UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2004 Did anyone see this special he had on CBS a few days ago? It was a thing where there's these parents on there, and there son is like this really bad, out of control kid. You probably all saw the commercials for it, it's the one where Dr. Phil goes.. "there's 14 characteristics of a serial killer.. and your son has 9 of them". Now this is a young kid, I mean I don't even think he's older than 10. So basically they have him on there, face not blurred or anything, basically making him out to look like someone who's going to grow up to be a terrible human being and a murderer. All while Phil gives the family "therapy". Now throughout my life I've been a paranoid motherfucker with some odd tendencies and have been in psychotherapy in the past(not for wanting to be a serial killer or anything, nothing that extreme), but one thing I know is that you can't give therepy in front of other people, and you can't do it on a fucking TV show. So now that this is out there, I mean, this kid is basically going to be picked on for the rest of his life. Beaten up, humiliated, harassed, called names, shit like that, and it was all to boost Dr. Phil's ratings. I don't get how he gets away with this, every day on his TV show he basically puts people's personal lives on blast on TV to pick them apart and tear them down. Of course in most cases it's the adults choice to go on there, but this time it's just total bullshit, and I can't stand that he gets away with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boner Kawanger 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2004 "You're like a shoe without laces; you just can't keep it together!" Dr. Phil's insane advice rules. I saw the commercial (with the serial killer line mentioned) and couldn't help but wonder WHY this was a prime time special. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted September 24, 2004 That kid smeared his own shit on his walls. He deserves to be verbally abused, just like that 10 year old who talks about Huggies disposable underpants. "I don't wet the sheets anymore. Now my friends will never know." Dude, they must have watched the commercial enough times to recite it by heart. Now everybody knows your urine-soaked secret. You're never getting laid, champ. I SPARE NO WRATH FOR SMALL CHILDREN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BrokenWings Report post Posted September 24, 2004 That kid smeared his own shit on his walls. He deserves to be verbally abused, just like that 10 year old who talks about Huggies disposable underpants. "I don't wet the sheets anymore. Now my friends will never know." Dude, they must have watched the commercial enough times to recite it by heart. Now everybody knows your urine-soaked secret. You're never getting laid, champ. I SPARE NO WRATH FOR SMALL CHILDREN I've never gotten Dr. Phil. He just seems like a total asshole, as well as a quack. I suppose I just don't agree with his methods, but whatever floats your boat I suppose. So now that this is out there, I mean, this kid is basically going to be picked on for the rest of his life. Beaten up, humiliated, harassed, called names, shit like that, and it was all to boost Dr. Phil's ratings. And the sad thing is, because of this, there's a chance he actually will grow up to be a murderer. And then they'll all sing Phil's praises, and how he was right all along, when really, he'll have played a huge role in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 There are 2 major factures that make people who they are, its 1)the enviroment 2)the family, friends, people that socialize with. The big arguement is which side is more important. Is it the poor white trash family values or is it the trailor park that will make this kid a killer. Also there is the whole self full filling prophacy BS where if you are told that you are going shit, eventually you will believe it and it will become true. I doubt that Sally Jesse Raphael or Jenny Jones or Montel actually help make a teenage whore become "normal" by simply giving them a make over on tv. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Thing is, if he's right, what good does NOT saying it do? Wouldn't you rather the parents be warned in advance of impending problems rather than hearing the usual "But he was such a nice boy" when he snaps and kills somebody? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Thing is, if he's right, what good does NOT saying it do? Well, they could make the big reveal more interesting. Like a game. Dr Phil: "Ask them." Parent: "*sigh*..ladies, does my son have four characteristics right?" *horn honks* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Its beautiful how Dr. Phil exploits his guests, embellishes, overanalyzes their every move, and reamns them out for anything. He's nuts. I'd say his wife's domination over his life and career is more unhealthy than 75% of the guests on his show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Its beautiful how Dr. Phil exploits his guests, embellishes, overanalyzes their every move, and reamns them out for anything. He's nuts. I'd say his wife's domination over his life and career is more unhealthy than 75% of the guests on his show. I thought he got a divorce recently. -=Mike ...Who actually cares far less about Dr. Phil than it probably looks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted September 25, 2004 I would blame the mother more than Dr. Phil. She knew this is a nationally aired show. She knows the whole nation would see here precious little baby. She knows that he would get picked on and called a psycho for years to come. Dr. Phil cannot possibly be the best family therapist in the world....so i'm sure she had her choices. Unless of course money is a factor. Assuming its free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Its beautiful how Dr. Phil exploits his guests, embellishes, overanalyzes their every move, and reamns them out for anything. He's nuts. I'd say his wife's domination over his life and career is more unhealthy than 75% of the guests on his show. I thought he got a divorce recently. -=Mike ...Who actually cares far less about Dr. Phil than it probably looks... I doubt it. His bitch wife sits in the front row of his audience like a useless whore. She just sits, glares, and shakes her head disapprovingly when necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Its beautiful how Dr. Phil exploits his guests, embellishes, overanalyzes their every move, and reamns them out for anything. He's nuts. I'd say his wife's domination over his life and career is more unhealthy than 75% of the guests on his show. I thought he got a divorce recently. -=Mike ...Who actually cares far less about Dr. Phil than it probably looks... I doubt it. His bitch wife sits in the front row of his audience like a useless whore. She just sits, glares, and shakes her head disapprovingly when necessary. Is she hot? You'd like to think a man with some money now could at least get a choice trophy wife. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Its beautiful how Dr. Phil exploits his guests, embellishes, overanalyzes their every move, and reamns them out for anything. He's nuts. I'd say his wife's domination over his life and career is more unhealthy than 75% of the guests on his show. I thought he got a divorce recently. -=Mike ...Who actually cares far less about Dr. Phil than it probably looks... I doubt it. His bitch wife sits in the front row of his audience like a useless whore. She just sits, glares, and shakes her head disapprovingly when necessary. Is she hot? You'd like to think a man with some money now could at least get a choice trophy wife. -=Mike I'd fuck some sin into ehr. No, she's just an old lady with make up people to make her look purty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted September 25, 2004 So, maybe Dr. Phil is nuts. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boner Kawanger 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Dr Phil: "Ask them." Parent: "*sigh*..ladies, does my son have four characteristics right?" *horn honks* Marry me, please. So what's more exploitive: Dr. Phil with his murderers-to-be or Maury Povich with his whorish single mothers testing seven men to try and find the father? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 I've still never seen anything about this show that leads me to believe that it's anything but daytime soap opera fakery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Well it can't be any worse than that Jenny Jones guest that got murdered over this kind of talk show crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted September 25, 2004 People who go on talk shows to work out their problems already have one thing going against them: they go on talk shows to work out their problems. Dr. Phil is no better than Jery Springer, and I bet in a few years he may be just like him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 I don't even remember where it came from, but all I think about Dr. Phil is him saying "You get down on your knees on a urine soaked bathroom floor and put their penis in your mouth!" followed by an audience cheering. I need to find a clip of that and I'll sample it into a rap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 "Men are dumb, women are smart!" I think of that line from Chapelle's Show every time I hear Dr. Phil mentioned. I saw one episode, where some ex-military father was driving his 15 and 17 year old daughter's nuts by being overly strict, and Phil chewed him out for it, saying the kids were afraid of him. I'm like "well...he's ex-military...admits he was brought up in a 'traditional' family environment where the father made the rules...and his kids are brats...yeah, I can see him being strict about telling them they can't go out with their friends at 1:30 in the morning." Fuck Dr. Phil. If you need to find somebody to tell you how to help yourself, you're fucking hopeless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted September 25, 2004 Thing is, if he's right, what good does NOT saying it do? Wouldn't you rather the parents be warned in advance of impending problems rather than hearing the usual "But he was such a nice boy" when he snaps and kills somebody? -=Mike I'm not saying it's wrong to tell them that, I'm saying it's wrong to do it on national TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 http://slate.msn.com/id/2107226/?GT1=5100 Family Values Dr. Phil's opportunistic parental-advice franchise. By Ann Hulbert Posted Monday, Sept. 27, 2004, at 3:55 PM PT "Let me tell you something, Mom," Dr. Phil lectured an "out-of-control" mother on a two-hour CBS special last week, taking his daytime doctor act to prime time. "You need to stop, and stop it right now." He was right; she was a family menace. But at least she knew it. You can't say the same about Dr. Phil in his new incarnation as the nation's "commando parenting" expert. There's a term for a guy who publicly humiliates not just parents, but kids, bombarding viewers with a high-decibel spectacle of real-life family dysfunction—all in the service of flacking a new book, Family First, that promises domestic joy and peace. It's a term Dr. Phil uses a lot: abusive. Inside last year's antiobesity crusader—Dr. Phil's Ultimate Weight Solution soared to the top of the best-seller lists—it turns out there was a "reparenting" missionary dying to get out and indulge in some super-nannying. Entering his third solo TV season, Oprah's former sidekick was ready with a back-to-school bonanza: the CBS special heralding his new focus on the family (move over, Dr. Dobson). What more opportune moment than the launch of a book to burnish his child-rearing credentials and give viewers a mega-dose of the parenting turmoil he's now made the theme of his daily show? "Please help, Dr. Phil," is the regular plea of his frazzled guests. But when it comes to families, the truth is that Dr. Phil is an interloper who adds to the trouble. Parenting success requires that you be consistent, according to the doctor—which is just what his book and his show aren't. Family First is supremely cool-headed. The guiding assumption of Dr. Phil's "step-by-step plan" to help parents become "system managers" at home is that families are just that: systems, in which everybody—from hubby on down to baby—has a role to play. In place of Spockian empathy, we have corporate efficiency for the dual-income family whirlwind. The manual features seven parenting "tools," checklists to fill out, "audits" to conduct—and even a downloadable "behavioral contract" so parent and kid can spell out a disciplinary deal, in the hope that neither will get angry or whiny when a party fails to comply. "Accountability" along with "consistency" are the watchwords of the behaviorist approach. The Family First ad campaign touts the originality of the doctor's strategies, but don't be fooled. The book is yet another version of the managerial parenting approach that was born 40 years ago in Carl Rogers' communication techniques and has since blossomed into business guru Stephen Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective Families (1997) and countless knockoffs. All paperwork and plans and no anecdotes, Family First is pallid (except for the revelation of Dr. Phil's new trauma credential: His father, heretofore hailed as his hero, was an alcoholic). Between covers, Dr. Phil loses not just his Texan twang, but his tang. Love comes to life. The premise (or the pretense) of Dr. Phil's show is that he's dealing with families in search of peace—families, he asserted at the start of the CBS special, that "may be a lot like yours." But then his cameras zoomed in for a tour of households from hell. One featured a rampaging mother whose husband struck back at her by not speaking to their son for a year. Another family was terrorized by a kid who displayed "nine of the 14 characteristics of a serial killer." Too many toys and too much television in your house? For his lurid prime-time show, Dr. Phil found a girl so showered with stuff by her mother that every room overflowed and a boy whose mother let him sit in front of the television nine hours a day. As the camera cross-cut from grainy footage of their household disarray (piles of plush animals, bleeped-out cursing) to the parents now perched on his studio stage, in chairs so high their feet swung like children's, Dr. Phil presided as he does on his daytime shows, as the confrontational domestic redesigner. Have a toddler who won't go to sleep? Just cut a bedroom door in half (and lock the bottom), he instructed the stunned parents of one difficult tyke; strip a destructive kid's room, he told another couple. Dr. Phil enjoys their bug-eyed response to his no-nonsense tactics and especially likes to make the men squirm at his sway with their wives. At one point, he smugly lorded it over a screwed-up dad who admitted he hadn't wanted to get involved with Dr. Phil: "Yeah, you and every husband in America." But in parading troubled families across his stage, Dr. Phil sabotages his own parenting principles. In a prefatory "letter to parents" in Family First, Dr. Phil proclaims himself on a mission to empower America's "disconnected" families. He wants, he says, to help parents counteract the pernicious influences—not least "a massive and slick media"—that are corroding their sense of control in a frenetic world. But his show, by its very format, vamps up alarm about America's families. It makes parents look like chumps and turns children into hapless victims, compounding precisely the ills it aims to cure. By sandwiching pathology in between potty tips (Dr. Phil touts a one-day miracle) and practical advice about picky eaters, etc.—and spicing the mix with the refrain that "you may be scarring your children every day without knowing it"—Dr. Phil's show suggests that every household in a run-of-the-mill mess could slip into chaos at a moment's notice. It's a disconcerting message, however you take it. Balk at the notion, and you feel smugly superior to your fellow Americans. Buy into it, and you're left panicked that the country is coming apart at the seams. Waver somewhere between the two poles, as I bet most viewers do, and you'll begin to wonder, thanks to a nudge from Dr. Phil, whether you too could "be raising a criminal." And Dr. Phil's style of setting his hapless participants straight hardly inspires confidence. By now we're all used to watching adult volunteers getting prodded, scolded, and shamed in public (on Dr. Phil's upcoming docket are both presidential candidates). But the participants on Dr. Phil's shows aren't just another crop of reality show contestants, psyched for the exhibitionistic thrill of going through contortions in front of a huge audience and then getting their comeuppance (or the jackpot). You'd think Dr. Phil might ask himself whether addressing parents as if they were impulsive 2-year-olds is a good way to convey his message that regaining parental authority entails maturity. The spectacle of adults being bullied and breaking down doesn't seem particularly edifying for kids—especially if what they need most, as Dr. Phil suggests, is to be able to respect, and rely on, parental guidance. But that's nothing compared to dragging children themselves into the spotlight, which Dr. Phil's "systems" approach requires. Like the judges on American Juniors, he does go easier on the kids, whom he generally sees as having been dealt a raw deal in a disorderly, divorce-prone world. Still, Dr. Phil gets them spilling their guts on video and in his studio—and whatever you think of the growing trend of underage reality TV stars, public child therapy is another story. It's bad enough that the 8-year-old boy on the HBO show Family Bonds got filmed crying as he learned to ride a bike. But Dr. Phil goes considerably further. On the CBS special, a 13-year-old was cornered by the camera as he tearfully confessed that he was sure his dad, who had refused to talk to him for a year, thought he was worthless. And the decision to film the subsequent father-son rapprochement as the two communed beside a stream seems indefensible. Eyes darting uneasily toward the unseen film crew, they looked as though they would have liked to crawl under the rocks they were sitting on. Just listen to Dr. Phil himself, who has preached about "our duty ... to make sure we are counteracting rather than contributing to the craziness" that undermines the haven of the family in a media-saturated age. In Family First, he is blunt about the deference that children deserve: "Keep your problem-solving communications and exchanges private. Don't ever take your child to task in the presence of peers, relatives or siblings, unless they're directly involved in the situation." The crowning Tool No. 7 in Dr. Phil's parenting kit, he might recall, is "walk the talk." Ann Hulbert is the author of Raising America: Experts, Parents, and a Century of Advice About Children. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted September 30, 2004 See I agree with you that Dr. Phil IS a total asshole and shouldn't be doing the things that he is doing on air. But these fucktards go on the show.....so I don't feel sorry for them. AT ALL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 See I agree with you that Dr. Phil IS a total asshole and shouldn't be doing the things that he is doing on air. But these fucktards go on the show.....so I don't feel sorry for them. AT ALL. So the ten year old kid decides to go on national TV and get embarrassed for something that he's completely unaware of? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SinToxic 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2004 I'm looking forward to the "where are they now" Dr. Phil's special two years later where he sucks his own dick off for being right on the money with this kid and I won't be too surprised if he coins the idea for a pre-crime division with himself (of course) being the executive precog. "I can see things about your rotten children, that even your rotten children can't see themselves" ...and watch the incest rate drop like a mother fucker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Props to the Dr. Dobson name drop. He's awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Scud Report post Posted October 1, 2004 I feel bad for the people who go on his show even though they were dumb enough to do it. He goes out there and embarasses them and I'm sure all of them regret even doing it. On the other hand, if I was really desparate for advice or therapy (or whatever what he does is called) I wouldn't go to a lawyer, I'd go to a qualified therapist or psychologist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 1, 2004 See I agree with you that Dr. Phil IS a total asshole and shouldn't be doing the things that he is doing on air. But these fucktards go on the show.....so I don't feel sorry for them. AT ALL. So the ten year old kid decides to go on national TV and get embarrassed for something that he's completely unaware of? I didn't say that. You have to sign releases to get on TV, and I'm sure their parents did that.....not Dr. Phil himself. Don't get me wrong I think the guy is a total fuckwad.......but people WANT to be on the show, so blame the parents or the people themselves.....not Dr. Dipshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites