EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2004 No to Canseco as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2004 Jose will try to convince you otherwise in his new book... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2004 baseball-reference.com has the 2004 stats up already and updated the HOF test numbers. Going by the Hall of Fame Monitor Albert Pujols is already a likely Hall of Famer. http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml Black Ink: Batting - 15 (146) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Gray Ink: Batting - 86 (260) (Average HOFer ~ 144) HOF Standards: Batting - 36.0 (180) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 109.5 (127) (Likely HOFer > 100) More of the greatness of Pujols: Similar Batters through Age 24 Compare Stats 1. Joe DiMaggio (928) * 2. Jimmie Foxx (912) * 3. Ted Williams (903) * 4. Vladimir Guerrero (888) 5. Frank Robinson (887) * 6. Hal Trosky (882) 7. Hank Aaron (876) * 8. Joe Medwick (868) * 9. Orlando Cepeda (867) * 10. Ken Griffey Jr. (862) Most Similar by Age 21. Joe DiMaggio (961) 22. Joe DiMaggio (938) 23. Joe DiMaggio (951) 24. Joe DiMaggio (928) Okay there is some debate if he's really 24 but god damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2004 If broadcasters are being mentioned, then I'm going to have to say that there's no reason not to put Tom Cheek in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2004 Here's a few, Al. Apologies if I've written repeats accidentally: - Joe Carter - Cito Gaston (Manager) - Dave Stewart - Larry Walker - Felipe Alou (Manager) - Dave Van Horne (Broadcaster, Expos, since Treble mentioned Cheek for the Jays) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2004 No, no, no, no, no, and I don't know anything about the guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2004 I expected no's for most, so your response doesn't shock me, Tom. I am, though, interested in Al's take on Stewart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2004 Jack Morris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Here's a few, Al. Apologies if I've written repeats accidentally: - Joe Carter - Cito Gaston (Manager) - Dave Stewart - Larry Walker - Felipe Alou (Manager) - Dave Van Horne (Broadcaster, Expos, since Treble mentioned Cheek for the Jays) Carter no. His OBP was abysmal, and his slugging pct. wasn't in the top 100. Gaston no. Dave Stewart no. 168 wins is not enough without a spectacular win percentage. I'm fairly sure I covered Walker earlier. He's got the best case of anyone on the list, but I can't endorse him. Alou no. He's been good, but not HOF good. Van Horne I can't make a judgement on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Jack Morris Interesting case, but it doesn't win me over. His ERA+ was 105, barely over league average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 For the Ford Frick award Jon Miller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Miller I already covered. In. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 20, 2004 I'm serious, not just being bitter. Will the memory of the monumental Yankee Meltdown of 04 have a negative affect on any "borderline" HOFers on this team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 I'm serious, not just being bitter. Will the memory of the monumental Yankee Meltdown of 04 have a negative affect on any "borderline" HOFers on this team? None at all. No one holds the collapse of 1978 against the Red Sox, and I've never heard of a player excluded from the Hall solely due to a bad postseason performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Bill James. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Wow. Way to throw me a curveball Verne. Like the broadcasters, the writers have their own wing of the Hall. I think James belongs there. No baseball writer has done more to influence the game in the last half-decade than James. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 This was brought up by Rob Neyer in a column. Coaches. He mentioned Leo Mazzone by name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 It's very hard to say. There isn't a coach I could comfortably induct. Even Mazzone's magic I'm not sure of. I'm half convinced Atlanta's pitching magic is due to Andruw Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Bernie Williams Jorge Posada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 If Mazzone was inducted, his plaque needs to be a hollogram of some sort which shows him rocking back and forth as you change the angle that you're looking at it from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Bernie Williams Jorge Posada Bernie I covered on page one. He doesn't quite have the numbers. Posada no. He's never led the league in anything, and he's been to just four All-Star games. If he posts a .400 OBP for the next five years, he'll get consideration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2004 Not saying Posada is a HOF but if fairness to him the majority of HOF catchers never led the league in anything including Yogi Berra. The three MVP's of course helped him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2004 True. I think its the MVPs. Posada has only finished in the top 10 once in his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AboveAverage484 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2004 Someone should do this with football and basketball too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2004 How about Orel Hershiser and Rafael Palmiero? I didn't see them mentioned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Man in Blak 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2004 I think Larry Walker deserves a little more consideration, personally: 3 Batting Titles 7 Gold Gloves .314 Career BA 228 SB, to match 368 HR 1997 MVP (the year he almost hit the triple crown) 55th all time in On-Base Percentage 76th all time in Adjusted OPS+ (which considers park factors) He passes the HOF Monitor by a wide margin (147 to 100), he meets the HOF Standards Test (52.8 to ~50), and four out of his top five comps are current Hall of Famers. He's not a first ballot guy, but I say he gets in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted October 21, 2004 I say if Larry Walker can have another couple good productive years, He can slide in and he can get rid of that "coors field element". The next two seasons will make or break his chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2004 How about Orel Hershiser and Rafael Palmiero? I didn't see them mentioned No and yes, respectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2004 I think Larry Walker deserves a little more consideration, personally: 3 Batting Titles 7 Gold Gloves .314 Career BA 228 SB, to match 368 HR 1997 MVP (the year he almost hit the triple crown) 55th all time in On-Base Percentage 76th all time in Adjusted OPS+ (which considers park factors) He passes the HOF Monitor by a wide margin (147 to 100), he meets the HOF Standards Test (52.8 to ~50), and four out of his top five comps are current Hall of Famers. He's not a first ballot guy, but I say he gets in. Yo have to throw the HOF Standards measurements out the window for Walker. They are not adjusted for park factors, and you know the voters are taking that into account. Win Shares gives Walker about 297 shares for his career (I don't have the exact figures handy). There are alot of borderline guys at 320-330. If Walker can avoid the injury bug and put together 2-3 productive seasons, as Shadow stated, he will garner more consideration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
