres a chance.
Guest Staravenger Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 Pistons imo should still be the odds on favorite to win. The key components all return, and McDyess should give the Pistons a deeper bench. I don't follow everyone, but is McDyess healthy yet? Seemed like he was on the DL for almost 2 seasons.
Guest bigm350 Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 I think the Pistons can repeat if they keep Rasheed. I heard earlier today that he might not want to play for the Pistons this year.
MrRant Posted July 21, 2004 Report Posted July 21, 2004 ESPN reports that Rasheed signed a 5 year deal with the Pistons.
Guest Unwritten Religion Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 I'll put my $$$ on the T-Wolves winning the NBA Championship.
Guest Soylent Green Is People Posted July 22, 2004 Report Posted July 22, 2004 Am i just going blind or are the Grizzlies not listed there?
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