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[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Just to get AS going again: they weren't going to just forefit the game.  When was the last time that happened?  Boo hoo, they couldn't get there in time.

So, in your world, teams can show up to games whenever they damn well please?

We've been over this. The Yankees were able to accomodate the Devil Rays, MLB has found nothing wrong at this point, so its a dead issue. Have an issue with Bud Selig? Ask your beloved Mr. Steinbrenner not to vote for him the next time his contract comes up for renewal. He did, so apparently George likes whatever job Bud seems to do.

[Guest Staravenger]

I gave up after the second page. Stop whining about the Yankees being jerked around by the Devil Rays, Bud Selig, Satan, Jesus Christ, Osama Bin Laden, the mayor of New Jersey, and Mickey the evil Midget.

 

The Yankees should be worried about winning consistantly now, not about crying over having to play a make up game at the end of season.

[the max 0]

That was a terribly officiated game between Boston and Oakland.

 

Manny didn't make that catch, it seemed obvious to me. I fail to see how he only "riled up the crowd more" by simply throwing a ball into the stands after they'd gotten the third out. Apparently the fan whipped it back at him. I fail to see how it was Manny's fault. It's the ump's fault.

 

Kotsay's play I could see coming once Mientkiewicz came to bat. Kotsay should have been thrown out for acting like a baby about it, but I can understand why he wasn't (The ump blew the call and wouldn't have been justified throwing out the guy that got pissed about it.)

 

I don't know what Byrnes problem was after Kapler made that excellent catch in right. That wasn't a doubt, as Kapler had control the entire time, yet Byrnes stood at second like a moron.

[Guest Anglesault]

Just to get AS going again: they weren't going to just forefit the game.  When was the last time that happened?  Boo hoo, they couldn't get there in time.

So, in your world, teams can show up to games whenever they damn well please?

We've been over this. The Yankees were able to accomodate the Devil Rays, MLB has found nothing wrong at this point, so its a dead issue.

Well, of MLB finds nothing wrong, what can I say? I mean if the bastion of truth and honesty in the world has suddenly and out of nowhere decided "You know what, we never did tell them to get the fuck out of dodge. Carry on."

 

And perhaps I'm the only one who thinks the Devil Rays are lying through their teeth. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the whole damn thing, considering, you know, THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT STORY.

 

But in the end it all means nothing, because forgetting the fact that the Commisioner happens to be good friends with Red Sox management, the Yankees are evil because they don't embrace this romantic Hollywood "Well, a storm the size of Texas is hitting the state, so rather than, you know, GET OUR FAMILIES THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY, let's all hunker down in it's path and die together."

 

Damn bastards they are. I mean really, did they honestly, seriously think that hiding in a corner with their families while Frances beared down on them was in any way, shape or form making anyone safer than leaving?

[Mik 0]

Good news for Bruiser and the rest of the Cubbies fans here. I read this morning at the Miami Herald that the Marlins are calling up Single A pitcher Logan Kensing to toss one of the games of Friday's double header. He has never thrown a single inning of competitive baseball above A and he is younger than quite a few of us at 21 years of age. He is 6-7 at single A, but he has a decent ERA of 2.96 and decent peripherals at 30 BB to 100 K.

 

Might be too much too soon. More good news for all the other wild card teams is that in the article, the Marlins seem unhappy and panicked about the break they just had. Hopefully something like this doesn't derail their season.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Don't worry, the Cubs usually seem to get owned by no-namers making their major league debuts.

[Guest Anglesault]

Good news for Bruiser and the rest of the Cubbies fans here. I read this morning at the Miami Herald that the Marlins are calling up Single A pitcher Logan Kensing to toss one of the games of Friday's double header. He has never thrown a single inning of competitive baseball above A and he is younger than quite a few of us at 21 years of age. He is 6-7 at Double A, but he has a decent ERA of 2.96 and decent peripherals at 30 BB to 100 K.

...Why?

[Mik 0]

They have 30 games in 27 days, including 3 double headers in a two week span, so they want to save their arms a bit.

[Guest Anglesault]

They have 30 games in 27 days, including 3 double headers in a two week span, so they want to save their arms a bit.

But...they're in a play off hunt. What the hell are they saving their arms for if not to use when they play the wild card leader?

[Mik 0]

The home stretch? I can see your point, but I can also see it the Marlins way. They play the Cubs with 27 games remaining, so save the arms a bit at the beginning so everyone will be fresh with 7-10 games/days left in the season. That's when it will probably be decided, so you want to have your team as healthy as possible.

 

Then again, they could blow it early and that wouldn't matter. I think it's a case of being optimistic instead of pessimistic.

[cabbageboy 0]

Knowing the Cubs, this A ball kid will likely have the game of his life. That said, surely either the Marlins or Astros will have to cool down at some point. It seems like both of these teams have just been playing the dregs of society lately...Astros have been maiming the Reds and Pirates, Marlins stomping the Mets.

 

Incidentally, what's the big issue between the Yankees and D Rays? The Yankees kinda come off as dicks in it I think. There was a huge ass hurricane, so just postpone the game till later, or play two. It's not like the D Rays just said "Fuck it, we don't want to get beat down" and refused to show.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'll actually paraphrase John Kruk: If the Yanks' pitching staff wasn't crap right now, would they even CARE about this?

Well, of MLB finds nothing wrong, what can I say? I mean if the bastion of truth and honesty in the world has suddenly and out of nowhere decided "You know what, we never did tell them to get the fuck out of dodge. Carry on."

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I love the Yanks threat to refuse to play a make-up game. Yeah, THAT will win their case.

And perhaps I'm the only one who thinks the Devil Rays are lying through their teeth.

No "perhaps" involved.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the whole damn thing, considering, you know, THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT STORY.

Such rage --- over what is, by all accounts, a team the Yanks should be able to dismantle at will.

 

Man, you are scared for the Yanks.

But in the end it all means nothing, because forgetting the fact that the Commisioner happens to be good friends with ALL management

Just to make it a little more accurate...

the Yankees are evil because they don't embrace this romantic Hollywood "Well, a storm the size of Texas is hitting the state, so rather than, you know, GET OUR FAMILIES THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY, let's all hunker down in it's path and die together."

Simple question --- let's say MLB didn't cancel games after 9/11 and the Yanks couldn't make it to, say, Oakland for a series.

 

Would you want MLB to make them forfeit the game?

Damn bastards they are. I mean really, did they honestly, seriously think that hiding in a corner with their families while Frances beared down on them was in any way, shape or form making anyone safer than leaving?

Yes, those heartless bastards had the unmitigated gall to put family ahead of pro baseball.

 

Fucking assholes.

-=Mike

...Gettin' late in the season --- time for another AS meltdown...

[Guest Anglesault]

I love the Yanks threat to refuse to play a make-up game. Yeah, THAT will win their case.

 

Their not going to win the case anyway. Refusing to play a bogus make up game has no bearing on that.

 

No "perhaps" involved.

 

Then why can't any two people within the organization tell the same story?

 

Simple question --- let's say MLB didn't cancel games after 9/11 and the Yanks couldn't make it to, say, Oakland for a series.

 

Would you want MLB to make them forfeit the game?

 

Really, at that time, baseball wasn't all that important to me.

 

Yes, those heartless bastards had the unmitigated gall to put family ahead of pro baseball.

 

Fucking assholes.

 

How the hell is keeping the family in the path of a Hurricane putting them ahead of anything? They didn't do anything to make those people safer.

[Guest MikeSC]

Simple question --- let's say MLB didn't cancel games after 9/11 and the Yanks couldn't make it to, say, Oakland for a series.

 

Would you want MLB to make them forfeit the game?

Really, at that time, baseball wasn't all that important to me.

Good. You know how the D-Rays felt.

How the hell is keeping the family in the path of a Hurricane putting them ahead of anything? They didn't do anything to make those people safer.

Because finding hotels with no advance notice for tons of people in NYC is NEVER a problem. Easiest thing in the world to pull off.

 

What do you PROPOSE they do? Send their families off to another state, leave them alone with their kids while they go to NY for a meaningless series?

 

Yeah, good idea.

 

"Screw being with your family during a trying time --- PEOPLE IN NYC WANT TO SEE FUCKING BASEBALL!!!"

-=Mike

[Guest Anglesault]

Simple question --- let's say MLB didn't cancel games after 9/11 and the Yanks couldn't make it to, say, Oakland for a series.

 

Would you want MLB to make them forfeit the game?

Really, at that time, baseball wasn't all that important to me.

Good. You know how the D-Rays felt.

Right. And the choice they made should have the consequences of a forfeit. If baseball isn't all that important, what's the problem there?

 

What do you PROPOSE they do?

 

Get them the hell away from the hurricane by any means necessary? What does huddling together in the house do to protect them exactly?

[Guest MikeSC]

Simple question --- let's say MLB didn't cancel games after 9/11 and the Yanks couldn't make it to, say, Oakland for a series.

 

Would you want MLB to make them forfeit the game?

Really, at that time, baseball wasn't all that important to me.

Good. You know how the D-Rays felt.

Right. And the choice they made should have the consequences of a forfeit. If baseball isn't all that important, what's the problem there?

Because, as with the Yanks and Mets --- catastrophes trump meaningless baseball games.

 

And the Yanks are, quite simply, whiny little bitches.

What do you PROPOSE they do?

 

Get them the hell away from the hurricane by any means necessary? What does huddling together in the house do to protect them exactly?

Do you have any clue how hard it was to find anywhere to stay down here? Hell, do you realize how hard it was to even find GAS around here (I'm way "up north" in SC)?

 

We only had a SHITLOAD of Floridians up here. A couple of hundred more would hardly have been easier to deal with.

-=Mike

[Guest Anglesault]

Because, as with the Yanks and Mets --- catastrophes trump meaningless baseball games.

But if the game is meaningless, who gets hurt by the forfeit?

 

Do you have any clue how hard it was to find anywhere to stay down here?

 

If the storm frightened them *that much* that they decided to blow off the game and yes, risk a forfeit, they should have done whatever it took to get those family members out of harms way.

[Guest MikeSC]

Keep in mind, AS, you're wigging out over a series with the DEVIL RAYS.

-=Mike

[Guest Anglesault]

Keep in mind, AS, you're wigging out over a series with the DEVIL RAYS.

-=Mike

and...?

[The Man in Blak 0]

But if the game is meaningless, who gets hurt by the forfeit?

The Red Sox.

 

I think he meant "meaningless" in comparison to a natural disaster that actually, you know, kills people...but don't let that pesky common sense stand in your way.

[cabbageboy 0]

The bizarre thing AS keeps bringing up is the D Rays having everyone tell a different story here. With the hurricane and everyone running about they likely just don't know what the hell they're doing. It's not some grand conspiracy, or that the D Rays were terrified of the mighty Yankees.

 

In the end, the Yankees just come off as cocks here, and also terrified of Boston in their rearview mirror...so they want a win any way they can get it.

[Guest Anglesault]

But if the game is meaningless, who gets hurt by the forfeit?

The Red Sox.

 

I think he meant "meaningless" in comparison to a natural disaster that actually, you know, kills people

Yes, I know.

 

You still haven't explained why there is such a commotion over forfeiting a game that was blown off for something more important.

 

The bizarre thing AS keeps bringing up is the D Rays having everyone tell a different story here. With the hurricane and everyone running about they likely just don't know what the hell they're doing.

 

It's not like they're getting little details wrong. The owner and GM have contradicted each other repeatedly on several key points (the call from the commisioners office, availability of an airplane, whether or not they ever intended on trying to leave).

 

It's also worth noting that last year, Selig forced the Yankees to play in a city that was being hit with a hurricane under the threat of forfeiture.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

While everyone enjoys a good flame war, this has gone far enough. If you wish to discuss this subject further, start a new thread, or better yet, take it to Hardcore Discussion. Let's try and get this thread back to game discussions.

[Fökai 0]

The owner and GM have contradicted each other repeatedly on several key points (the call from the commisioners office, availability of an airplane, whether or not they ever intended on trying to leave).

 

I don't remember the GM or owner releasing any statements to the media.

 

From what I can put together, the MLB office gave the Yankees this information that the Rays would make the game on Friday. When they didn't, the Yankees sought the forfeit for the two games. The MLB hadn't gotten in touch with the Devil Rays after that fact.

 

Levine (Yankees president) said the commissioner's office had been told by the Devil Rays that Tampa Bay would head to New York late Friday or Saturday. Levine called for an investigation by baseball, and said that if the facts as the Yankees understood them were true, the game should be forfeited. Alternatively, Levine said the game should be rescheduled for Oct. 4 -- the day after the regular season is scheduled to end -- if it's necessary to decide a postseason race.

A forfeit didn't appear to be likely.

 

"Given the stage of the season we are in, and the exciting pennant races, it is critical that we do everything to decide the championship on the field," commissioner Bud Selig said in a statement.

Devil Rays spokesman Rick Vaughn said the Devil Rays had never intended to leave before Monday.

 

"The only thing that entered our mind was being with our families during the hurricane," he said.

[Mik 0]

Devil Rays spokesman Rick Vaughn said the Devil Rays had never intended to leave before Monday.

 

"The only thing that entered our mind was being with our families during the hurricane," he said.

He then added, "I never had to deal with anything like this when I was in the California Penal League."

[Guest MikeSC]

Devil Rays spokesman Rick Vaughn said the Devil Rays had never intended to leave before Monday.

 

"The only thing that entered our mind was being with our families during the hurricane," he said.

He then added, "I never had to deal with anything like this when I was in the California Penal League."

I bet he lost the paperwork because he was too ashamed to be seen in lame glasses.

-=Mike

[Mik 0]

Either that or Dorn's wife was on the prowl again.

[the max 0]

I was about to comment on that...damn you Mik.

 

 

 

 

To get this thread in the right direction, it's Lowe v. Redman tonight in Oakland. Lowe's been pitching well as of late and the Red Sox escaped with a win last night with their #5 starter on the mound. Tonight's game will be good, but nothing compared to tomorrow night's game with a pitching matchup of Pedro v. Hudson.

 

Hopefully, A's fans will conduct themselves like civilized people tonight.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Clement just left the game hurt. This is the second straight game this has happened, so I guess we can toss Matt in the pile with Mark Prior of Cubs starters that aren't injury-free.

[sfaJack 0]

Maybe that explains why Clement has been decidedly mediocre for the past 5 weeks.

 

Cubs need a win tonight because the Astros are continuing to pound the ball, 5-2, in the 4th over Cincy with Oswalt on the mound tonight and Clemens tomorrow.