According to Meltzer.....

[AndrewTS 0]

Randy wasn't given the push Brock did when he 1st came.

 

Randy earned it.

*snorts*

 

He's improved a great deal, but no, he hasn't "earned it." Randy Orton has not "earned" the right to be winning any major title.

 

Of course, neither has JBL...

 

Brock was 5 months into his WWE career when he got the belt. He was SUPPOSED to be green. Randy Orton is 2 1/2 years into his.

 

How much time out of that 2 1/2 years was he injured, by the way?

[4hartthreat 0]

orton will lose to benoit at summerslam. HHH will regain the title at survivor series orton will win the rumble then take it off HHH at mania. VOILA.

Well thank you Vince for coming to smartmarks and clearing all of this up for us! Don't be a stranger now, you're welcome back anytime.....

[Guest jac52]

my name is not vince as you can probably well read. Just wait and see before you give a sarcasticated reply.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Randy wasn't given the push Brock did when he 1st came.

 

Randy earned it.

*snorts*

 

He's improved a great deal, but no, he hasn't "earned it." Randy Orton has not "earned" the right to be winning any major title.

 

Of course, neither has JBL...

 

Brock was 5 months into his WWE career when he got the belt. He was SUPPOSED to be green. Randy Orton is 2 1/2 years into his.

 

How much time out of that 2 1/2 years was he injured, by the way?

And just what exactly is this...hasn't earned it based on exactly? I mean...what's to say Austin had even earned his title the first time he got it? Just because he's been in wrestle a while...that doesn't really mean much. You can work at...well let's just say Taco Bell for 20 years. Doesn't mean you're qualified to be a manager.

 

You talk about Orton's only been doing his 'earning' for 2 and a half years..a lot of it injured...but I beg to differ. If you coming from a wrestling family whether others see it or not..you've been dealing with it all your life. So technically if you're going by 'time with the business' and 'paying dues' (We don't know what goes on backstage) Randy has earned his title shot more then let's say..Triple H..? HBK..? Other guys who had only been in wrestling about 9-12 however many years.

 

Yea...that's kind of farfetched..but the point is who are you exactly to say whether he's earned it or not?

[natey2k4 0]

With all those matches does anyone else but me see a.. 6 man Tag involving

 

Spike, Bubba, Dvon vs London,Kidman, Mysterio? Spike Heel Turn this week possibly?

[Guest tangerine]

Same here, I could see Spike getting convinced he needs his brothers to beat Mysterio and get the title. So they do the Spike/Mysterio match, D-von and Bubba come to interfere on the behalf on spike but London and Kidman chase them off and it's a no contest. Spike feigns innocence to Mysterio who is all "it's all right man" and goes for the manly hug and Spike stuns him with a Acid Drop and takes the title and says "this is mine!".

 

Boom. Instant Six Man Tag Match with the Cruiserweight and Tag Champions which gives a likely VERY entertaining match and saves two programs for Unforgiven.

[Guest tangerine]

just to add...this appears to be the final card at least as far as i can tell

 

World Tag Team Title Match

Rhyno and Tajiri Vs Le Resistance

 

Woman's Title Match

Trish Stratus Vs Victoria

 

Falls Count Anywhere

Chris Jericho Vs Kane

 

Six Man Tag Team Match

Paul London, Billy Kidman and Rey Mysterio Jr Vs The Dudleyz

 

WWE U.S Title Match

Booker T Vs John Cena

 

WWE I.C Title Match

Batistia Vs Edge

 

Triple H Vs Eugene

 

WWE Title Match

John Bradshaw Layfield Vs Undertaker

 

Kurt Angle Vs Eddy Guerrero

 

World Title Match

Chris Benoit Vs Randy Orton

[Exslade ZX 0]

Same here, I could see Spike getting convinced he needs his brothers to beat Mysterio and get the title. So they do the Spike/Mysterio match, D-von and Bubba come to interfere on the behalf on spike but London and Kidman chase them off and it's a no contest. Spike feigns innocence to Mysterio who is all "it's all right man" and goes for the manly hug and Spike stuns him with a Acid Drop and takes the title and says "this is mine!".

 

Boom. Instant Six Man Tag Match with the Cruiserweight and Tag Champions which gives a likely VERY entertaining match and saves two programs for Unforgiven.

They could always do what they did with...Trish/Bubba,Jazz/Stevie I believe. All titles on the line in the same match. Meaning if London, Kidman, Rey win, Rey's the cruiser champ, ,DUdleyz win they get the tag titles back, that would make it somewhat more entertaining if the match goes through.

[Dark Age 0]

I dissagree with you all.

 

What does age have to do with it? Just because Randy Orton is 23, doesn't make him any less over.

 

Randy Orton is not perfect, everyone knows that. He still needs to improve in certain areas. But right now he is alot better then most wrestlers in the WWE. He does have charisma, he can cut a very good heel promo, and he can work a decent match(great match if given the right wrestler to carry him).

 

And like I said in the pervious post, it all depends on how Benoit makes him out to be in the match at Summerslam. Everyone was scared of the thought of Lesnar being World Champ, until The Rock made him look like a million bucks at Summerslam 02.

 

Benoit could do the excat same for Orton.

 

I personally would rather wait until Survivor Series to put the belt on Orton, but I personally wouldn't mind him holding the belt now. It could be alot worse. I'd rather Orton have it, then Edge.

If he still needs to improve in certain areas, why give him the belt? Why not wait until he has improved? The point about him being 23 is not that someone that young shouldn't be given the belt. It's that he has YEARS ahead of him. He doesn't need the belt yet. What happens when he wins it? Where does he go from there? Does he win it another 10 times in his career? Why not milk the likes of Benoit, Shawn, Jericho, Kane, even Triple H for all they are worth now? In 5 years time when some of the guys are retired, Orton is still going to be around and he's still going to be young. It's not like they NEED another main eventer right now. The other guys are doing fine. Save Orton for later, when he's needed.

 

He is not, as you say, alot better than most wrestlers. Randy Orton is a pretty average wrestler, who still needs to improve ALOT. There is nothing wrong with that. He's 23 years old, he's still improving, he's not supposed to be great yet. They've done a good job protecting Orton by putting him in there with guys like Jericho, Shawn, Foley and Shelton. Guys who are WAY better than Orton. They got him over by constantly pushing him down our throats, and some times that is what you got to do. What that means, however, is that Randy wasn't completely 'accepted'. It's not like with Cena, who was immediatley over after changing gimmicks, and got over without much of a push. Randy got over by winning matches, by being put over everyone else. It means his push was forced, and he's getting face reactions now because of how many guys he went over.

 

On Raw, Benoit, Jericho, Trips, Shawn, Edge, Christian and Kane are all better to push right now. Orton can wait. Give him the IC Title back, and let him feud with Edge and Shelton for the rest of the year. He isn't needed, and doesnt need to be, in the main event.

 

You admit yourself, he needs to be carried to a great match. When all he can have is decent matches with good workers, then he shouldn't be NEAR the title. Look at Benoit. He can get a good match out of an average at best worker, like Kane. Could Randy Orton have as good a match with a better worker than Kane (say, Triple H) than Benoit could? I doubt it. Guys like Benoit can make themeselves and their opponent look good. Thus a good match. Randy Orton can not YET do this. Don't give him the title.

 

And Edge is a better choice for the title than Orton.

[EricMM 0]

Thats actually a very good point.

 

He is young, and in theory he can wait until other people leave in a few years to get the title.

 

But on the other hand, wrestling is a dangerous sport. What if he breaks his neck in the next match on raw, or tears something on a house show? For every RVD who seems to be immortal, you've got a Christopher Nowiski who is injured when he's still "young", irreversably.

 

Maybe, just maybe, they should strike while the iron's hot?

 

And Orton is way more champ material than the current edge-less "Edge". If Edge actually does something of note (calling Orton's daddy Piper's bitch helped) then he'll be ready too.

[Dark Age 0]

But injuries are a part of wrestling. You could use the same argument to push EVERYONE now. He may be injured with a couple of years, so let's push him now. Regardless of if Randy gets seriously injured in the next few years, it doesn't matter. Someone else will come along to take his place. It's different with maybe someone like Rock who is completely unique and one of a kind. Randy doesn't have that. He's gonna be good, but there are tons of guys who can be just as good.

[EricMM 0]

I agree with waiting, I feel that he's not ready yet.

 

BUT, I do see him right now as "champion" material, at least as much as anyone is. Benoit? The smark in me loves Benoit's matches. But at the same time, Orton is more charasmatic to me. So I would say Orton has as much "champion quality" as Benoit does, if totally DIFFERENT qualities.

 

I can't see Christian as champ right now, or even Kane. Edge would be awful if he won the strap tomorrow. But Jericho, HHH, Benoit, and yes Orton are who I feel are right now over in the ways a champ should be.

[Dark Age 0]

But let me ask the question: Would Orton be able to hold his own in matches against the likes of Kane, Batista or A-Train like Benoit has in the past? Or would he constantly need to wrestle guys like Jericho and Benoit to stay over? There are limits with Orton; there are none with Benoit. Orton wouldn't be able to make a match with Triple H or Kane work like Benoit can. He doesn't have "it" in the ring yet. Yeah, he's charasmatic (kinda) and seems to have all the tools, but the one thing he doesn't have is the most important of all. The in-ring skills of a Champion. You can tell he's still rough round the edges, and that hes till has alot to learn. Let him learn, and THEN put the belt on him. Not now.

 

Benoit seems better suited for 'champion' than Orton does. Despite what many think, wrestling ability is still the most important quality in this day and edge. You can get over without great mic skills, you can get over without being charasmatic, you can get over despite being a bad actor. It's hard to get over in the main event if you aren't a good or competent wrestler. It takes something special for fans to overlook your in-ring ability. Orton, for all his superstar qualities, looks lost at times in the ring. He STILL doesn't know how to work a bodypart (which seems to be the most important thing in WWE these days) and that affects the meat of his matches.

[Exslade ZX 0]

In 5 years time when some of the guys are retired, Orton is still going to be around and he's still going to be young. It's not like they NEED another main eventer right now. The other guys are doing fine. Save Orton for later, when he's needed.

If this is the case...why does everyone whine and complain when they find out there's gonna be another Triple H title reign? Or that Triple H is gonna be main eventing the next PPV. Or Shawn Michaels main eventing is getting old. ANd so on. If People didn't complain about the current main event so much..maybe you'd be right. Maybe the WWE wouldn't need a new main eventer. But fact is, most complain about almost every main eventer that they do have....so evidently WWE does need more/different main eventers. Of course Orton will be another that a lot complain about...but still people get tired of some guys main eventing PPv after PPV after PPV..well they're getting what they asked for if he does win. A new main eventer.

[Dark Age 0]

I think people want things mixed up a bit. Triple H getting the title, or main eventing, wouldn't bother me if it didn't happen at every single pay per view. Using these guys well is the key. Triple H is overused.

 

The reason they feel the need to make Orton a main eventer is because they think they have no else. They feel that only Triple H, Shawn and maybe Benoit are main eventers, so they need to use Orton. What they SHOULD be doing is using Jericho, Booker, RVD and Hardy in a main event capacity and letting them mix it up with Triple H, Benoit and Shawn. Orton, Shelton and, to a lesser extent, Edge have a long time left. Use them later and let them fill up the IC Title division now.

[AndrewTS 0]

And just what exactly is this...hasn't earned it based on exactly? I mean...what's to say Austin had even earned his title the first time he got it? Just because he's been in wrestle a while...that doesn't really mean much. You can work at...well let's just say Taco Bell for 20 years. Doesn't mean you're qualified to be a manager.

Let's see, Austin only had been getting over quite strongly WCW despite his depushing, was a fantastic wrestler who could get great matches out of nearly everyone, got insanely over in the Stone Cold gimmick in WWF, was bursting with charisma, and proved to be one of the biggest successes in wrestling ever.

 

Yes, he was ready. It had nothing to do with him being in wrestling 8 years or 5 or whatever. He had everything he needed and then some.

 

You talk about Orton's only been doing his 'earning' for 2 and a half years..a lot of it injured...but I beg to differ. If you coming from a wrestling family whether others see it or not..you've been dealing with it all your life. So technically if you're going by 'time with the business' and 'paying dues' (We don't know what goes on backstage) Randy has earned his title shot more then let's say..Triple H..? HBK..? Other guys who had only been in wrestling about 9-12 however many years.

 

Tiger Ali Singh, David Flair, David Sammartino, Erik Watts...

 

The "second/third/whatever" generation argument doesn't really strike me as too big a deal. Sure, there have been some successful and semi-successful wrestling families, but the Ortons aren't exactly the first, third, or tenth one I think of.

 

  Yea...that's kind of farfetched..but the point is who are you exactly to say whether he's earned it or not?

 

The burden of proof isn't on me to prove he hasn't earned it. It's for him to prove he has.

 

So he's improved four-fold in his wrestling (still has plenty of flaws in his work, though) and finally has strong heat after hanging around with Ric Flair and Triple H and working matches with the likes of HBK and Benoit. He was set up in a program against Foley which finally got him over. Bravo. It sure as hell took long enough.

 

The investment in him has somewhat paid off, but what has he "earned?" He hasn't earned the right to be champion, in my opinion.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

just to add...this appears to be the final card at least as far as i can tell

 

World Tag Team Title Match

Rhyno and Tajiri Vs Le Resistance

 

Woman's Title Match

Trish Stratus Vs Victoria

 

Falls Count Anywhere

Chris Jericho Vs Kane

 

Six Man Tag Team Match

Paul London, Billy Kidman and Rey Mysterio Jr Vs The Dudleyz

 

WWE U.S Title Match

Booker T Vs John Cena

 

WWE I.C Title Match

Batistia Vs Edge

 

Triple H Vs Eugene

 

WWE Title Match

John Bradshaw Layfield Vs Undertaker

 

Kurt Angle Vs Eddy Guerrero

 

World Title Match

Chris Benoit Vs Randy Orton

That looks right, except thats 10 matches, seems like too many. I would expect the RAW tag title matych on Heat. And if they did go with 10 matches, I think they would add another SD match, like something with Luther or say RVD vs Dupree.

[Promoter 0]

Okay, I like these kind of debates because I bet this is how the board room of wwe have thier little tit tats. Let's look at the positives of putting the strap on Randy Orton.

 

-It opens up the wwe main event scene on raw for faces to chase a new champion besides Triple H. Yes, Orton is not really fully ready, but look who the contenders for Orton would be....Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels, Eugene(who can wrestle), Edge(who has the record of ending his I-C reign), perhaps Flair and Triple H down the line and even the long shot of The Rock.

 

-It opens up the storylines. You got the Evolution breaking up storyline as the coup de grace. They can tease it all the way to WrestleMania or break them up as soon as monday's raw. It shakes up the main event scene and can actually create spots for guys to make a new Evolution.

 

-The negatives are that Orton may not be ready and able to carry the mantle of champion. It can cause a similar situation that Brock Lesnar faced in getting things too quickly. However, if Orton is suppose to be the evolution of the sport I think another storyline can be spun here. Orton can try to break Flair's record and not rush it since he has YEARS to do it. Triple H doing it may seem more forced. However, Orton can become a flash in the pan when all is said and done.

 

-The positives of Benoit as champ is that he can wrestle a toothpick in the ring and make it seem like a competitve match where you second guess if he can retain. What would be the list of contenders however? Triple H, Ric Flair, Batista, Orton, Kane(not likely since he's involved with the silly pregnant angle), Christian(wouldn't be compelling), HBK(maybe, but unlikely as well as Jericho), and maybe Edge. If there is one match-up where Benoit can be built up to lose the strap I don't see it which is why I guess I could see there being no reason for him to drop it by some. However, I can't see where the wwe can lead Benoit after SummerSlam and actually make the title seem as the most important thing on raw if Triple H is not going to regain the strap. This is not Benoit's fault admittedly though.

 

Another thing to take notice here is if the wwe feels Orton is following somewhat of the Rock template. The Rock arguably wasn't ready for the title at Survivor Series '98. They had turned him kind of face, but he was not really built up like say Kane, Taker, Mankind and Austin who were the favourites to win. Maybe that was by design to have the shock of Rock winning and turning back on the fans. They might be trying to do this with Randy Orton at SummerSlam. Also remember about the rumours of Austin winning the title at the Final Four ppv in February 1997. The wwe felt he was a top guy way before winning at WM 14, but just didn't pull the trigger. I think it really all depends on what they do monday night on raw. It has to come down to Triple H and Orton having conflicts and Orton taking Triple H's spot as the top contender. That is the only real way they can rush this thing with it not coming off lame or have Orton go over in a #1 contender's match the very same night which I think they might do. Let's see first.

[Guest tangerine]

just to add...this appears to be the final card at least as far as i can tell

 

World Tag Team Title Match

Rhyno and Tajiri Vs Le Resistance

 

Woman's Title Match

Trish Stratus Vs Victoria

 

Falls Count Anywhere

Chris Jericho Vs Kane

 

Six Man Tag Team Match

Paul London, Billy Kidman and Rey Mysterio Jr Vs The Dudleyz

 

WWE U.S Title Match

Booker T Vs John Cena

 

WWE I.C Title Match

Batistia Vs Edge

 

Triple H Vs Eugene

 

WWE Title Match

John Bradshaw Layfield Vs Undertaker

 

Kurt Angle Vs Eddy Guerrero

 

World Title Match

Chris Benoit Vs Randy Orton

That looks right, except thats 10 matches, seems like too many. I would expect the RAW tag title matych on Heat. And if they did go with 10 matches, I think they would add another SD match, like something with Luther or say RVD vs Dupree.

Right, I also expect the Raw Tag Match to get the Heat treatment but i dont see how RVD/Dupree gets on this loaded card why would it?

 

It has no meaning, they are being jobbed out....

 

If SummerSlam is supposedly equally Major like WM is...they should have sprung for an extra hour for the telecast.

[Dark Age 0]

-It opens up the wwe main event scene on raw for faces to chase a new champion besides Triple H. Yes, Orton is not really fully ready, but look who the contenders for Orton would be....Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels, Eugene(who can wrestle), Edge(who has the record of ending his I-C reign), perhaps Flair and Triple H down the line and even the long shot of The Rock.

 

You say yourself Orton is not ready. If he's not ready, DON'T PUT THE BELT ON HIM! The 'he's not quite ready bit' negates any argument for putting the belt on Orton. If you're not ready, you don't get the belt. Plain and simple.

 

All of those guys you mentioned could challenge Benoit. Jericho vs Benoit would be better than Orton vs Jericho because you have all the past history of Jericho/Benoit. Play up their tag title reign, the history in WWE, WCW and Japan. Have them tease turning on each other, then blow it off with a MOTYC. You won't get that with Orton. Shawn vs Benoit, again, is better than Orton/Shawn. Orton vs Shawn is one of those matches that just doesn't seem to work, for whatever reason. Plus the feud won't be good ("Shawn Michaels, looks like I'm going to have to kill your legend....... AGAIN"). Benoit/Shawn however, can tease turns, have Shawn go heelish, play up the Bret history, etc. Again, MOTYC blows it off. Not with Orton. All of those guys work with Benoit as much as they would with Orton. Just play Benoit up as the fighting champion who defends against all comers.

 

-It opens up the storylines. You got the Evolution breaking up storyline as the coup de grace. They can tease it all the way to WrestleMania or break them up as soon as monday's raw. It shakes up the main event scene and can actually create spots for guys to make a new Evolution.

 

But that feud doesn't NEED the World Title. Orton vs Triple H and Evolution splitting up are big another stories by themselves. They don't need the title. All you need to do is have Orton get a shot at the title for a ppv. Triple H takes exception to Orton getting a shot and WHAM, you got yourself a feud. The belt would play second fiddle to 'who will side with who, who's gonna be the heel, who will they split' and it doesn't need that. Benoit wil get lost in the shuffle if he loses the belt, letting him run with it for a year would firmly establish him as a main eventer for good.

 

-The negatives are that Orton may not be ready and able to carry the mantle of champion. It can cause a similar situation that Brock Lesnar faced in getting things too quickly. However, if Orton is suppose to be the evolution of the sport I think another storyline can be spun here. Orton can try to break Flair's record and not rush it since he has YEARS to do it. Triple H doing it may seem more forced. However, Orton can become a flash in the pan when all is said and done.

 

Orton OR Triple H breaking Flair's record is a joke in itself. Neither guy should have the distinction of "best ever" that would come with holding the title that many times.

 

Another thing to take notice here is if the wwe feels Orton is following somewhat of the Rock template. The Rock arguably wasn't ready for the title at Survivor Series '98. They had turned him kind of face, but he was not really built up like say Kane, Taker, Mankind and Austin who were the favourites to win. Maybe that was by design to have the shock of Rock winning and turning back on the fans. They might be trying to do this with Randy Orton at SummerSlam. Also remember about the rumours of Austin winning the title at the Final Four ppv in February 1997. The wwe felt he was a top guy way before winning at WM 14, but just didn't pull the trigger. I think it really all depends on what they do monday night on raw. It has to come down to Triple H and Orton having conflicts and Orton taking Triple H's spot as the top contender. That is the only real way they can rush this thing with it not coming off lame or have Orton go over in a #1 contender's match the very same night which I think they might do. Let's see first.

 

Except that the Rock was super, mega over, unlike Orton now. Orton's face reactions don't even TOUCH Rocky's face reactions, while as a heel. Furthermore, Orton's HEEL reactions don't touch Rock'y heel reactions. Orton doesn't get near Rocky in any way at all. WWE can try all they want, but Orton is no Rock. You shouldn't change the World Title for 'Shock Value'. It degrades the belt. I wouldn't want that for any belt, but can atleast accept it for the cruiserweight or tag. World Title? No chance. Austin WAS going to win the belt at Final 4, but got injured during the match so they changed it. And no matter what happens Monday Night, Orton getting made the No. 1 contender will be really rushed and really lame. Him winning the title will just be the icing on the cake.

[algrim 0]

Tangerine has a point, people. If Summerslam is billed as the most important event of the year after Wrestlemania, then have more than 8 matches and go the full 3 hours. Christ, they go out of their way to have the event on very important arenas (MSG, Wembley Stadium, Meadowlands, Toronto Air Centre). Use the extra time to have more matches.

[KTID 0]

my name is not vince as you can probably well read. Just wait and see before you give a sarcasticated reply.

 

 

I fell out of my seat at this.

[Exslade ZX 0]

my name is not vince as you can probably well read. Just wait and see before you give a sarcasticated reply.

 

 

I fell out of my seat at this.

When you pointed it out I almost did too

[Promoter 0]

You say yourself Orton is not ready. If he's not ready, DON'T PUT THE BELT ON HIM! The 'he's not quite ready bit' negates any argument for putting the belt on Orton. If you're not ready, you don't get the belt. Plain and simple.

 

But that feud doesn't NEED the World Title. Orton vs Triple H and Evolution splitting up are big another stories by themselves. They don't need the title. All you need to do is have Orton get a shot at the title for a ppv. Triple H takes exception to Orton getting a shot and WHAM, you got yourself a feud. The belt would play second fiddle to 'who will side with who, who's gonna be the heel, who will they split' and it doesn't need that. Benoit wil get lost in the shuffle if he loses the belt, letting him run with it for a year would firmly establish him as a main eventer for good.[\QUOTE]

 

Orton OR Triple H breaking Flair's record is a joke in itself. Neither guy should have the distinction of "best ever" that would come with holding the title that many times.[\QUOTE]

 

 

Except that the Rock was super, mega over, unlike Orton now. Orton's face reactions don't even TOUCH Rocky's face reactions, while as a heel. Furthermore, Orton's HEEL reactions don't touch Rock'y heel reactions. Orton doesn't get near Rocky in any way at all. WWE can try all they want, but Orton is no Rock. You shouldn't change the World Title for 'Shock Value'. It degrades the belt. I wouldn't want that for any belt, but can atleast accept it for the cruiserweight or tag. World Title? No chance. [\QUOTE]

I agree that this is too soon, but I'm trying to see why they are considering this. I admit that HBK/Orton just did not click, but Orton is better now than he was for that program. Hell, so is HBK who has got back some of his old school groove. I think the wwe screwed up with Jericho/Benoit admittedly. They could have done it for Edmonton's Backlash and they could have done it with the raw from Calgary. Come on, we know it's a smarkish view to think the wwe will give us face Benoit vs. face Jericho for a title match. I'm trying to see how they are seeing this. It is criminal not have a world championship match with the two of these men with their past. The wwe really doesn't like doing face vs. face and you have come up with face challengers for Benoit. The wwe might be seeing this as a detriment to the main event storytelling as Benoit's facdom is sliced with this scenario. It's a shame as the only time Benoit really had the chance to be champion and have a full crowd behind him without slicing was against Kane. Again, the wwe created this problem.

 

I also see the point about the feud not NEEDING the title, but the fact of the matter is if it revolves around Triple H the title will be apart of it. The other option was for Triple H against Benoit with most likely Triple H winning it. The title would somehow be apart of this thing. The title has somehow revolved around Triple H anyways by hook or by crook. Maybe they are thinking to break this they can create a new heel champion that causes tension with Triple H without putting the title back on him instead of finding two million ways to keep him as the top contender for every ppv show. Remember, who Triple H is related to here. I'm surprised he allowed his rematch with Benoit to be replaced for SummerSlam.

 

I know Triple H and Orton breaking Flair's record is kind of a joke, but Flair has one huge advantage and that is back in his day the title wasn't passed around like a $2 whore. I see what you're saying about devaluing the title simply for shock value, but Orton WAS I-C Champ for the longest time since The Rock in 1998. This is NOT similar friggin Bradshaw's situation. I also agree that Orton isn't even close to what Rock was in the weeks leading up to his title win at Survivor Series. I don't know I like the risk, but there is a big chance of this bombing if not executed properly in his title win AND his title reign. I don't think they can do what they did for him with the I-C reign. He must defend more regularly being the main event.

[Guest tangerine]

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[Dark Age 0]

Promoter, I understand what your saying. You're looking at it from WWE's point of view, and what you said is probably what they are thinking. I was just poiting out the faults in what they're thinking.