Kerry did do something (apparently)

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/4/171036/1806

 

I'm waiting on the transcript, but a moment ago Donna Brazille killed the "John Kerry was an indistinguished as a Senator" meme.

 

In the "rapid fire" section of Crossfire she said the following to a Republican Strategist...

 

"Dick Cheney was in the house for over a decade. How many bills did he pass?"

 

The Republican Strategist paused, looked physically ill, then tried to change the subject by saying "Well, he was aknowledged as a leader."

 

There was laughter in the crowd.

 

But Brazille didn't let him go. She leaned forward  and very calmly told the truth.

 

"2 bills".

 

2 bills for Cheney. 57 for Kerry.

 

Code blue! Code Blue!

 

Um... never mind... play taps, 'cause the meme is dead.

 

Although, I can hear it now.. "He only passed 57 bills? that's nothing at all!" (but, i'm sure someone will mention some math formula involving the 435 house members, the 100 senators, the terms of service, to show Cheney's production was higher than Kerry's)

 

But supposedly later on in the show, the same strategist said that Kerry was hoping for attacks before the election.

 

Well.. ok then..

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

Is this baseball? Who gives a flying fuck about STATS?

 

The substance of what these people do is more important. If Senator Kerry is stupid enough to voluntarily bring up his record, he'll be beaten easily.

[Guest INXS]

I honestly could not care less. I'd take almost anyone over Bush at this point.

[Styles 0]

I honestly could not care less. I'd take almost anyone over Bush at this point.

Well considering you're not American, you have no say in the issue. And thank God for that!

[Guest GreatOne]

I honestly could not care less. I'd take almost anyone over Bush at this point.

Would that include Osama Bin Laden?

[Guest thebigjig]

I honestly could not care less. I'd take almost anyone over Bush at this point.

Would that include Osama Bin Laden?

I hope thats a joke

[snuffbox 0]

Is this baseball? Who gives a flying fuck about STATS?

 

The substance of what these people do is more important. If Senator Kerry is stupid enough to voluntarily bring up his record, he'll be beaten easily.

But its ok that Cheney only passed two bills?

[Special K 0]

Well, duh. If you don't have anything intelligent to say:

1. Call someone Osama or Hitler

2. Say someone would support Osama or Hitler

3. If someone's an idealist, do the same as above, with stalin, lenin, etc.

 

If you can compare to/call someone a mass-murderer:

 

 

 

YOU FUCKING WIN! You made your point indisputably! This applies to both liberals and democrats!

Call Bush Hitler! (Because, you know, he caused the Holocaust)

Say that if you want National Health Care (isn't that defined under LIFE liberty pursuit of happiness) That you love Lenin and Stalin and Mao Tse Tung!

 

Then turn around a walk away. 'Cause you=the smartest.

[Guest GreatOne]

I honestly could not care less. I'd take almost anyone over Bush at this point.

Would that include Osama Bin Laden?

I hope thats a joke

What'd he say? He said 'Anybody but Bush', and given there's a groundswell among the 'Anybody But Bush' crowd that would probably vote for him if he had the chance (Patty Murray's rather fond of him), it's not a joke. Well it is, but more in the 'sad' way.

[snuffbox 0]

I honestly could not care less. I'd take almost anyone over Bush at this point.

Would that include Osama Bin Laden?

I hope thats a joke

What'd he say? He said 'Anybody but Bush', and given there's a groundswell among the 'Anybody But Bush' crowd that would probably vote for him if he had the chance (Patty Murray's rather fond of him), it's not a joke. Well it is, but more in the 'sad' way.

the fuck?

[Guest GreatOne]

Alright, let me clarify:

 

1)The 'Anybody But Bush' groundswell is so extreme that one would think that Bin Laden WOULD get the nod if he were running against Bush.

 

2)Patty Murray is a senator from this state who each day makes me more and more sorry I voted for her in 96. She made headlines by praising Osama's 'great work for his countrymen' in a speech to high schoolers on the west side of this state (I wanna say just outside Tacoma but I'm not sure) in December 2002.

 

3)Jiggy asked me if I was joking about INXS voting for Bin Laden over Bush if he had the chance? No I wasn't joking (see above). Yes it IS a joke, but in merely the sad way (him voting for OBL/UBL) as opposed to being funny................

 

Better?

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Stop posting. You're a moron.

[Guest GreatOne]

Yeah okay, Howard.........

 

I guess Tyler ain't my friend either, DAMN!!!!!!!

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Yeah, because saying "LOL I BET LIBERALS WOULD VOTE FOR OBL" is REALLY raising the level of discourse. I stand by my assessment that you're as big a moron as INXS when it comes to American politics.

[Guest GreatOne]

Yeah, because saying "LOL I BET LIBERALS WOULD VOTE FOR OBL" is REALLY raising the level of discourse. I stand by my assessment that you're as big a moron as INXS when it comes to American politics.

You're right, how dare I say that some people who throw out OMGBUSH=HITLER2004!!!!!! at will and call Bush 'the real terrorist' might be inclined to vote for 'that nice old man that takes care of his people' over him.

 

Yep, how dare I???????

 

I'm a moron? This coming from a guy that supported the Democrats' answer to the Ultimate Warrior, YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

You know, the Dean incident wasn't even an incident. People were looking for a reason to get Dean out of the way. The media, to their infinite credit, used the instance to show him as someone who was slightly out there. Yes, he may have had some different ideas, and sure, he may not have been the greatest choice for the Democrats. But the whole "scream" was him trying to rally, you know, the people in the gym at the time. You know, cause having enthusiasm is bad, or something.

 

Your level of idiocy also continues to grow when you go on saying that some Libs would vote for OBL. So, what if I quote some of the people who claim that Dubya was appointed by God to be President? Both sides of wackos. The Repubs do a better job of covering 'em up.

 

Do us all a favor, try to put some reasoning into what you post before moving your fingers.

 

--Ryan

...who is now dumber for having read some of these posts...

[Guest GreatOne]

You know, the Dean incident wasn't even an incident. People were looking for a reason to get Dean out of the way. The media, to their infinite credit, used the instance to show him as someone who was slightly out there. Yes, he may have had some different ideas, and sure, he may not have been the greatest choice for the Democrats. But the whole "scream" was him trying to rally, you know, the people in the gym at the time. You know, cause having enthusiasm is bad, or something.

 

Your level of idiocy also continues to grow when you go on saying that some Libs would vote for OBL. So, Both sides of wackos. The Repubs do a better job of covering 'em up.

 

Do us all a favor, try to put some reasoning into what you post before moving your fingers.

 

--Ryan

Uh clown the media didn't have to do anything, Dean did that all himself. No one had to make him look 'out there', he took care of that. I'm sure Dean was whipped here in the WA primary because 'it was all the media'.

 

So, what if I quote some of the people who claim that Dubya was appointed by God to be President?

 

So God is the leader of a terrorist movement?

 

...who is now dumber for having read some of these posts...

 

Maybe you were just that way to begin with..............

[Special K 0]

Hey, Greatone, as a fellow Washingtonian, who's independant in the literal sense, could you give me the full quote from Murray in context? 'Cause if she said that, she ain't getting my vote.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

If GreatOne is older than 14, I'll be depressed.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Osama bin Laden has been very, very effective being we've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries? He has been in many countries that are riddled with poverty. People don't have phones, no sewers, no roads, no schools, no health care, no facilities just to make sure their daily lives are OK. He's been out in these countries for decades building roads, building schools, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. It made their lives better. We have not done that. We haven't been out in many of these countries helping them build infrastructure.

How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?

- Patty Murray, December 2002, Vancouver, WA

 

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0307/howland.php

[snuffbox 0]

Yeah, because saying "LOL I BET LIBERALS WOULD VOTE FOR OBL" is REALLY raising the level of discourse. I stand by my assessment that you're as big a moron as INXS when it comes to American politics.

You're right, how dare I say that some people who throw out OMGBUSH=HITLER2004!!!!!! at will and call Bush 'the real terrorist' might be inclined to vote for 'that nice old man that takes care of his people' over him.

 

Yep, how dare I???????

 

I'm a moron? This coming from a guy that supported the Democrats' answer to the Ultimate Warrior, YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Dean got McGoverned...he made that shout in a roomfull of college kids...its common sense to see how that was a fairly normal thing to do in those circumstances. Sometimes, greatone, it helps to know about the situation.

 

Also, cnn later apologized for showing the clip....they cited its irrelevance.

 

And, I think the only kids who do the OMGLOL thing here are the republicans...

[Guest GreatOne]

Hey, Greatone, as a fellow Washingtonian, who's independant in the literal sense, could you give me the full quote from Murray in context? 'Cause if she said that, she ain't getting my vote.

Murray's remarks on Bin Laden draw GOP ire

 

Now note that while she did call Bin Laden an evil terrorist, methinks you wouldn't try to emphasize his humanitarian efforts at the same time. It's like saying if Kevin Coe or Gary Greenway had given to all these charities. (one's a serial rapist from Spokane and the other's the Green River (Seattle) killer for all you non-WAs)

 

As for independent, there's Mark Wilson. He joined with the Green Party a few months back but hell you could give him a shot.

[Guest GreatOne]

If GreatOne is older than 14, I'll be depressed.

Awww, guess Edwin ain't my friend either cause he basically just called me an ignorant 12-year old. I am older than 14 though so get your Kleenex handy.

 

BTW GreatOne-haters, I'm still not caring..............but I guess by bringing that up I really DO care right? OK.....................

[snuffbox 0]

If GreatOne is older than 14, I'll be depressed.

Awww, guess Edwin ain't my friend either cause he basically just called me an ignorant 12-year old. I am older than 14 though so get your Kleenex handy.

 

BTW GreatOne-haters, I'm still not caring..............but I guess by bringing that up I really DO care right? OK.....................

Its gettin pretty sad young'n.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Awww, guess Edwin ain't my friend either cause he basically just called me an ignorant 12-year old.

There's no 'basically' about it.

[Special K 0]

That's a pretty whack quote, I don't think she's pro Osama, though. look at what she's saying. She's saying the Arab people stick up for him because he helps them out. I don't think it's arguable that Osama loves his own people. What Murray should have gotten iknto is how totally fucked up that worldview is. She's sort of ambiguous here, I think, if you look at what she said.

 

Although, I'm sure she didn't follow it up and say whbat she actually meant, because it's such a blunder.

 

If I answered the question why do so many people love Osama with "he kills Americans,' That's the crux of the matter. But someone could take that out of context as I want to kill Americans. But that is, essentially why a lot of people love him.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Dean got McGoverned...

 

MCGOVERN'D!

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

So God is the leader of a terrorist movement?

 

Well, we could interpret that in many different ways.

 

The obvious answer is no, no he isn't, which is the one that you would use for most sane people.

 

However, because you've asked me too, I'll use two different perspectives here. Think about the Crusades throughout the Middle Ages, the Spanish Inqusitions, etc. In the name of God, they executed and tortured all those that weren't Catholic. How does that make them any better than OBL? Aren't they acting in the same manner?

 

Then we have the Middle East today, who claim that their actions come through Allah, which for those not paying attention so far, is God. So using our own rhetoric calling these same people terrorists, wouldn't that therefore mean God is the head of these terrorist organizations?

 

Just applying your own logic to the situation.

 

Do I believe a word of what I just typed? Nope. But hey, you made the statement to start it off.

 

--Ryan

...who wonders why Darwin hasn't found this one...

[Special K 0]

People will use any idology to take control of people.

 

Look at Communism, which is the most passive (and non-religious) doctrine at its core.

 

Look at Romans persecuting Christians.

 

Look at the Romans turning around and declaring that Christianity was the way.

 

Spanish Inquisition etc etc etc

 

Religion isn't evil, however, when people are completely devoted to an idea, they can be easily manipulated to evil means. It's the fucking truth.

 

Bush thinks God directs him to do things. THAT IS FUCKING DANGEROUS. No one knows what God thinks. not the Pope, since they've contradictede themselves many times. Belief in God is good, since I think the vast majority of the time it leads to people living good lives. But completely accepting everything you're told because you're too goddamkn stupid to read the Bible and get the whole point is dangerous.

 

Oh and any individual can warp any peaceful religion's teaching to evil means, if they're just bad people who found religion. If you go to someone's funeral, someone who was murdered horribly, and stand outside with signs that say 'God hates fags'. Then you are evil and rotten to the motherfucking core. You just want so badly to hate that it burns over, and you use religion to spread that hate to others.

[snuffbox 0]

People will use any idology to take control of people.

 

Look at Communism, which is the most passive (and non-religious) doctrine at its core.

 

Look at Romans persecuting Christians.

 

Look at the Romans turning around and declaring that Christianity was the way.

 

Spanish Inquisition etc etc etc

 

Religion isn't evil, however, when people are completely devoted to an idea, they can be easily manipulated to evil means. It's the fucking truth.

 

Bush thinks God directs him to do things. THAT IS FUCKING DANGEROUS. No one knows what God thinks. not the Pope, since they've contradictede themselves many times. Belief in God is good, since I think the vast majority of the time it leads to people living good lives. But completely accepting everything you're told because you're too goddamkn stupid to read the Bible and get the whole point is dangerous.

 

Oh and any individual can warp any peaceful religion's teaching to evil means, if they're just bad people who found religion. If you go to someone's funeral, someone who was murdered horribly, and stand outside with signs that say 'God hates fags'. Then you are evil and rotten to the motherfucking core. You just want so badly to hate that it burns over, and you use religion to spread that hate to others.

'You worship Satan'

-Johnboy Ashcroft