Why would any American vote for Bush?

[Guest MikeSC]

PowerPlay - I was saying that the US perogative is believed to be more correct than the perogative of Europe.

By us, it should be. Europe does not have America's best interests at heart. We do.

I'm surprized more American's don't worry about their international image.

Why should we care? The world doesn't care how sleazy THEY are. It'd be like me worrying about what porn directors thought of me.

If you worked on foreign policy you would have more allies and less countries would want to or dare attack you.

We tried that.

 

For years.

 

Led to NUMEROUS attacks during the 1990's.

Do any of you see something wrong with Bush?

He spends way too much money.

At least look at the backlash that has followed his reign.

A HUGE plus for him.

It is not the American left that has conspired to create this, internationally there have been negative reactions to Bush and his administration. Don't any of you see why?

The world is full of useless shits.

-=Mike

[Guest NoMercy]

Alright, I agree obviously the acts that lead to 9/11 was not Bush's fault. Although, he knew that terrorism was a major issue, that he didn't do much to prevent.

[Guest NoMercy]

The international community doesn't have America's best interests at heart, they have humanity's best interests at heart.

 

And America's best interests aren't exactly always righteous.

[Justice 0]

Do any of you see something wrong with Bush? At least look at the backlash that has followed his reign. It is not the American left that has conspired to create this, internationally there have been negative reactions to Bush and his administration. Don't any of you see why?

I'll agree with Mike, he spends too much money. He needs to tighten up his damn budget. And I don't agree with him on some social issues, either.

 

But your utter ignorance of anything foreign policy is EXACTLY why I'm voting Bush. I don't care about negative reactions from the foreign communities; if they are anything like C-Bacon, I probably respect them even less in terms of beliefs. We weren't doing well with the world before 9/11, and frankly if it takes a fucking murderous terrorist attack for them to finally say 'Won't you be my Valentine?', I say fuck off. Their leaders were driven more by money and oil than ours were, as shown in the Dueffler report. If you can't understand why I don't trust the world and the UN with things like Darfur going on, then you obviously don't understand anything of politics.

[Justice 0]

The international community doesn't have America's best interests at heart, they have humanity's best interests at heart.

 

And America's best interests aren't exactly always righteous.

But, in this case, they were the better decisions, especially in the category of righteousness (Again, Duellfer Report). Your argument is getting weaker by the second, bud.

[Justice 0]

Alright, I agree obviously the acts that lead to 9/11 was not Bush's fault. Although, he knew that terrorism was a major issue, that he didn't do much to prevent.

What? You are completely renigging now. At the time, Terrorism was not that big of a concern. I'll tell you right now it was NOT on the minds of many people: The Tax cut battle and the SC were.

 

Dude, just cut your losses and shut up. For good.

[Guest MikeSC]

Alright, I agree obviously the acts that lead to 9/11 was not Bush's fault. Although, he knew that terrorism was a major issue, that he didn't do much to prevent.

Because he had the ability to change how security agencies communicate with one another --- oh wait, he couldn't.

The international community doesn't have America's best interests at heart, they have humanity's best interests at heart.

Wow. I'm sure that's news to the Sudanese.

Or Rwandans.

Or Balkans.

Or Iraqis.

-=Mike

[Guest cpac]

Today is a worse day in U.S. history. 53 million of my brothers and sisters voted for an idiot redneck hick retard to retain office as President of the U.S. Bush did nothing in the past four years to keep his job. I can understanding people voting for him in 2000 but not today. The main has failed time and time again over the past four years. Without fear of reelection this fool is going to be even worse as President. I dont think Kerry would have made the President but I think I would be able to sleep easier at night knowing he is running my country and not some drug addict retard who only got somewhere in life due to all of his daddy's money.

[Guest NoMercy]

The war in Iraq has now started a hatred in the Middle East against the United States, that will unfortunately last longer than the Cold War in my opinion. The ambiguous motives of US troops in Iraq will create legions of youth who will grow up with the same hate that brought the rise of Hitler. The Abu Ghrab incident, no matter what the justification, has created a culture that will continue to breed intense resentment for America. The world saw that war in Iraq was a bad idea, and in the future the world is going to have to band together to clean up America's mess.

[Justice 0]

Today is a worse day in U.S. history. 53 million of my brothers and sisters voted for an idiot redneck hick retard to retain office as President of the U.S. Bush did nothing in the past four years to keep his job. I can understanding people voting for him in 2000 but not today. The main has failed time and time again over the past four years. Without fear of reelection this fool is going to be even worse as President. I dont think Kerry would have made the President but I think I would be able to sleep easier at night knowing he is running my country and not some drug addict retard who only got somewhere in life due to all of his daddy's money.

What the hell, has this become the mindless liberal troll thread or something?

[Special K 0]

Oh shut the fuck up. I voted for Kerry, but the Dems have no clear message right now. They need to come up with one in the next 4 years, and I believe they will.

 

America is not going to crumble. It's a great nation. The greatest in modern history. If the Dems had come up with someone with even half a message, they would have won, based on job approval ratings. They didn't. They COULDN'T. Take the requisute chill pill, and take a flask of vodka and call me in the morning.

[Justice 0]

The war in Iraq has now started a hatred in the Middle East against the United States,

Dude, don't you remember 1993? WTC Bombing? It's been there a HELL of a lot longer than Iraq. You just don't remember that long ago.

 

that will unfortunately last longer than the Cold War in my opinion.

 

Okay, baseless claim: Check.

 

The ambiguous motives of US troops in Iraq will create legions of youth who will grow up with the same hate that brought the rise of Hitler.

 

Well, France, Russia, and China was pretty damn clear...

 

You continue to not support anything you say. Please, give us some fucking support to look at.

 

The Abu Ghrab incident, no matter what the justification, has created a culture that will continue to breed intense resentment for America.

 

Funny; you only started bringing it up again on election day. It's no longer an issue because it's been taken care of. I think that most Iraqis are angrier at the carbombs being let off in their backyard by the people supposedly fighting for their 'freedom' than a few US soldiers being fucktards.

 

The world saw that war in Iraq was a bad idea, and in the future the world is going to have to band together to clean up America's mess.

 

No, not likely. The big guys you are talking about were bribed into saying it was a bad idea. Saddam wanted them to get the reigns off him so he could get back to business as usual. Of course, you are too biased to recognized this.

[Guest MikeSC]

Today is a worse day in U.S. history. 53 million of my brothers and sisters voted for an idiot redneck hick retard to retain office as President of the U.S.

And now we have 20 or so people reading the babbling of a drooling retard bitching.

Bush did nothing in the past four years to keep his job.

Except deal with a recession left to him, a corporate accounting scandal left to him, 9/11, etc.

I can understanding people voting for him in 2000 but not today.  The main has failed time and time again over the past four years.  Without fear of reelection this fool is going to be even worse as President.  I dont think Kerry would have made the President but I think I would be able to sleep easier at night knowing he is running my country and not some drug addict retard who only got somewhere in life due to all of his daddy's money.

Hmm, I see "Whiny Bitches" in your future.

The war in Iraq has now started a hatred in the Middle East against the United States

Yeah, it JUST started. BEFORE that, it was all wine and roses.

The ambiguous motives of US troops in Iraq will create legions of youth who will grow up with the same hate that brought the rise of Hitler.

Sorry, we're not Europeans. Fascism doesn't work over here.

The Abu Ghrab incident, no matter what the justification, has created a culture that will continue to breed intense resentment for America. The world saw that war in Iraq was a bad idea, and in the future the world is going to have to band together to clean up America's mess.

Fortunately, the world is too inept. We, as usual, have to do all of the work.

-=Mike

[Guest NoMercy]

Man, Cpac isn't helping, his writing could use a bit more intelligence.

 

I see a bit better where you guys are coming from and I will check out the Duellfer Report because I am admittedly ignorant of its contents.

 

The whole situation in the world for the last few years isn't easily cut, right and wrong, good and bad. Only time will prove one of us wrong.

[Justice 0]

Oh shut the fuck up. I voted for Kerry, but the Dems have no clear message right now. They need to come up with one in the next 4 years, and I believe they will.

 

America is not going to crumble. It's a great nation. The greatest in modern history. If the Dems had come up with someone with even half a message, they would have won, based on job approval ratings. They didn't. They COULDN'T. Take the requisute chill pill, and take a flask of vodka and call me in the morning.

THANK YOU. You beautiful, beautiful Kerry-supporter.

[Justice 0]

Man, Cpac isn't helping, his writing could use a bit more intelligence.

Oh Jesus, I just snorted Pepsi out my nose. Time to clean up my monitor...

 

I see a bit better where you guys are coming from and I will check out the Duellfer Report because I am admittedly ignorant of its contents.

 

You should.

 

The whole situation in the world for the last few years isn't easily cut, right and wrong, good and bad. Only time will prove one of us wrong.

 

Wow, another renig. Are you John Kerry? Are you just bitter for being behind in the popular vote by 3% and probably going to lose in the Electoral College?

[Guest NoMercy]

I'm sorry, I'm not using my own computer right now otherwise I'd try and cite some sources to try and back myself up.

 

The US shouldn't be so sure of its power within the world. Virtually every great nation throughout time has fallen to vastly less developed war mongering nations.

[Justice 0]

I'm sorry, I'm not using my own computer right now otherwise I'd try and cite some sources to try and back myself up.

 

The US shouldn't be so sure of its power within the world. Virtually every great nation throughout time has fallen to vastly less developed war mongering nations.

Time periods are much different as well. I'd say that we won't see the fall of America from greatness in my lifetime, or my children's lifetime. I honestly see us being in power for a great many years.

[Guest NoMercy]

PowerPlay, I'm not surprized you percieve a renege as something negative. Admitting faults is a virtue, there is nothing wrong with accepting some issues and debating others within a discussion.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm sorry, I'm not using my own computer right now otherwise I'd try and cite some sources to try and back myself up.

You couldn't even on your own computer.

The US shouldn't be so sure of its power within the world. Virtually every great nation throughout time has fallen to vastly less developed war mongering nations.

Fortunately, we don't over-extend ourselves by holding an empire.

-=Mike

[Justice 0]

PowerPlay, I'm not surprized you percieve a renege as something negative. Admitting faults is a virtue, there is nothing wrong with accepting some issues and debating others within a discussion.

There's a difference between changing your opinion and renigging. Changing your opinion is okay, but renigging is not acknowledging the obvious flaws in your argument by continuing along the same thought process. You haven't changed your opinion, you've renigged. Get over it.

[Guest NoMercy]

Why did George W Bush think Iraq was such an critical threat that he had to rush off and start a war with them? Why not Iran? Why not Saudi Arabia? Didn't they have LEGITIMATE WMDs and terrorist networks? Aren't they a bigger threat?

 

 

(By the way Powerplay its "renege" not "renig")

[Guest MikeSC]

Why did George W Bush think Iraq was such an critical threat that he had to rush off and start a war with them? Why not Iran? Why not Saudi Arabia? Didn't they have LEGITIMATE WMDs and terrorist networks? Aren't they a bigger threat?

 

 

(By the way Powerplay its "renege" not "renig")

Because if he DIDN'T and did your alternatives, you'd be saying "Why did Bush do that? How could he leave Saddam alone?"

-=Mike

[Guest croweater]

No Mercy please, for the sake of all that is left wingged:

Stop getting owned.

I'll agree with you on a couple of points about Bush's presidency however, I there's no point in me arguing because I can't vote and so I don't look into American politics enough.

But I did follow the election and the campaign and it's obvious that The Democrats lost the election. Republicans have done an awful Job of pretty much everything. But The Democrats completely screwed themselves over by agreeing with the majority of it. Then they put up a candidate who didn't turn out to be superficially credible.

 

I say superficially because I assume that the majority of Americans, like Australians are influenced by mainstream media. The only thing I ever heard on tv about Kerry was about his "flip-flopping". Now whether he actually does this or not I have no idea. But he was portrayed as such by the media and by Republicans and if you tell people something enough they believe it.

That's what I believe happened here. The Democrats should have and could have got it done and they didn't.

 

I must also think how much of a negative effect the anti-Bush documentaries had on the Election. I mean freaking EVERYONE is sick of God damn Michael Moore to the point where regardless of if what he says is true people will vote against HIM (Especially considering he was probably the strongest Democratic personality in the race anyway)

 

It's also depressing that American politics seem more of a Team sport than a democratic election. People seem to vote for their "team" and justify everything they do regardless of what it is. It happens here too and is just baffles me.

[Guest cpac]

You know what is funny, you guys take what I say so seriously. It is sad and pathetic that you live on these boards all of your life and it is even more sad that you have to put down others for having their own opinions. So if you want to vote for a redneck retard for president that is your own choice. So continue to live on these boards and post thousands and thousands of times a year.

[Guest croweater]

Dude, you didn't make a point and you had no evidence.

The whole purpose of boards is disscussion. You gave nothing to discuss except a flimsy opinion and fluff.

[bob_barron 0]

I just got totally owned by everyone since my posts in the sports and this folder show how much of a fucking retard I am. Since I am such a fucking retard I attempted to post a witty comeback but sadly I have failed.

::edited for accuracy::

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

As long as Bush doesn't bring back the draft I don't think I'm going to have much of a problem with another Bush term. I'd like to see the spending cut down though.

 

And in the event that he does, I hope people that said it would never happen will be willing to admit they were wrong. I certainly hope it won't come to that.

[MrRant 0]

Can we mercy kill this thread?

[Guest croweater]

If the draft was brought back he should only be allowed to draft people who voted for him.