Bush posts plan for mandatory gov't service

[Guest Cerebus]

Whoops did I say Bush, I really meant John "Backdoor Draft" Kerry.

 

Oh no! It looks like the link is down! Could it be because it would hurt Kerry's chance to wallow in the condesending demagoguery of scaring young people from voting for the Draft Loving Bush? Nah.

 

Don't worry though, you can read the real deal here.

 

As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students and four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service.

 

MANDATORY SERVICE FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS

 

* Service Should Be a Graduation Requirement: John Kerry believes that knowledge of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship - including the duty to serve your community - are as important to American adults as knowing how to read and do math. Combined with a curriculum that teaches students about democracy, citizenship and civic participation, this high school service requirement will be a rite of passage for every young person in the country. As President, John Kerry will ensure that every high school student in America does community service as a requirement for graduation.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Too bad this "military service" will probably consist of being a crossing guard or something.

 

And while we're on this subject, am I the only one who finds it odds that MTV and Big Media aren't mentioning who is trying to enact the draft right now? I'd mark out if Bush would say "I will not let Democrats bring back the draft!..."

[Swift Terror 0]

And while we're on this subject, am I the only one who finds it odds that MTV and Big Media aren't mentioning who is trying to enact the draft right now? I'd mark out if Bush would say "I will not let Democrats bring back the draft!..."

 

 

repeat a lie often enough...

 

 

If Bush proposed this, it would be described as a "disturbing, jingoistic indoctrination initiative reminiscent of Hitler's Germany..."

[Guest MikeSC]

And while we're on this subject, am I the only one who finds it odds that MTV and Big Media aren't mentioning who is trying to enact the draft right now? I'd mark out if Bush would say "I will not let Democrats bring back the draft!..."

 

 

repeat a lie often enough...

 

 

If Bush proposed this, it would be described as a "disturbing, jingoistic indoctrination initiative reminiscent of Hitler's Germany..."

But, according to Halperin, Kerry doesn't tell lies to try and win this election...

-=Mike

[Guest CronoT]

Until a reliable source covers this, I will consider it bullshit, and nothing more.

[Justice 0]

Until a reliable source covers this, I will consider it bullshit, and nothing more.

It's his own fucking website! How much more reliable can you get?!

[Guest MikeSC]

Until a reliable source covers this, I will consider it bullshit, and nothing more.

It's his own fucking website! How much more reliable can you get?!

Well, in Chrono's defense, it IS Kerry's website. You never know what he'll say.

-=Mike

...I'm shocked Chrono didn't KNOW this was part of Kerry's policy, as I was aware of it back in August.

[Guest CronoT]

Until a reliable source covers this, I will consider it bullshit, and nothing more.

It's his own fucking website! How much more reliable can you get?!

Websites can be faked. There was a big shit going down with the neo-con's here a few weeks ago about a website that's domain name was completely opposed to it's actual content.

 

Like I said, until independent verification comes forth, this is bullshit, nothing more.

 

[EDIT]-I did a little checking, and the "John Kerry USA Flag" header from that "draft page" is completely different from the header on every other page on the official John Kerry/John Edwards website. Look for yourself:

 

That's the fake^

 

That's the real one^

 

You can even check the url, and see that they are different.

 

Next bullshit, please.

[Guest Cerebus]

From someone's "Anti-Bush" page, another "All American Patriots" website, oh and here's another page from Kerry's website.

 

7. Launch a new era of national service

 

Click on the "blueprint" link. See where it takes you. I think you may be pleasently surprised.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Until a reliable source covers this, I will consider it bullshit, and nothing more.

It's his own fucking website! How much more reliable can you get?!

Websites can be faked. There was a big shit going down with the neo-con's here a few weeks ago about a website that's domain name was completely opposed to it's actual content.

 

Like I said, until independent verification comes forth, this is bullshit, nothing more.

 

[EDIT]-I did a little checking, and the "John Kerry USA Flag" header from that "draft page" is completely different from the header on every other page on the official John Kerry/John Edwards website. Look for yourself:

 

That's the fake^

 

That's the real one^

 

You can even check the url, and see that they are different.

 

Next bullshit, please.

Gotta love someone just sticking their fingers in their ear and going "lalalala" over things like this.

[Guest MikeSC]

From someone's "Anti-Bush" page, another "All American Patriots" website, oh and here's another page from Kerry's website.

 

7. Launch a new era of national service

 

Click on the "blueprint" link. See where it takes you. I think you may be pleasently surprised.

I doubt anything will convince him --- and God knows Kerry will never utter it publicly. It was mentioned, REGULARLY, in conservative circles months ago.

 

Before the "Bush wants a draft" crap started. Kerry was smart enough to delete that page and re-do it when those rumors started up.

-=Mike

[Justice 0]

Until a reliable source covers this, I will consider it bullshit, and nothing more.

It's his own fucking website! How much more reliable can you get?!

Websites can be faked. There was a big shit going down with the neo-con's here a few weeks ago about a website that's domain name was completely opposed to it's actual content.

 

Like I said, until independent verification comes forth, this is bullshit, nothing more.

 

[EDIT]-I did a little checking, and the "John Kerry USA Flag" header from that "draft page" is completely different from the header on every other page on the official John Kerry/John Edwards website. Look for yourself:

 

That's the fake^

 

That's the real one^

 

You can even check the url, and see that they are different.

 

Next bullshit, please.

So... This is all you are presenting? Did it ever to occur to you that maybe the pages are running on different resolutions, resulting in the differnet banners? Or no?

Edit: Jesus, actually how do we know it's simply not an update? Seriously, a change in the banners does not really equal IRREFUTABLE PROOF OF FORGERY.

[Guest MikeSC]

You can't force a blind man to see.

-=Mike

[Guest CronoT]

http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/sear...h%2BAND%2BDraft

 

[sarcasm]OMG!!! All those people are saying Bush is going to restart the draft. It must be true![/sarcasm]

[Guest MikeSC]

http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/sear...h%2BAND%2BDraft

 

[sarcasm]OMG!!! All those people are saying Bush is going to restart the draft. It must be true![/sarcasm]

Except, of course, the Kerry plan is taken, VERBATIM, from his website.

 

Outside of that small difference, yeah, they're one in the same.

-=Mike

[Justice 0]

http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/sear...h%2BAND%2BDraft

 

[sarcasm]OMG!!! All those people are saying Bush is going to restart the draft. It must be true![/sarcasm]

Hilariously enough, there isn't one reference link to BUSH'S ACTUAL SITE, which, well, Cerebus actually sort of found, along with Kerry supporter sites saying the exact same thing.

 

Of course, this is probably a bit too complex for ya, I guess. Oh well, let's put your blinders back on...

[Guest Cerebus]

Here's some more:

 

A discussion from April of this year which links to the, now dead, page.

 

A youth page also links to it and mentions it has been taken down.

 

Also, the best answer to your question is that they re-did their website.

[Guest Cerebus]

http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/sear...h%2BAND%2BDraft

 

[sarcasm]OMG!!! All those people are saying Bush is going to restart the draft. It must be true![/sarcasm]

WHOOSH~!

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

...I'm shocked Chrono didn't KNOW this was part of Kerry's policy, as I was aware of it back in August.

I heard of this a while back, too.

 

But it's on Kerry's Web site so we shouldn't believe it.

 

Okie Dokie...

[2GOLD 0]

This is old news actually. I myself am tired of Democratic supporters claiming "BUSH WILL BRING BACK THE DRAFT" when the only party that purposed the return was the Democratic party.

 

Also, the plan as well as the draft actual never had anything to do with the war to begin with. It's meant to be a balancing factor since it is of common belief that only poor children join the military while the upper class who can afford college do not even consider the military. The plan is designed to even the playing field by forcing all high school students into the military before college.

 

Course, they never explain what this would do to college costs since most university would see this as a reason to boast tutition even more.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

As opposed to Academia boosting tuition already?...

[2GOLD 0]

As opposed to Academia boosting tuition already?...

 

Well yeah, but the last thing we need is for the government to GIVE them an excuse. Before it was just because they are greedy assholes. This would give them a defense so they wouldn't look like the greedy assholes they are.

 

Basically.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

They'd just say the increase in tuition was Republicans trying to hold back minorities.

[Guest MikeSC]

This is old news actually. I myself am tired of Democratic supporters claiming "BUSH WILL BRING BACK THE DRAFT" when the only party that purposed the return was the Democratic party.

 

Also, the plan as well as the draft actual never had anything to do with the war to begin with. It's meant to be a balancing factor since it is of common belief that only poor children join the military while the upper class who can afford college do not even consider the military. The plan is designed to even the playing field by forcing all high school students into the military before college.

 

Course, they never explain what this would do to college costs since most university would see this as a reason to boast tutition even more.

Brilliant point --- Obviously, I agree.

 

Doing ANYTHING to cut tuition rates through gov't funds only leads administrations to skyrocket their fees again, since they can always find the money.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

It reminds me of that Americorps shit. Get PAID to be a VOLUNTEER...

[2GOLD 0]

This is old news actually. I myself am tired of Democratic supporters claiming "BUSH WILL BRING BACK THE DRAFT" when the only party that purposed the return was the Democratic party.

 

Also, the plan as well as the draft actual never had anything to do with the war to begin with. It's meant to be a balancing factor since it is of common belief that only poor children join the military while the upper class who can afford college do not even consider the military. The plan is designed to even the playing field by forcing all high school students into the military before college.

 

Course, they never explain what this would do to college costs since most university would see this as a reason to boast tutition even more.

Brilliant point --- Obviously, I agree.

 

Doing ANYTHING to cut tuition rates through gov't funds only leads administrations to skyrocket their fees again, since they can always find the money.

-=Mike

 

I swear, the Government designs the STUPIDEST plans on the planet no matter who is in charge.

 

They all sound wonderful until you actually realize what the hell they would cost and what kind of backlash they would receive.

 

Leaving Colleges bare for two years may be the stupidest idea the US government would ever think of. And if anyone thinks a college student will really love the idea of making time for National Guard duty on weekends to go along with College then you are crazy as crazy can be.

[Guest MikeSC]

Sadly, the only way I can think of to cut tuition rates down to where they BELONG would be for gov't to divest itself, offer no aid, and let colleges deal with virtually no enrollment whatsoever.

 

With virtually no income, they'll have to fix their business model --- and, rest assured, colleges are little more than businesses.

-=Mike

[2GOLD 0]

Sadly, the only way I can think of to cut tuition rates down to where they BELONG would be for gov't to divest itself, offer no aid, and let colleges deal with virtually no enrollment whatsoever.

 

With virtually no income, they'll have to fix their business model --- and, rest assured, colleges are little more than businesses.

-=Mike

 

I think you have a better chance of Bush and Kerry turning the last debate into a dance off.

[Guest MikeSC]

Sadly, the only way I can think of to cut tuition rates down to where they BELONG would be for gov't to divest itself, offer no aid, and let colleges deal with virtually no enrollment whatsoever.

 

With virtually no income, they'll have to fix their business model --- and, rest assured, colleges are little more than businesses.

    -=Mike

 

I think you have a better chance of Bush and Kerry turning the last debate into a dance off.

I'd like to see that, actually.

-=Mike

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I think colleges love nothing more than to waste money. My friend works at the Ohio State library and it's insane what they'll pay for a science journal subscription. I mean there's no need to drop 10k on 5 journals that 4 students will need a few times.