Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Kazushi Sakuraba 118 votes 86% Percentage Undertaker 118 votes 67% Bob Backlund 110 votes 63% Masahiro Chono 86 votes 63% Ultimo Dragon 85 votes 62% Kurt Angle 105 votes 60% -- HHH 103 votes 59% Jesse Ventura 103 votes 59% Don Frye 77 votes 56% Kiyoshi Tamura 74 votes 54% Hiroshi Hase 71 votes 52% Gorilla Monsoon 85 votes 49% Freebirds 76 votes 43% Villano III 41 votes 43% Masakatsu Funaki 57 votes 42% Dick Murdoch 68 votes 39% Paul Heyman 68 votes 39% Aja Kong 53 votes 39% Blue Panther 37 votes 39% Carlos Calon 62 votes 35% Don Owen 59 votes 34% Owen Hart 58 votes 33% Midnight Express 58 votes 33% Jimmy Snuka 58 votes 33% Eddy Guerrero 55 votes 31% Volk Han 43 votes 31% Roy Shire 53 votes 30% Tim "Mr. Wrestling" Woods 51 votes 29% Rock & Roll Express 50 votes 29% Gene & Ole Anderson 43 votes 25% Fabulous Moolah 43 votes 25% Arn Anderson 40 votes 23% Red Bastien 35 votes 20% Jerry Jarrett 33 votes 19% Bill Miller 33 votes 19% Seiji Sakaguchi 25 votes 18% Jun Akiyama 24 votes 18% Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker 30 votes 17% Curt Hennig 28 votes 16% Don Muraco 28 votes 16% Ivan Koloff 25 votes 14% Sting 21 votes 12% John Tolos 21 votes 12% Wilbur Snyder 20 votes 11% Eliminated because of less than 10% from next years ballot: Atlantis, Pepper Gomez, Black Gordman & Great Goliath, Gran Hamada, Original La Parka, The Great Sasuke, Mike & Ben Sharpe, Dr. Wagner, Jr. Next year on the ballot: Chris Jericho, Ken Shamrock, Yoshihiro Takayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Backlund FINALLY got in?! Or am I reading wrong... Nice to see Undertaker & Ultimo get voted in too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Yeah, Backlund finally got in. Angle getting in is a travesty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted August 18, 2004 He's only been a "pro" wrestler (on screen) for barely 5 years, and he's been injured so much it's hard to tell how much of that time was on the preverbial "DL" of wrestling. Nice to see Sting & Curt Hennig get absolutely no love just about as well as L.A. Park (la parka) and The Great Sasuke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 What's up with Sting? The guy WAS WCW from 1988-2001 yet he only gets 21 votes, while Angle gets in for having three great years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Angle was one of the weakest candidates on the ballot and got more votes than almost anyone. It's ridiculous. Even Lex Luger (who hasn't been nominated) has a stronger HOF case than Kurt Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1234-5678 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 I don't know about Luger............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted August 18, 2004 The only advantage that Angle would have over anyone would be his amateur career....but ummmm.......that would make absolutely no sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Angle was one of the weakest candidates on the ballot and got more votes than almost anyone. It's ridiculous. Even Lex Luger (who hasn't been nominated) has a stronger HOF case than Kurt Angle. What are the rules regarding the WON HOF?? Who would vote for Angle? Is it just people who believe everything Meltzer says when he constantly sucks his dick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 I'm pissed about La Parka not making it, and there's no way Gorilla Monsoon isn't making it in by next year. Kurt Angle got in by his extraordinary athletic skill and his potential. But that potential was never tapped into because he never was a top-card guy. There was so much more he could have done that would have made him a strong HOF inductee. I'm happy he made it in because he's one of my favourites currently, but those against him do have a strong case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted August 18, 2004 I'll have to agree on the "Believe anything Meltzer says" theory. Just realized Eddie Guerrero isn't even close to being inducted....(head bursts in anger) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 I don't know about Luger............ Luger's not a HOFer. Nowhere close. But Luger was a bigger draw and had more main event longevity than Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 What are the rules regarding the WON HOF?? Who would vote for Angle? Is it just people who believe everything Meltzer says when he constantly sucks his dick? Meltzer has strangely never set any criteria. The only qualifications to be nominated are that the wrestler either be 35 years old or have 15 years of experience in the business. People in the business, and people Meltzer knows whose opinions he trusts, vote on the HOF. Of course, Dave is incredibly aloof these days and know-littles like Todd Martin end up getting a ballot. They seem to think that Angle at his peak, even if it was short, was the best worker in history, or one of the top handful. I know that's ridiculous, but that's Dave for ya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 To quote people on the Baseball Hall of Fame: It's the Hall of Fame. Not the Hall of Very Good. Who else has been inducted Loss? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 How strange that Angle gets in before Eddie. Hell, I find it strange that Triple H didn't get in. Question: Will Jericho get it in his first year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Perro Aguayo Andre The Giant Bert Assirati Giant Baba Fred Blassie Nick Bockwinkel Bobo Brazil Jack Brisco Bruiser Brody Dick The Bruiser Mildred Burke Abdullah The Butcher Canek Negro Casas Riki Choshu Crusher Lisowski Alfonso Dantes Blue Demon The Destroyer Ted Dibiase The Dusek Family Riot Squad Jackie Fargo Ric Flair Tatsumi Fujinami Dory Funk Jr. Terry Funk Verne Gagne Cavernario Galindo Ed Don George Gorgeous George Frank Gotch Karl Gotch "Superstar" Billy Graham Rene Guajardo Salvador "Gori" Guerrero George Hackenschmidt Stan Hansen Bret Hart Danny Hodge Hulk Hogan Antonio Inoki Rayo De Jalisco Tom Jenkins Don Leo Jonathan The Fabulous Kangaroos Dynamite Kid Gene Kiniski Killer Kowalski Ernie Ladd Jerry Lawler Ed "Strangler" Lewis Jim Londos Akira Maeda Devil Masami Mil Mascaras Tiger Mask (Satoru Sayama) Dump Matsumoto Earl McCready Leroy McGuirk Danny McShane Rey Mendoza Mitsuharu Misawa Bronko Nagurski Pat O'Connor Kintaro Oki Atsushi Onita Pat Patterson John Pesek Roddy Piper Harley Race Dusty Rhodes Rikidozan Yvon Robert Antonino Rocca Road Warriors Billy Robinson Buddy Rogers Bruno Sammartino El Santo Jackie Sato Randy Savage The Sheik Dara Singh El Solitario Rick Steamboat Joe Stecher Ray Steele Ray Stevens Nobuhiko Takada Genichiro Tenryu Lou Thesz Jumbo Tsuruta Mad Dog Vachon Vader Johnny Valentine Fritz Von Erich Whipper Billy Watson Bill Watts Jaguar Yokota Stanislaus Zbyszko Jim Barnett Wild Red Berry Paul Boesch Jim Cornette Dory Funk Sr. Eddie Graham Stu Hart Bobby Heenan Fred Kohler Dick Lane Salvador Lutteroth Vince McMahon Jr. Vince McMahon Sr. Joe "Toots" Mondt Sam Muchnick Antonio Pena Lance Russell Billy Sandow Hisashi Shinma Gordon Solie Tony Stecher Frank Tunney Edouard Carpentier Toshiaki Kawada Jimmy Lennon William Muldoon Chigusa Nagayo El Hijo Del Santo Dos Caras Lioness Asuka Jushin Liger Keiji Mutoh Jim Ross Steve Austin Mick Foley Shinya Hashimoto Bill Longson Akira Hokuto Frank Sexton Sandor Szabo Black Shadow Lizmark Bull Nakano El Satanico Diablo Velasco Farmer Burns Jack Curley Kenta Kobashi Wahoo McDaniel Manami Toyota Shawn Michaels Chris Benoit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 How strange that Angle gets in before Eddie. Hell, I find it strange that Triple H didn't get in. Question: Will Jericho get it in his first year? Jericho is not a strong candidate, unless he ends up winning the world title and creating an Austin-like boom in the next 12 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Oh, so it's based on everything from drawing skills to wrestling skills? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Yeah, supposedly, you're looking at the whole, not the sum of the parts. Someone like Andre the Giant who wasn't a great worker was a great draw, so he gets in. Benoit hasn't been a great draw, but has been a top-five worker for over 10 years, so he gets in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Odd- I didn't notice The Rock's name on there. Thanks for posting that Loss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Odd- I didn't notice The Rock's name on there. Thanks for posting that Loss The Rock isn't of age to be nominated yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 As far as people getting voted in because Meltzer loves them, there are a lot of people on that list that Meltzer HATES, such as Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Undertaker and to a lesser extent Vince Jr. And Dave HATES Backlund with a passion, probably more than any other wrestler (with the possible exception of Hogan) There is no way Dave would want Backlund in the Hall, but he got in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Odd- I didn't notice The Rock's name on there. Thanks for posting that Loss The Rock isn't of age to be nominated yet. And he doesn't have the option of 15 years experience. Anyway, he was 27 in 1998 I think, so by 2006 he should be a nominee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted August 18, 2004 As far as people getting voted in because Meltzer loves them, there are a lot of people on that list that Meltzer HATES, such as Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Undertaker and to a lesser extent Vince Jr. And Dave HATES Backlund with a passion, probably more than any other wrestler (with the possible exception of Hogan) There is no way Dave would want Backlund in the Hall, but he got in. With that aside, people wouldn't take Meltzer seriously at all if those names weren't in. Not that they do in the first place.....but there are people that would affect. Thus the reason why he wouldn't do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 To be fair, Meltzer is not the only person who votes, but his words are largely influential. Angle wouldn't have gotten in without his pimping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Lex Lugar was not anywhere near the draw of Angle. Like Angle, he was never really the main focus of a promotion, but Angle was a top/near the top guy in some of the most profitable years in histroy (2000-today) I don't think he's a HOF'er yet, but please, comparing him to Lugar is the joke. -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 As far as people getting voted in because Meltzer loves them, there are a lot of people on that list that Meltzer HATES, such as Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Undertaker and to a lesser extent Vince Jr. And Dave HATES Backlund with a passion, probably more than any other wrestler (with the possible exception of Hogan) There is no way Dave would want Backlund in the Hall, but he got in. With that aside, people wouldn't take Meltzer seriously at all if those names weren't in. Not that they do in the first place.....but there are people that would affect. Thus the reason why he wouldn't do it. Kido, true, but I almost thought that Dave was trying to run a campaign to keep Backlund OUT. Meltzer has personally attacked Bob, basically calling him an illiterate bumpkin. IMO, he has tried to humiliate Backlund, by constantly mentioning that Bob couldn't read or write unil he was over 40 yrs. old. I don't know what Backlund did to Dave, but Meltzer seems to have something personal against him. It's one thing to call a guy an overrated worker, but to basically call him a moron over and over again, for years on end, is a bit far. If the voters only voted the way Dave wanted, Backlund would have never got in. So maybe they voted Angle in because they thought he was great for a short period of time, like Sandy Koufax in baseball Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted August 18, 2004 Lex Lugar was not anywhere near the draw of Angle. Like Angle, he was never really the main focus of a promotion, but Angle was a top/near the top guy in some of the most profitable years in histroy (2000-today) I don't think he's a HOF'er yet, but please, comparing him to Lugar is the joke. -Paul Jacobi- Luger was in main events on and off for over 10 years. Angle hasn't even been in the business that long. Neither deserves entry, or even consideration, as I said, but Angle is no stronger a candidate as a draw or in terms of influence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted August 18, 2004 As far as people getting voted in because Meltzer loves them, there are a lot of people on that list that Meltzer HATES, such as Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Undertaker and to a lesser extent Vince Jr. And Dave HATES Backlund with a passion, probably more than any other wrestler (with the possible exception of Hogan) There is no way Dave would want Backlund in the Hall, but he got in. With that aside, people wouldn't take Meltzer seriously at all if those names weren't in. Not that they do in the first place.....but there are people that would affect. Thus the reason why he wouldn't do it. Kido, true, but I almost thought that Dave was trying to run a campaign to keep Backlund OUT. Meltzer has personally attacked Bob, basically calling him an illiterate bumpkin. IMO, he has tried to humiliate Backlund, by constantly mentioning that Bob couldn't read or write unil he was over 40 yrs. old. I don't know what Backlund did to Dave, but Meltzer seems to have something personal against him. It's one thing to call a guy an overrated worker, but to basically call him a moron over and over again, for years on end, is a bit far. If the voters only voted the way Dave wanted, Backlund would have never got in. So maybe they voted Angle in because they thought he was great for a short period of time, like Sandy Koufax in baseball I agree with you. I wasn't speaking of Backlund and I have no clue what their beef is, but I am a person that doesn't think that Backlund was overrated and I think he should be in there. Basically what I am saying is that Dave's voice only goes so far.....after that though......he will have to give it up and put Backlund in anyway....which he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted August 18, 2004 In terms of influence, Angle and his success has lead to Lesnar, Benjamin and Haas getting looks and subsequently jobs. Right there, that's more than Luger. I'd also be willing to bet that from '00-04, Angle in his various main events with Austin, Rock, Triple H, 'Taker and Lesnar drew more money than Luger did in his entire career. I'm sure if I dig out some old Observers, the business comparisons for the last few years will bear this out. Keep in mind, I absolutely wouldn't have put Angle in yet, but to dismiss him so quickly and call him a joke and liken him to Lex Luger is going way too far. To me, he's a mid-level candidate that needs another 2-3 productive years to have made it. Obviously the voters disagreed. -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
