Republican Convention

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Rudy lost a whole shit of respect last night in my books. Using some man's death from 100 stories for political gain was not just exploitive, it was sickening. I don't care how honest or serious he was being about it, you're still abusing it for a rally.

 

I'm suprised MSG didn't sink and collapse under the weight of his crap.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Also, Ron Silver's speech rocked six ways from Sunday.

-=Mike

What happened to all the Republicans that thought actors and entertainers should shut up and be entertainers instead of political mouthpieces, unless they're going to run for office like Ronnie & Arnie?

 

 

I kept waiting for the wave of negative reacions from those people, but it never came.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

I was thoroughly bored with this night's speeches, but according to Arnold, I'm a Republican.

 

And probably a girly-man, but I didn't ask.

[Guest MikeSC]

Last night's stuff made me want to vomit, this hasn't been so bad.

Damn those evil Republicans for actually allowing people who disagree with the party SPEAK.

 

I suppose they could've gone the DNC way and simply made certain that nobody who didn't toe the line uttered a word. Those pro-life Democrats probably would get irksome.

 

This has been a terrific Convention thus far. Laura Bush is not a good speaker --- nor are their daughters --- but lord she was better than the debacle that was Theresa.

What happened to all the Republicans that thought actors and entertainers should shut up and be entertainers instead of political mouthpieces, unless they're going to run for office like Ronnie & Arnie?

 

 

I kept waiting for the wave of negative reacions from those people, but it never came.

If they spoke at DNC, they could knock themselves out. Nobody said they cannot speak --- just that they do not matter. Largely because they are so horribly informed and such shallow dunces that their speeches have the same level of coherence as a high school student body president's.

 

And, no offense, your liberal celebrities come across as the dumbest people on the planet.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Damn those evil Republicans for actually allowing people who disagree with the party SPEAK.

 

I suppose they could've gone the DNC way and simply made certain that nobody who didn't toe the line uttered a word. Those pro-life Democrats probably would get irksome.

Mike, when you're going to hold a campaign rah-rah, you have lines you should and shouldn't cross.

 

I sat through everyone talking about how Bush channels the best of Roosevelt, Lincoln, and Reagan all in one man. My heart warmed as I heard 9/11 survivors talk about the support they found, then soured when I realized the speech was being given in the context of a political event.

 

But when Rudy got up there and started that "Flaming men fell out of 100 story buildings so you could vote Bush" bullshit, I was completely disgusted and had to fight changing the channel. For someone who was viewed for months to put a nice moderate face on the proceedings, his speech had more rhetoric than any commercial this year, campaign or 527.

 

Nobody said they cannot speak --- just that they do not matter.

 

I wondered where that crowd went during Silver's speech.

[Guest MikeSC]

Damn those evil Republicans for actually allowing people who disagree with the party SPEAK.

 

I suppose they could've gone the DNC way and simply made certain that nobody who didn't toe the line uttered a word. Those pro-life Democrats probably would get irksome.

Mike, when you're going to hold a campaign rah-rah, you have lines you should and shouldn't cross.

 

I sat through everyone talking about how Bush channels the best of Roosevelt, Lincoln, and Reagan all in one man. My heart warmed as I heard 9/11 survivors talk about the support they found, then soured when I realized the speech was being given in the context of a political event.

 

But when Rudy got up there and started that "Flaming men fell out of 100 story buildings so you could vote Bush" bullshit, I was completely disgusted and had to fight changing the channel. For someone who was viewed for months to put a nice moderate face on the proceedings, his speech had more rhetoric than any commercial this year, campaign or 527.

In case you missed it, Rudy is the ONE person who has the right to "use" 9/11. HE was the one on the ground. HE was the one who held NYC together. It was Rudy.

 

And, methinks you are grossly exaggerating his comments as I do not remember Giuliani saying somebody fell 100 feet so you can vote for Bush. But, I could've missed it.

 

It just, you know, sounds like BS.

 

You don't like victims discussing 9/11 in a "political event"? Seriously, get over it. THEY have every right to say it WHEREVER they want to.

 

You didn't see ME bitching when Kerry dragged his sycophantic "Band of Brothers" into the campaign, did you?

 

You simply want Republicans to never actually PRAISE Republicanism. That's a personal problem.

Nobody said they cannot speak --- just that they do not matter.

I wondered where that crowd went during Silver's speech.

You, as usual, seem to not tell the difference between "Don't speak" and "We don't give two shits what you think".

-=Mike

[Vyce 0]

I sat through everyone talking about how Bush channels the best of Roosevelt, Lincoln, and Reagan all in one man.

 

Let's be honest - that's what REALLY made you want to "vomit" - NOT this pretext of Rudy bringing up 9/11.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

In case you missed it, Rudy is the ONE person who has the right to "use" 9/11. HE was the one on the ground. HE was the one who held NYC together. It was Rudy.

Mike, nobody has the "right" to turn around and exploit the worst terrorist attack in history and use people's deaths for a re-election effort. That is cold, heartless, and to take a word from your book, downright subhuman.

 

And, methinks you are grossly exaggerating his comments as I do not remember Giuliani saying somebody fell 100 feet so you can vote for Bush. But, I could've missed it.

 

It just, you know, sounds like BS.

 

For me, when I arrived there and I stood below the north tower and I looked up, and seeing the flames of hell emanating from those buildings, and realizing that what I was actually seeing was a human being on the 101st, 102nd floor, that was jumping out of the building, I stood there, it probably took five or six seconds, it seemed to me that it took 20 or 30 minutes, and I was stunned.

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bush. It's an appeal to emotion.

Spontaneously, I grabbed the arm of then Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik and said to Bernie, 'Thank God, George Bush is our President.'"

 

You don't like victims discussing 9/11 in a "political event"? Seriously, get over it. THEY have every right to say it WHEREVER they want to.

I have the right to burn an American flag in my front yard. It is not, however, appropriate.

 

You simply want Republicans to never actually PRAISE Republicanism. That's a personal problem.

I don't want anyone from ANY party to use someone's death as a political football. The fact that it's thousands of deaths only makes it more shocking.

 

You, as usual, seem to not tell the difference between "Don't speak" and "We don't give two shits what you think".

Where was either?

[Guest MikeSC]

In case you missed it, Rudy is the ONE person who has the right to "use" 9/11. HE was the one on the ground. HE was the one who held NYC together. It was Rudy.

Mike, nobody has the "right" to turn around and exploit the worst terrorist attack in history and use people's deaths for a re-election effort. That is cold, heartless, and to take a word from your book, downright subhuman.

 

 

Discussing what HE saw and what HE experienced is exceptionally fair.

And, methinks you are grossly exaggerating his comments as I do not remember Giuliani saying somebody fell 100 feet so you can vote for Bush. But, I could've missed it.

 

It just, you know, sounds like BS.

For me, when I arrived there and I stood below the north tower and I looked up, and seeing the flames of hell emanating from those buildings, and realizing that what I was actually seeing was a human being on the 101st, 102nd floor, that was jumping out of the building, I stood there, it probably took five or six seconds, it seemed to me that it took 20 or 30 minutes, and I was stunned.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bush. It's an appeal to emotion.

It has to do with the situation he faced.

 

And his comment to the commissioner is based on what happened for years under Clinton and a lack of ANY faith in them doing what needs to be done.

You don't like victims discussing 9/11 in a "political event"? Seriously, get over it. THEY have every right to say it WHEREVER they want to.

I have the right to burn an American flag in my front yard. It is not, however, appropriate.

Damn those survivors for mentioning it. Those unmitigated bastards.

You, as usual, seem to not tell the difference between "Don't speak" and "We don't give two shits what you think".

Where was either?

Feel free to say it. He sounded far more intelligent than the bilge from the likes of Margaret Cho or Mikey Moore.

-=Mike

[NoCalMike 0]

And, no offense, your liberal celebrities come across as the dumbest people on the planet.

-=Mike

Yes, because Stephen Baldwin and Dennis Miller certainly come off as intelligent......

[NoCalMike 0]

I was thoroughly bored with this night's speeches, but according to Arnold, I'm a Republican.

 

And probably a girly-man, but I didn't ask.

How could anyone not find the "if you want your government to be accountable to the people, you are a republican" line.......I mean since this has been one of the most unaccountable administrations in some time now. Arnold should have replaced "republican" with "moderate democrat" or "RHINO" after his one-liners.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Discussing what HE saw and what HE experienced is exceptionally fair.

We're just going to have to disagree here. I think that saying what happened to him is fine, but I think using it in a re-election effort is disgusting. Using imagery of people on fire in this situation is shameful.

 

Damn those survivors for mentioning it. Those unmitigated bastards.

They're talking out of an interest for vengeance. Not exactly a good political theme.

[NoCalMike 0]

Discussing what HE saw and what HE experienced is exceptionally fair.

We're just going to have to disagree here. I think that saying what happened to him is fine, but I think using it in a re-election effort is disgusting.

 

Not to mention the...."Thank god George W. Bush is our president" line was more fake then the wwe diva contest.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

How could anyone not find the "if you want your government to be accountable to the people, you are a republican" line.......I mean since this has been one of the most unaccountable administrations in some time now. Arnold should have replaced "republican" with "moderate democrat" or "RHINO" after his one-liners.

If you are the richest man on your block... You are a Republican!

[NoCalMike 0]

How could anyone not find the "if you want your government to be accountable to the people, you are a republican" line.......I mean since this has been one of the most unaccountable administrations in some time now.  Arnold should have replaced "republican" with "moderate democrat" or "RHINO" after his one-liners.

If you are the richest man on your block... You are a Republican!

Arnold should have included, "if you promised not to raise college tuition, but now it is in the budget to raise the rates by 50%" you are a Republican.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

I am a Republican!

[Justice 0]

I am a Republican!

Yeah, and I have a leg wound to show you...

 

*rimshot*

 

Note: I know the joke here, just wanted to get a little in-joke myself.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

It's obviously just a scar now.

[Justice 0]

It's obviously just a scar now.

Old wounds never heal, Tyler.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Nor do old grudges ever die.

 

One day I shall have my revenge. And I'm a Republican now, so I can be as vengeful and mean as I want with very little public outcry.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

I'm tired of people whining about "oh so and so is using 9/11 for political gain, how evil." If you ask me, 9/11 and terrorism are the ONLY issues where we the people are totally dependent on the government. Who we elect and who will best protect us from future 9/11's is VERY VERY VERY important.

[Justice 0]

...KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

And on-topic, if the Republicans are exploiting 9/11, then the Democrats are exploiting the War in Iraq, trying to desperately turn it into a Vietnam in the eyes of the public.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

My point about John Kerry being inconsistent is best described in his own words, not mine. I quote John Kerry, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

 

Maybe this explains John Edwards' need for two Americas.

 

One is where John Kerry can vote for something and another where he can vote against exactly the same thing.

 

Since of course that bill was the same the entire time and never changed.

 

But, why would the Republicans lie? They're trustworthy when it comes to John Kerry's record. Just like how I can trust the people of Coca-Cola to tell me the truth about Pepsi.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=155

 

Kerry: I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it

 

Kerry was referring to a measure he co-sponsored that would have provided the $87 billion while also temporarily reversing Bush's tax cuts for those making $400,000 a year or more. That measure was rejected  57-42.

 

John Kerry: So evil, he insists on a solution where we run up less of a deficit on Iraq spending. Can we trust him?

 

As for Rudy running for President. That'll depend on if he can get past a conservative candidate in the primaries. Such as in Iowa and South Carolina. The 2008 Republican primaries will be interesting. Or vicious. Either one. I want a primary that isn't all settled by March.

 

Also, when it comes to Ahnuld's speech. It's simplistic. Granted, I think I agreed with a lot of stuff on a "yes/no" thing for the GOP platform. You know why? because it's hard to say no to a lot of the fluff they put on a platform.

 

I sorta consider myself a Libertarian Democrat, or a Liberaltarian. Which is probably not fashionable

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And I'm a Republican now, so I can be as vengeful and mean as I want with very little public outcry.

This might actually be better than the "you are the Terminators" speech.

 

"You are all the Republicans! You will tell the career politicians 'no more" at the polls!"

 

Wow, it's even got a hint of subtle indoctrination.

[NoCalMike 0]

I'm tired of people whining about "oh so and so is using 9/11 for political gain, how evil."  If you ask me, 9/11 and terrorism are the ONLY issues where we the people are totally dependent on the government.  Who we elect and who will best protect us from future 9/11's is VERY VERY VERY important.

I agree, however walking through the rubble of Ground Zero, hardly answers any questions about who will protect us.

 

I mean if you were to take Guliani's speech literally, you'd think the war is over, when in fact Bush said himself the other day that it can't be won(yeah I know it was out of context) but the overall attitude on the "war on terrorism" is starting to change it seems, and it seems like the Republicans are looking to take(or just lying to make it appear so) a more rational approach to Iraq, which this entire time the democrats wanted and said they would have done if in the same situation. So in other words it is almost like conceding that they were wrong about a lot of stuff going in, yet at the same time fail to mention that 50%, THE OPPOSING 50%, were pretty much pleaing with him pre-war, about all this stuff, yet he didn't listen and started dropping bombs. Now that Bush has realized it wasn't like he thought, he is just expecting everyone to take it with a grain of salt, and join him in the new direction, when IMO, it shows to me Bush's plan for post war was a failure and thus we need someone NEW in command. Which to me, totally personifies what the Bush Presidency has represented for four years, NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

One thing I've noticed: After seeing and hearing a lot from both conventions, its obvious both parties are living in two different worlds. The Republicans would have us think Al-Qaida has 400 nukes aimed at every state in America. The Democrats would have us believe the Klu Klux Klan is still wreaking havoc across every state in America.

[NoCalMike 0]

One thing I've noticed: After seeing and hearing a lot from both conventions, its obvious both parties are living in two different worlds. The Republicans would have us think Al-Qaida has 400 nukes aimed at every state in America. The Democrats would have us believe the Klu Klux Klan is still wreaking havoc across every state in America.

I think you are mistaking the Democratic party with the NAACP. The Democratic party usually makes speeches like, "we have made a lot of progress, but we have still not achieved that goal" While the Republican view is more like, if you aren't a millionaire living out the american dream, it is due to laziness.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

Now that Bush has realized it wasn't like he thought, he is just expecting everyone to take it with a grain of salt, and join him in the new direction, when IMO, it shows to me Bush's plan for post war was a failure and thus we need someone NEW in command. Which to me, totally personifies what the Bush Presidency has represented for four years, NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

Sadly there is no alternative to vote for. Kerry seems to think that 4 months in Vietnam would make him best suited for tackling the evil side of Islam. I mean, if that isn't a non-sequitar I don't know what is.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And on-topic, if the Republicans are exploiting 9/11, then the Democrats are exploiting the War in Iraq, trying to desperately turn it into a Vietnam in the eyes of the public.

I would say that Michael Moore has exploited that in that fashion, but none of the pols on that side will reach that level until I hear something like "and as I watched that soldier fall to gunfire from Iraqi insurgents, I looked the reporter next to me in the eye and purely out of emotion told him, 'thank god I can vote for John Kerry.'"

 

It's not that 9/11 shouldn't exist, Slam correctly mentioned it's a big part of policy decisions right now. It's playing to people's emotions of 9/11, from people recalling dead family members to using imagery of burning bodies falling out of the sky, that is distasteful.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

One thing I've noticed:  After seeing and hearing a lot from both conventions, its obvious both parties are living in two different worlds.  The Republicans would have us think Al-Qaida has 400 nukes aimed at every state in America.  The Democrats would have us believe the Klu Klux Klan is still wreaking havoc across every state in America.

I think you are mistaking the Democratic party with the NAACP. The Democratic party usually makes speeches like, "we have made a lot of progress, but we have still not achieved that goal" While the Republican view is more like, if you aren't a millionaire living out the american dream, it is due to laziness.

I couldn't begin to tell you how many speeches I heard that focused on "we shall overcome," 1960's Civil Rights and Selma, Alabama. No mention of Al-Qaida of course. And here I was thinking it was the Conservatives who were stuck in the past.