Lively Discussion 9-27-04

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Greetings WWE Folder-ites, it's time for a little Lively Discussion!

 

Tonights Topic: Pick one brand (and only one brand) and choose one thing you would like to change about it that you believe would make it better. If you want to do both brands that is fine, but the one change for each must be different. Remember, the WWE *really* wants us to see the shows as two seperate entities, so we have to start seeing them as such.

 

Remember, when you answer try not to just simply throw out a one-liner. This is DISCUSSION. If you want to debate another post, do so. If you want to add to another post with your own ideas, do that too. Take the criticism and use it to your advantage.

 

Stay with the topic, and it can be anything you wish to change having to do with the general runnings of the show all the way to the roster and how they are shown on TV.

 

Hopefully this will catch on a bit, and I'll be back with my ideas later (or sooner depending on what kind of responses I get).

[JoeDirt 0]

Cool topic, and I have several ideas. My first is a suggestion I've made several times on this board: WWE should make Sunday Night Heat an actual DECENT SHOW again. I'd say the same for Velocity, but it's on at 11PM on a Saturday...not a great timeslot. But Heat is at 7:00 on a Sunday. It USED to be a show that got good ratings back in 1999 especially. Have at least one big match for the show as the main event, and advertise it on RAW. Don't have a clip show where you show entire clips; you can get across what happened in video packages or quicker clips. This would allow more time for matches and promos. Promos would allow guys who don't usually get a chance to talk on RAW a chance to hone their skills on Heat. Hype the show on RAW, and bring the viewers back.

 

What do you think?

[spman 0]

RAW needs a complete overhaul as far as set and format goes. The incoherent theme song is terrible, and is really stale. The stage and colors, and graphics have all gone unchanged or had at the very least had just very minor changes since 1997. It's as if we're still in the Attitude Era even though it's 2004.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

This type of random thread-making is the reason why the "Statement/Rebuttal" thread was created.

[Guest JMA]

Well, the one thing I'd change about RAW AND Smackdown! would be the roster size--they need to be MUCH bigger. The tag division has noticeably suffered from the small roster size. Oh, and they should get wrestlers who aren't green to fill up both brands. I don't want to see a guy debut one month, and then disappear the next.

[Australian Pride 0]

It's been said a hundred times before, but on SD they need to let the cruiserweights wrestle their own style, and give them enough time to really show what they got. The fact that London and Kidman are feuding is a good start, especially since the CW title isn't part of their picture, but I'll reserve judgement until we see if they get more than 5 minutes for their match. There should also be a CW title defense at No Mercy, but at this point I can't see any babyfaces who are ready for PPV, and not already wrestling, with the exception of maybe Funaki and Shannon Moore. Neither of these guys have been built up in any way.

 

As an extension to that point, they need to really push the wrestling aspect in general on SD, and quit with the ridiculous storylines/comedy angles. Example - shaving Big Shows head is fine as it adds some heat to the proceedings, but shooting him with a tranquiliser dart is just retarded. They had a 3 on 1 advantage, are you telling me that between them they couldn't find a way to take him down??? Kurt snuck up behind him to shoot, why couldn't he have just clipped Show's knee from behind and then proceeded witha 3 man beatdown until he was ready to have his head shaved? Leave the out-there storylines for Raw.

[Guest Big Daddy V1]

My first and possibly biggest move would be to require massive trading. Allow such guys as The Hurricane, Tajiri, Matt Hardy and Shawn Micheals to SD and bring over Stamboli (put him with Palumbo), Jindrak and Charlie Haas, making SD the high flying, fast paced show while Raw can be more power move/pure wrestling show. This would also allow Nunzio to challenge for the Crusierweight title with Stamboli gone, reunite the WGTT, and add some much needed fresh feuds with HBK taking the jump to SD (either with the crusiers or in the mid/high card)

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Trading: No.

 

It is, at it's essence, supposed to be Smackdown against Raw. I love the idea, they played it up during the draft and a little with Booker T, but now it's a dead issue again.

 

That is exactly what I would change about how things are run. I want it to be a damn war. Sure, let the wrestlers all have their feuds, but keep Eric and Teddy's mind on beating the other guy. Have them make new rules and decisions that are "for the best interest of the brand" and not "for the best interest of So and So". It wouldn't be hard to do it, but apparently the Creative Team lacks the talent, skill, and finesse to pull such a storyline off. They couldn't do the Invasion properly, so I don't give them much hope for this, but damn it would be sweet to actually see a version of how the Invasion could have gone.

[Guest Big Daddy V1]

Oh ok, I misunderstood then, or maybe it wasn't implied that there were to be no trades. I'll probably have another idea later.....

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Smackdown needs to go more wrestling oriented while keeping RAW more SE oriented. There are two distinct audiences, and the idea is to get both to buy the joint PPVs like Summerslam. The reason I choose Smackdown to be the wrestling brand is because it is more important that the SE style be live than it is the wrestling show.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I was only saying "No" to trades because I personally don't like the idea. If you think it could help, that's your opinion, but it drives me bonkers.

 

It needs to be the old way... let a contract "run out" every few months or something, add that into a character's storyline or something. It could work well.

[Exslade ZX 0]

Cool topic, and I have several ideas. My first is a suggestion I've made several times on this board: WWE should make Sunday Night Heat an actual DECENT SHOW again. I'd say the same for Velocity, but it's on at 11PM on a Saturday...not a great timeslot. But Heat is at 7:00 on a Sunday. It USED to be a show that got good ratings back in 1999 especially. Have at least one big match for the show as the main event, and advertise it on RAW. Don't have a clip show where you show entire clips; you can get across what happened in video packages or quicker clips. This would allow more time for matches and promos. Promos would allow guys who don't usually get a chance to talk on RAW a chance to hone their skills on Heat. Hype the show on RAW, and bring the viewers back.

 

What do you think?

Personally, I think it's the same as it's always been really, people just now have a 'certain thing they want'...and evidently feel they're not gonna get it from Heat. Hell, they feel the same way about RAW as a lot only watch it to get a 'new set of jokes for next week'.

 

I tape wrestling...and on an older tape I have a Heat, and it's the one where the RTC angle begins to unfold as it's main evented by Stevie Richards vs Godfather...and Bull debuts for the first time in his RTC gear. Yea that was a 'storyline'...and something I think would be involved in what you call a 'decent show' but what else happened on the show? Clips from RAW. And like 2 matches....and hey, that's just like now. They put on bad matches and people complain about the crap matches and say it's just a clip show', and when they put on good matches (Such as putting Benoit on heat, even if it is Benoit) everyone sees it as a problem. IMO, Heat recently has been doing as good as it always has, a few good matches and a rundown of what happened on RAw. That's just about how it's always been.

 

I'd just agree on the fact that they need to advertise Heat again. I mean, if you're going to have Benoit on heat as least say 'This week, Beniot on heat' otherwise the desired change won't happen.

[The Tino Standard 0]

Cool topic, and I have several ideas. My first is a suggestion I've made several times on this board: WWE should make Sunday Night Heat an actual DECENT SHOW again. I'd say the same for Velocity, but it's on at 11PM on a Saturday...not a great timeslot. But Heat is at 7:00 on a Sunday. It USED to be a show that got good ratings back in 1999 especially. Have at least one big match for the show as the main event, and advertise it on RAW. Don't have a clip show where you show entire clips; you can get across what happened in video packages or quicker clips. This would allow more time for matches and promos. Promos would allow guys who don't usually get a chance to talk on RAW a chance to hone their skills on Heat. Hype the show on RAW, and bring the viewers back.

 

What do you think?

Wouldn't work now. How are you going to hype a match on Raw when Heat was taped in the same venue the hour before that Raw went on the air?

 

Starting something major on Raw and finishing it on Heat worked when Heat was live every other week. But with them going to tape now for Heat every week, that doesn't fly.

 

And no, Heat is not important enough to go live with it every week now. The cost of doing a live show is astronomical in comparison with tape.

[natey2k4 0]

Cool topic, and I have several ideas. My first is a suggestion I've made several times on this board: WWE should make Sunday Night Heat an actual DECENT SHOW again. I'd say the same for Velocity, but it's on at 11PM on a Saturday...not a great timeslot. But Heat is at 7:00 on a Sunday. It USED to be a show that got good ratings back in 1999 especially. Have at least one big match for the show as the main event, and advertise it on RAW. Don't have a clip show where you show entire clips; you can get across what happened in video packages or quicker clips. This would allow more time for matches and promos. Promos would allow guys who don't usually get a chance to talk on RAW a chance to hone their skills on Heat. Hype the show on RAW, and bring the viewers back.

 

 

Also everyone one this board will go apeshit if anyone who is above a Mid-Carder is on the show. Everyone wants heat and velocity to get more out there.. to be a better show, but if Benoit.. Jericho.. Christian.. RVD.. JBL.. Triple H.. Kurt Angle.. Eddie Guerrero EVER SHOWED UP on Velocity or Heat... people would make a big deal of it which I think it stupid. They should put a big match on it weekly that means something as the main event. Or even just a match with a big star against midcarder. Benoit vs Steven Richards or something, I would love to see. They could still use Benoit during a promo on RAW or something, but also improve their secondary show.

[BrokenTiger 0]

I was only saying "No" to trades because I personally don't like the idea. If you think it could help, that's your opinion, but it drives me bonkers.

 

It needs to be the old way... let a contract "run out" every few months or something, add that into a character's storyline or something. It could work well.

If there's any need whatsoever for trades, this should be the way to go about it. The only recent example (that I remember) on the 'contract runs out, both brand scramble for superstars' signature' angle was HHH in Vengeance 2002. Most of other trades seems...uneventful. Also, if there's too many trades going on...well, I can see why Rando would be driven crazy by that.