Guest thebigjig Report post Posted August 6, 2004 CNN Discuss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Don't worry. When the tax cuts, uh, come into... The economy is good. Don't question it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Don't worry. When the tax cuts, uh, come into... The economy is good. Don't question it. I will remind you that you are actually siding with jig on something. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Yes, I'm agreeing with his assertion that the job growth was pathetically weak this month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted August 6, 2004 At least I've still got mine. Smoke 'em if you got 'em. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Yes, I'm agreeing with his assertion that the job growth was pathetically weak this month. Yet the unemployment rate dropped. Odd. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Don't worry. When the tax cuts, uh, come into... The economy is good. Don't question it. I will remind you that you are actually siding with jig on something. -=Mike Yes and we also both agree that Michael Moore is very fat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Don't worry. When the tax cuts, uh, come into... The economy is good. Don't question it. I will remind you that you are actually siding with jig on something. -=Mike Yes and we also both agree that Michael Moore is very fat I think Moore is anorexic after reading this. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...s_nm/economy_dc The department said the unemployment rate fell to 5.5 percent last month from 5.6 percent in June, but it warned the figure was drawn from a survey of households, which is a less reliable barometer of month-to-month changes in employment than its larger survey of businesses. The Bush administration seized on the drop in the jobless rate as a bright spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted August 6, 2004 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...s_nm/economy_dc The department said the unemployment rate fell to 5.5 percent last month from 5.6 percent in June, but it warned the figure was drawn from a survey of households, which is a less reliable barometer of month-to-month changes in employment than its larger survey of businesses. The Bush administration seized on the drop in the jobless rate as a bright spot. *whistles* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 I was really surprised when I saw this on CNN this morning. Everyone – EVERYONE – had been predicting well over 200,000 new jobs in July. Now Greenspan’s theory that June was just a seasonal blip isn’t nearly as reassuring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 OMG, this is some sort of conspiracy by all the ecomomists to make Bush look bad. --- Seriously, did anyone think that the predictions of 200-300,000 new jobs last month would actually be near the actual number? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 I was really surprised when I saw this on CNN this morning. Everyone – EVERYONE – had been predicting well over 200,000 new jobs in July. Now Greenspan’s theory that June was just a seasonal blip isn’t nearly as reassuring. Shit happens. We've got this massive oil cost problem (I guess the war WASN'T for oil, huh?). Economy is STILL growing, new jobs are STILL being created, and the rate is STILL going down. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Shit happens. We've got this massive oil cost problem (I guess the war WASN'T for oil, huh?). Economy is STILL growing, new jobs are STILL being created, and the rate is STILL going down. -=Mike When did I say anything about oil? I don't really know what you're trying to convince me of here. I understand all that; I just wish that the people making these projections would make them more reasonable, and that the Fed wouldn't raise interest rates again. The projections were off by over 80% for July, so let's go slowly and figure out what's going on first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Shit happens. We've got this massive oil cost problem (I guess the war WASN'T for oil, huh?). Economy is STILL growing, new jobs are STILL being created, and the rate is STILL going down. -=Mike When did I say anything about oil? I don't really know what you're trying to convince me of here. I understand all that; I just wish that the people making these projections would make them more reasonable, and that the Fed wouldn't raise interest rates again. The projections were off by over 80% for July, so let's go slowly and figure out what's going on first. I didn't really get the last rate hike, either (yes, the economy was growing well --- but inflationary pressures were caused LARGELY by rising oil and dairy prices) --- but one must not question Alan Greenspan. I wish people would eventually realize that the power of a President to "create" jobs is fairly negligible. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Well I would also like to hear in these news reports more about the kinds of jobs that are being "created" and how they compare to the jobs that were lost as far as wage and quality go. Does losing an engineering job and becoming a cashier at Wal-Mart a month later qualify for "job created" ? Personally, I don't think people that live in or around bigger cities ever feel the pinch of a bad economy anyway. Where I live, there is usually always going to be jobs no matter what, whether the news says the economy is good or bad, however in more rural areas of the country one big plant or warehouse getting shutdown can basically cripple the local economy. I just don't think the media gives us enough information in the vague reports on the economy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Well I would also like to hear in these news reports more about the kinds of jobs that are being "created" and how they compare to the jobs that were lost as far as wage and quality go. Does losing an engineering job and becoming a cashier at Wal-Mart a month later qualify for "job created" ? As would I, considering that this reeks of BS and all. Personally, I don't think people that live in or around bigger cities ever feel the pinch of a bad economy anyway. Where I live, there is usually always going to be jobs no matter what, whether the news says the economy is good or bad, however in more rural areas of the country one big plant or warehouse getting shutdown can basically cripple the local economy. I just don't think the media gives us enough information in the vague reports on the economy. So, even though you and everybody you know is doing just fine --- you just assume most others must be suffering? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). So, YOU are doing badly? -=Mike ..."New jobs are ALWAYS fast good and dept. stores?" Funny, a hospital just opened locally and quite a few jobs are open THERE... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). So, YOU are doing badly? -=Mike ..."New jobs are ALWAYS fast good and dept. stores?" Funny, a hospital just opened locally and quite a few jobs are open THERE... Yes I am. Pay is down, jobs are decreasing regularly, behefits being cut...the only new ones are always low pay/low hours employment. Ive seen dozens of local factories moved to foreign locales in the past few years...dozens of factories = hundreds of jobs. And to spare you the response Mike - Bill Clinton stole those jobs and Sean Hannity has a delicious penis -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Well I would also like to hear in these news reports more about the kinds of jobs that are being "created" and how they compare to the jobs that were lost as far as wage and quality go. Does losing an engineering job and becoming a cashier at Wal-Mart a month later qualify for "job created" ? As would I, considering that this reeks of BS and all. Personally, I don't think people that live in or around bigger cities ever feel the pinch of a bad economy anyway. Where I live, there is usually always going to be jobs no matter what, whether the news says the economy is good or bad, however in more rural areas of the country one big plant or warehouse getting shutdown can basically cripple the local economy. I just don't think the media gives us enough information in the vague reports on the economy. So, even though you and everybody you know is doing just fine --- you just assume most others must be suffering? -=Mike I work a temp job and go to school, so yes I guess I am doing fine relatively speaking, but I am not trying to raise a family and am not in a situation where losing my temp job would drastically hurt. However, it is pretty ignorant to look at your own situation and then turn a blind eye to everything else going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). So, YOU are doing badly? -=Mike ..."New jobs are ALWAYS fast good and dept. stores?" Funny, a hospital just opened locally and quite a few jobs are open THERE... Yes I am. Pay is down, jobs are decreasing regularly, behefits being cut...the only new ones are always low pay/low hours employment. Ive seen dozens of local factories moved to foreign locales in the past few years...dozens of factories = hundreds of jobs. And to spare you the response Mike - Bill Clinton stole those jobs and Sean Hannity has a delicious penis -=Mike Is YOUR PAY specifically down? Don't give me these generalities --- Is YOUR PAY specifically down? Seeing as how YOU know approximately SHIT about others, your anecdotes are irrelevant. And, funny, I almost never listen to Sean. However, you desire to fellate him is hardly shocking. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). So, YOU are doing badly? -=Mike ..."New jobs are ALWAYS fast good and dept. stores?" Funny, a hospital just opened locally and quite a few jobs are open THERE... Yes I am. Pay is down, jobs are decreasing regularly, behefits being cut...the only new ones are always low pay/low hours employment. Ive seen dozens of local factories moved to foreign locales in the past few years...dozens of factories = hundreds of jobs. And to spare you the response Mike - Bill Clinton stole those jobs and Sean Hannity has a delicious penis -=Mike oh and don't forget Bush has been endorsing lately, "FLEX HOURS" aka screw people out of overtime...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). So, YOU are doing badly? -=Mike ..."New jobs are ALWAYS fast good and dept. stores?" Funny, a hospital just opened locally and quite a few jobs are open THERE... Yes I am. Pay is down, jobs are decreasing regularly, behefits being cut...the only new ones are always low pay/low hours employment. Ive seen dozens of local factories moved to foreign locales in the past few years...dozens of factories = hundreds of jobs. And to spare you the response Mike - Bill Clinton stole those jobs and Sean Hannity has a delicious penis -=Mike oh and don't forget Bush has been endorsing lately, "FLEX HOURS" aka screw people out of overtime...... You know, I'll take the word of people who know shit about economics and the proposals. Considering how badly you demagogue anything Bush has passed (you never could explain all of the atrocities that the Patriot Act led to), you are hardly a solid source of info. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Anyone living in a low-income working class area knows that the economy is still terrible...decent jobs coninue to go overseas, and the new jobs are always department stores and fast food(always lower pay, less benefits, and less hours). So, YOU are doing badly? -=Mike ..."New jobs are ALWAYS fast good and dept. stores?" Funny, a hospital just opened locally and quite a few jobs are open THERE... Yes I am. Pay is down, jobs are decreasing regularly, behefits being cut...the only new ones are always low pay/low hours employment. Ive seen dozens of local factories moved to foreign locales in the past few years...dozens of factories = hundreds of jobs. And to spare you the response Mike - Bill Clinton stole those jobs and Sean Hannity has a delicious penis -=Mike oh and don't forget Bush has been endorsing lately, "FLEX HOURS" aka screw people out of overtime...... You know, I'll take the word of people who know shit about economics and the proposals. Considering how badly you demagogue anything Bush has passed (you never could explain all of the atrocities that the Patriot Act led to), you are hardly a solid source of info. -=Mike well pardon me if I don't give a shit? It hardly matters with you anyway. I do agree sometimes I may post to quickly without giving a source, but providing a source has never really changed anyone's opinion on anything on this board anyway. I haven't seen anyone ever change their mind because ABC/FOX/BBC/DRUDGE was credited rather then just someone bring stuff up in conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Mike, your deluded partisinship is reaching abysmal levels. Bush says the economy is good, you agree....thousands are suffering through an actually bad time, its just pointless anecdotes. Are these the philosophies you learned in your poli-sci class? Listen to your favorite president, ignore the obvious? Yes, my pay is lower. Yes, my job has laid off workers...myself included for a time. Yes, thousands and thousands have lost jobs. Sorry duder...reality sometimes sucks, even with President GI Joe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 I challenge Mike to reply to that post without flaming snuff. Flame me if you want Mike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Mike, your deluded partisinship is reaching abysmal levels. Bush says the economy is good, you agree....thousands are suffering through an actually bad time, its just pointless anecdotes. The reason he's calling bullshit is because there is a lot of legitimate proof that the economy is coming back, moron. Thousands are suffering? THOUSANDS WERE SUFFERING UNDER CLINTON. There will always be people who are doing badly, no matter what the economic climate is. Throwing out generalities like "Thousands are suffering' IS fucking anedcotal because your only proof is your own personal experience. Lemme talk about my area: Our McDonald's and a lot of our smaller shops are opening up newer jobs. VG's (The grocery store in our area), just hired a ton of new people because they added a new wing onto their store. A Save-A-Lot just opened up and hired a lot of people as well. To me, this is indicative of a great economy, because NONE of this shit was happening under Clinton's watch. Perhaps you just suck at life. Or perhaps they are not at indicitive of the economy. But this mixed report (And it is sufficiently mixed: You can say what you want, but when you have two VERY conflicting reports, you can't judge either at face value. I'm sure housing might be a little less accurate, but 629,000 and 32,000 is a BIG fucking difference), you can't make any sure judgements. We've had a huge amount of job gains in the last 6 months, over a million getting new jobs. Suffice to say, you don't know shit. Are these the philosophies you learned in your poli-sci class? Listen to your favorite president, ignore the obvious? Well, as cited above, you ARE missing a few things. But hey, gotta love that Democratic party, right? Yes, my pay is lower. Yes, my job has laid off workers...myself included for a time. Yes, thousands and thousands have lost jobs. And thousands have gotten them back. A general rule of thumb here: Incredibly vague statemenst with little actual backing mean SHIT. Welcome to reality. Sorry duder...reality sometimes sucks, even with President GI Joe. Indeed, reality sucks. I mean jeez, I just took apart your shittily constructed opinion based on hearsay just like that. But hey, it's all cool, 'duder'. That's how things go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 It is really incredible... Do you realize that you are actually arguing that I am wrong about how my life is? How the lives are around me?...You are actually arguing that I am wrong about this, but politicians who have no idea what this situation is really like are correct only because they are in defense your political party. Incredible. And, again (I have to say this alot here), Im not a Democrat...I am a registered Libertarian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 It is really incredible... Do you realize that you are actually arguing that I am wrong about how my life is? How the lives are around me?...You are actually arguing that I am wrong about this, but politicians who have no idea what this situation is really like are correct only because they are in defense your political party. Incredible. I'm arguing (And very simply) that your life isn't always indicitive of the economic situation. My life is going great, and I got a low paying job as well. I have friends who are doing GREAT GREAT GREAT right now. That doesn't necessarily mean the economy is great though. Just because some people around you are having a shitty time doesn't mean the economy is doing badly. It means they are having a shitty time. People did poorly under Clinton as well, but that's widely regarded as a fantastic economic climate. You evidence IS acentdotal: It's completely based around ancedotes of your life hence why we call it that. Acentdotal evidence is generally not reliable when you are trying to look at a big picture situation. I don't care if you know how badly your friends are doing off, because it's obviously offset by how well my friends are doing. Hence why neither of ours can be accurate economic pictures. I'm not a registered Republican. I have severe doubts that I will actually vote for Bush at the moment because, frankly, I'm not happy with him. But... I do like him a lot more than I'll ever like Kerry. I'm either voting Libertarian or Bush, so don't pawn me off as some party politico. I know I used some big words in there, but, do you think you understand... duder? Perhaps if you, ya know, supported your opinions with some facts, you might be taken a bit more seriously than "Slightly-less conspiratorial INXS wanna-be". And, again (I have to say this alot here), Im not a Democrat...I am a registered Libertarian. Heh, yeah, keep telling yourself that; registration to a party doesn't necessarily mean you subscribe to their ideals (See: Miller, Zell). The reason you have to mention it so many times is because you are really a democrat; I haven't seen you ONCE on this board truly express a libertarian point of view. Hey, let's take a poll: Who thinks that snuffbox is truly a liberal guy? Who thinks that he is actually a libertarian? Post your opinions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
