Calling NoCal Mike and other zombie fan hippies

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Minor Spoiler Below, and if anyone responds to this, probably in other posts, too -- Don't bitch if this thread ruins the movie for you.

 

OK, one of the movies I told myself that I would want to watch before I die was the original Dawn of the Dead. I heard nothing but good things about it, and according to a good number of people this is the zombie movies of all zombie movies. I've seen Night of the Living Dead and liked it, and I've seen Day of the Dead and thought it was OK. So, last week I popped in Dawn of the Dead, sat back and got ready to be wowed.

 

Boy was I off-base.

 

Not only did I think this film was a total piece of shit, but isn't odd that a film, which is supposed to be about American's obsession with consumerism, is now on a Four Disc DVD that's selling for $30+?

 

So, what am I missing in this film that have so many of you in a circle-jerk over it? Although I will say that when I watched it the next night while intoxicated it looked a lot better. The only redeeming scene for me came when that dipshit, for what reason I have no idea, sticks his arm into that blood-pressure-check-machine while surrounded by zombies.

 

Oh, yeah. Plus the part where all the black people were getting shot...

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

It may be easier for me to sell it to you if you tell me what you DIDN'T like about it?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Just about everything. From what I seem to remember about Night of the Living Dead, it made an attempt to try to be realistic, but Dawn was nothing more than a cartoon. I also didn't give two shits about any of the characters, either, but that doesn't always mean I'll hate the movie.

 

Oh, I almost forgot, I also laughed at the "redneck" line regarding the hunters from Johnstown, Pa.; 20+ years later and it's still an accurate observation...

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Well let me clear up the fact(and a good observation on your part) that the movie is suppost to be like a cartoon. It's suppost to be like a comic book(this the orange looking blood) with it's character's and storyline. That's where the dark humor comes in as well. Also, I'm surprised that you didn't eventually care about the characters, as they are very bland to begin with..............but they get more interesting as time goes on. This movie has what would be considered the first female heroin in movie history that wasn't a terrible mess. Meaning she took charge instead of running or crying(something very revolutionary in film........same as the heroic black man)..........enjoy this for the gore and intelligence put into the script.

 

Yes, living in PA myself I would say that the explaination of the hunters in Johnstown is still on the money today too..................

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Did this come out before Alien? I'd say Ripley is way more of a hero chick than that blonde was in Dawn. Ooooh, she asked how to fly the chopper. Big deal.

 

And in many reviews I read they mentioned the biker gang, but they don't show up until the end and make no sense at all.

 

Now was Night of the Living Dead supposed to be cartoon-ish as well? I didn't get that vibe when watching that.

 

enjoy this for the gore and intelligence put into the script.

 

OK, now we're onto something. First off, I didn't think it was that gory. Second of all, I thought the script was retarded. How was the script "intelligent?"

 

And when it comes to caring for characters, I'm a tough customer. I went to see a Sharon Stone movie just because she died in the film. When we knew she was going to get executed, some bitch next to me said "oh no" and I went "YES!"...

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

This WAS actually released before Alien. Ripley may have been a STRONGER character, but it's hard to gauge that considering she has pretty much had a whole series made with her as the main hero. Her perseption may be different if Alien was the only one made. It's also not just the fact that she asked to fly the chopper. That's part of it, but there is more. She doens't yell and scream and run away from everything either. She pretty much stays more head strong than everyone without maybe the exception of Peter(Ken Foree).

 

The Biker Gang is basically one of the film fans favorites because that's when the gore stuff really gets moving. It's basically to add another problem in the fold for crew in the mall. Nothing else.....nothing more.

 

Night of the Living Dead was not suppost to be cartoonish......AT ALL. It was suppost to be more of a paranoia type deal. Like a Hitchcock film mentality...........like letting you mind fill in the blanks.

 

Now, for the time (1979) the gore was unbelievable..........now, it's not really an issue. Actually, you said you saw Day and I think Day's gore blows Dawn away. Way more violent.....

 

Well, KKK how exactly is the film retarded? The writing is very intelligent as all the movies are tied together. They are a sort of a timetable of the Zombie world. Night is the initial start of the epidemic. Dawn is showing that humans are getting closely outnumbered. Day shows the earth as it has been almost completely taken over by Zombies.

 

If you have a hard time caring about a character KKK.......then I don't know what to tell you. I'm as sadistic as the next guy, but if you are going to be like that all the time..........then I don't know what you would like..............

[Guest El Satanico]

It's suppost to be like a comic book(this the orange looking blood)

Actually the orange looking blood was accidental. The fake blood they used was red, but when filmed it appeared orangish. I'm surprised you didn't know that, my fellow Dawn mark.

 

Regardless the orange looking blood worked with the cartoonish style of the film.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

It's suppost to be like a comic book(this the orange looking blood)

Actually the orange looking blood was accidental. The fake blood they used was red, but when filmed it appeared orangish. I'm surprised you didn't know that, my fellow Dawn mark.

 

Regardless the orange looking blood worked with the cartoonish style of the film.

Oh no Satanico, I actually did know that. They said that they ordered it from 3M and was very surprised that it looked that way. They still used it(although Savini had made other more realistic blood) because Romero did see the effect it would have in the grand scheme of things. That was straight from Savini himself(I actually got to have a cool, convo with him at the Pittsburgh Comicon this past Spring)..............

 

 

(By the way, to all my fellow Dawn marks.....you might wanna make the trip to the Comicon if you can.............I'll hook peeps up with info if they are interested, but they ALWAYS have the mall tour and many of Dawn's stars there....and it's always a cool experience.........oh, and Savini is there EVERY year.)

[Guest El Satanico]

I've been contemplating buying one of The Dawn prints from the Comicon on Ebay for awhile.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I've been contemplating buying one of The Dawn prints from the Comicon on Ebay for awhile.

You actually might want to wait until next years comicon. I'd buy it for you as you might get it way cheaper there...............if you would trust me to do so. What are they asking for them anyway?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

The writing is very intelligent as all the movies are tied together...

I'm just talking about Dawn -- I did like how all three films were connected. I dunno, perhaps I'm just bitter whenever I see some hippie director try to make social commentary in a movie that you just want to see people get shot, eaten by monsters, etc.

 

Like I said, I'm not trying to go "OMG DAWN OF THE DEAD IS THE SUQ U R ALL STOOPID!" I'm just trying to see why people like this movie so much.

 

And here's something I never understood. These zombies are supposed to be all slow and shit, yet whenever they take a bite out of you they nearly sever your limb...

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

The writing is very intelligent as all the movies are tied together...

 

I'm just talking about Dawn -- I did like how all three films were connected. I dunno, perhaps I'm just bitter whenever I see some hippie director try to make social commentary in a movie that you just want to see people get shot, eaten by monsters, etc.

 

Like I said, I'm not trying to go "OMG DAWN OF THE DEAD IS THE SUQ U R ALL STOOPID!" I'm just trying to see why people like this movie so much.

 

And here's something I never understood. These zombies are supposed to be all slow and shit, yet whenever they take a bite out of you they nearly sever your limb...

I understand that you might not be too keen on the social commentary, as to each his own. You could easily just ignore the social commentary(I did at first....hell, I saw this movie when I was 12 for the first time.....I didn't have clue about commercialism.), as it's still a cool gore flick.

 

I know you weren't saying it's the worst movie of all time or nothing. Some people aren't as big Romero fans as I am......it's that simple. What was your favorite Dead flick though KKK?

 

Very simple reply to that question KKK, teeth don't rot, so technically they are the stongest part of a rotting corpse. That and the fact that that is their drive(to eat) it would be assumed that's what they are the best at......

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

The teeth don't rot, but what about the jaw? I wouldn't be able to cut through human flesh like that when I was living, let alone dead for a few weeks.

 

I still find it funny that that whole commentary about being greedy and shit is shown on a ULTRA-SPECIAL-LIMITED-SUPER-SIZED-EDITION DVD.

 

I guess my favorite was Night of the Living Dead -- seeing it as a kid I was kinda freaked when the chick from the start of the movie wasn't around at the end, much like that chick's fate in Psycho.

 

Of course, having the black guy get killed at the end made me feel better. The ending to the newer NOTLD was hella lame.

 

And speaking of remakes, how does the newer Texas Chainsaw film compare with the first?

 

EDIT: Hey Terror, I see you're back from the honeymoon...

[Swift Terror 0]

I'll say that, having watched it again after not having seen it for many years, it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered.

 

It will interesting to see if the remake is actually BETTER than the original, as blasphemous as that is to some (yeah, I'm waiting until the DVD release tomorrow to see it, the hell with theater prices). Boy, were people pissed when it was announced that there was going to be a remake.

 

EDIT: yeah, I'm back, just in time for the release of the new DOTD.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

The teeth don't rot, but what about the jaw? I wouldn't be able to cut through human flesh like that when I was living, let alone dead for a few weeks.

 

I still find it funny that that whole commentary about being greedy and shit is shown on a ULTRA-SPECIAL-LIMITED-SUPER-SIZED-EDITION DVD.

 

I guess my favorite was Night of the Living Dead -- seeing it as a kid I was kinda freaked when the chick from the start of the movie wasn't around at the end, much like that chick's fate in Psycho.

 

Of course, having the black guy get killed at the end made me feel better. The ending to the newer NOTLD was hella lame.

 

And speaking of remakes, how does the newer Texas Chainsaw film compare with the first?

 

EDIT: Hey Terror, I see you're back from the honeymoon...

Well of course KKK, I must supply an answer that I personally hate.........you must suspend belief. That' what the filmmakers would say at least. It's my personal favorite film of all time.......but I'm a horror mark, what can I say.

 

Well, Romero has made surprisingly little from these films. He didn't even copyright the original NOTD, so he made hardly a cent from it. You can even take the original and do what you will with it and not have to worry about the copyrights. Plus, that's why there are so many DVD's on the market for it( leeches trying to make money off it). There was even a total redone version of it with new music and dialogue in it(more of a comedic version).......

 

If your favorite is the original NOTD.....then I understand your gripes with Dawn. Most people who enjoy that one the best have several problems with Dawn and it's message. But most of those people are mainly fans of expoitation films(which some consider NOTD), so I can understand how you feel........my opinion just differs is all.

 

I'll admit that the original NOTD ending was fantasic and brilliant. I just don't think that kind of ending would have went over as well in the remake(which I like too), but it looses it's luster compared to the original.

 

I did enjoy the new Texas, yet it doesn't touch the original. It's nothing like the original though, so calling this one a remake is kinda pushing it. It's worth a look, but it's a far cry from Tobe Hooper's masterpiece of horror.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I'll say that, having watched it again after not having seen it for many years, it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered.

 

It will interesting to see if the remake is actually BETTER than the original, as blasphemous as that is to some (yeah, I'm waiting until the DVD release tomorrow to see it, the hell with theater prices). Boy, were people pissed when it was announced that there was going to be a remake.

 

EDIT: yeah, I'm back, just in time for the release of the new DOTD.

I've seen both.....the new one is a good movie........but it's nothing compared to the original. Keep in mind Romero revolutionized the Zombie flick.......the remake doesn't do anything revolutionary and contains several holes in the plot(something Romero is great at covering)...................

 

definately worth seeing though..............

[Guest El Satanico]

I've been contemplating buying one of The Dawn prints from the Comicon on Ebay for awhile.

You actually might want to wait until next years comicon. I'd buy it for you as you might get it way cheaper there...............if you would trust me to do so. What are they asking for them anyway?

There's one guy with prints from the 2001 and 2003 events signed by Romero for $20 each...not including shipping.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257263&rd=1

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257089&rd=1

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I've been contemplating buying one of The Dawn prints from the Comicon on Ebay for awhile.

You actually might want to wait until next years comicon. I'd buy it for you as you might get it way cheaper there...............if you would trust me to do so. What are they asking for them anyway?

There's one guy with prints from the 2001 and 2003 events signed by Romero for $20 each...not including shipping.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257263&rd=1

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257089&rd=1

I don't know about those Satanico. Considering that they were charging $20 for Romero's autograph.........

 

Those pics alone were more than $20 there without the signature......something sounds shady to me.......

[Youth N Asia 0]

I love DOTD. I think it's just one of those movies you can sit back and enjoy without thinking about. Some movies are just fun, no deep meaning, no meaningful lesson learned.

 

And I think it's looked at as the favorite cause it's the easiest situation to picture yourself in.

 

Night...stuck in a house fighting off zombies, ouch.

Day...stuck underground with pissed off scientists and soldiers, beh.

Dawn...stuck inside a shopping mall with zombies...I think most people think they could pull that one off if they were stuck in the same situation.

 

Plus it's a dated movie, back when it came out no one had seen anything like it before. 25 years from now kids will probably wonder why The Matrix was such a big deal.

[Guest El Satanico]

I've been contemplating buying one of The Dawn prints from the Comicon on Ebay for awhile.

You actually might want to wait until next years comicon. I'd buy it for you as you might get it way cheaper there...............if you would trust me to do so. What are they asking for them anyway?

There's one guy with prints from the 2001 and 2003 events signed by Romero for $20 each...not including shipping.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257263&rd=1

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257089&rd=1

I don't know about those Satanico. Considering that they were charging $20 for Romero's autograph.........

 

Those pics alone were more than $20 there without the signature......something sounds shady to me.......

The seller always has a few of them every time they put up a new batch of merchandise. Not all of them are signed. I don't think the seller is a con, because he has 3200+ positive feedback.

 

I'm thinking the seller has some sort of connection with the Pittsburgh Comicon, because he always has a ton of merchandise supposedly from it. It's also on the cheap side price wise, which means it's likely not a dealer.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I've been contemplating buying one of The Dawn prints from the Comicon on Ebay for awhile.

You actually might want to wait until next years comicon. I'd buy it for you as you might get it way cheaper there...............if you would trust me to do so. What are they asking for them anyway?

There's one guy with prints from the 2001 and 2003 events signed by Romero for $20 each...not including shipping.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257263&rd=1

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3847257089&rd=1

I don't know about those Satanico. Considering that they were charging $20 for Romero's autograph.........

 

Those pics alone were more than $20 there without the signature......something sounds shady to me.......

The seller always has a few of them every time they put up a new batch of merchandise. Not all of them are signed. I don't think the seller is a con, because he has 3200+ positive feedback.

 

I'm thinking the seller has some sort of connection with the Pittsburgh Comicon, because he always has a ton of merchandise supposedly from it. It's also on the cheap side price wise, which means it's likely not a dealer.

Very well then.......I just assumed something was fishy with the price is all......

[dubq 0]

Honestly, I love DawnOTD.. but Day is my favourite of the films. I'm not sure, but maybe it's the post-apocalyptic-stuck-in-an-underground-military-base feel to it, I just love that movie the most out of Romero's dead films.

[NoCalMike 0]

I just wrote out a long opinion piece for Mr. KKK, and my puter screwed up, erased what I had.........argh.

 

I loved Dawn of the Dead <----will this do?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

That's why when you type out a long, thought-out post to SAVE it as you go.

 

Of course, I never have to do that when posting here.

 

I'll say that, having watched it again after not having seen it for many years, it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered.

 

I will say that it did look better the second time around after a few drinks.

 

you must suspend belief

 

Oh, I do, at least to the best of my ability. If I can suspend belief when I read INXS' posts, I can do so with movies...

[Guest SideFXs]

This movie is a blast to see with friends, especially when you are plastered and on your fourth beer. I believe it is a cult classic because you can’t help but laugh your ass off at the absurdity. So for some odd reason I liked it. I watched it the night before Swift Terror’s wedding, with him and KKK. And we had a totally good time.

 

You gotta watch this movie in a group. I think trying to find symbolism in the movie, such as the materialism of the Mall, or what is the meaning of the bikers, or DOTD had one of the first movie hero chicks or hero black man, is all fine and good and probably good social commentary, for 1978. And maybe that was Romero’s intention, to get you to think about those things, between all the blood and gore. But, come on folks, I will watch a David Lynch movie, if I want a good terrifying cerebral experience.

 

The remake will probably clean up the plot, smooth out the bad editing, improve the bloody decapitations and shots to the head, with computer graphics, and have professional actors, who can actually ACT. And that will be a shame.

[Vyce 0]

I'm sure I'll get a lot of folks disagreeing with me on this, but this is my opinion:

 

Dawn of the Dead (original) vs. Dawn of the Dead (2004 remake).

 

The original works quite well as a social commentary / satire.

 

However, as a HORROR film, the remake completely blows it out of the water.

 

I'm actually quite fond of the remake....I'll probably wind up picking up a copy of it this week once it's released tomorrow.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Honestly, I love DawnOTD.. but Day is my favourite of the films. I'm not sure, but maybe it's the post-apocalyptic-stuck-in-an-underground-military-base feel to it, I just love that movie the most out of Romero's dead films.

They did do a good job of picking that location. Day does give off a cool vibe and is definately different from the other two films........I got a lot of love for Day. Plus, the gore is awesome in that one.....best effects of the series by far.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I loved the remake as well. But they just couldn't have done the same movie in 1978, so you can't really compare the two.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Here's what I can tell you about the original Dawn of the Dead movie:

 

It has scary moments.

 

It has amazing special effects.

 

It has cool music.

 

The actors are very likeable.

 

It has humorous moments, that, while humorous, do not detract from the serious situations in the movie. They're funny because, well, it's probably what would honestly happen.

 

The movie doesn't feel like a cheap fucking attempt to make money, like the remake and almost every single horror movie of the past 15 years does. The movie feels like, honestly...a STORY that you FOLLOW.

 

I hope you like it.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Well I don't think the original Dawn every really tries to be a horror film. It has it's moments, but it's not trying to scare you. The remake is and while it may not succeed, it gives a decent effort.

 

The original is still my personal fave, but I really enjoyed the remake, which shocked the hell out of me. It had it's heart firmly in the right place.