Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Quitters. If he concedes I'm never voting Democrat again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Good move for Kerry. He had about zero mathematical chance of getting the electoral votes he needed. We were looking at the outstanding states here at work, and figured he'd need something like 85% of all outstanding votes nationally (including provisionals, which can be expected to break approximately along party lines) to have a chance, and that just wasn't happening. Props to Kerry for not dragging this out longer than necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Quitters. If he concedes I'm never voting Democrat again. He's not a quitter. He recognizes the situation and the damage stretching this out causes to America and the Democratic Party. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evolution Report post Posted November 3, 2004 He's not a quitter. He recognizes the situation and the damage stretching this out causes to America and the Democratic Party. I don't usually post in CE, but... What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 And I haven't heard a single Democrat call Bush illigitimate as far as this win is concerned Partly, that's because I've been cleaning up the folder as some of the Dems around her completely lost it like St. Gabriel of Djibouti. That must've been pretty amusing... I didn't take it nearly as hard as I thought I would. I just kind of said a few cuss words under my breath, shook my head when Florida was called for Bush and then... decided I have more important things to worry about. The world will not end now that Bush gets a second term, and in all honesty, I wish him well It was up until a point... He was advocating that Kerry illegally produce enough votes in his favor to win because HE didn't vote for Bush and, therefore, Bush wasn't HIS president. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Not to this voter, buddy. Nah seriously though, 2000 redux would just piss people off. NBC's reporting it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 He's not a quitter. He recognizes the situation and the damage stretching this out causes to America and the Democratic Party. I don't usually post in CE, but... What? If Kerry thought that the Democrats could survive another Florida, he'd sue. However, since the Dems are hurting and the numbers are so far against Kerry in Ohio, he knew better than to push his luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 He's not a quitter. He recognizes the situation and the damage stretching this out causes to America and the Democratic Party. I don't usually post in CE, but... What? America does not need a long, drawn-out election --- especially since there is no chance of Kerry actually winning. And the Democrats, if they fought for any length of time, would be nailed --- rightly so --- with the "sore loser" label. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted November 3, 2004 And I haven't heard a single Democrat call Bush illigitimate as far as this win is concerned Partly, that's because I've been cleaning up the folder as some of the Dems around her completely lost it like St. Gabriel of Djibouti. That must've been pretty amusing... I didn't take it nearly as hard as I thought I would. I just kind of said a few cuss words under my breath, shook my head when Florida was called for Bush and then... decided I have more important things to worry about. The world will not end now that Bush gets a second term, and in all honesty, I wish him well It was up until a point... He was advocating that Kerry illegally produce enough votes in his favor to win because HE didn't vote for Bush and, therefore, Bush wasn't HIS president. Yeah thats rather ridiculous... but lets face it, a Kerry win would've caused a similar hysterical reaction from the conservatives here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 I disagree. I'd simply snipe and carp at Kerry --- but the "He's not my President" crap is sad. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? I'm actually picking the GOP to hold the WH, pretty much non-stop, for the next 20 years. Going hard-core anti-war tends to be death for the DNC. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DerangedHermit 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Well, it depends who they (and the Democrats run). If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, good god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? No, the GOP has infinately better options for candidates right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Kerry has conceded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted November 3, 2004 If the Republicans ran Mcain in '08, I think he'd win by a landslide against anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted November 3, 2004 It's McCain in '08 Regardless of whether you like him or dislike him, he's the star of the Republican party, loved by moderates, respected by the average american, and even by a lot of Democrats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? The Republicans haven't put forward their choice of a candidate yet. If it's a centrist like a John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, George Pataki, or (with a Constitutional amendment) Arnold Schwartzeneggar, they'll probably pick it up again. If it's someone on the far right, it depends on who the Dems put up and if there are any good Third Party candidates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 3, 2004 It's McCain in '08 Regardless of whether you like him or dislike him, he's the star of the Republican party, loved by moderates, respected by the average american, and even by a lot of Democrats. I would doubt it. His actions after his run in 2000 have hurt his political stock greatly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 3, 2004 I'd vote for him based on personality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Well, it depends who they (and the Democrats run). If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, good god. Rudy Giuliani might be too moderate to appeal to the whole base, but who knows. It's him or Frist, I think, but legislators don't quite make the best Presidents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Well, it depends who they (and the Democrats run). If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, good god. Rudy Giuliani might be too moderate to appeal to the whole base, but who knows. It's him or Frist, I think, but legislators don't quite make the best Presidents. Hillary vs. Rudy would be something I'd like to see... I wanted to see Rudy clean the floor with Hillary in 2000 but his cancer diagnosis scuttled that one. Lazio SHOULD have been able to beat her, but those questionable pardons by Bill Clinton in the last days of his term sure swung things towards Hillary in New York state. (To clarify, Lazio was a piss-poor candidate to begin with... He was in trouble before any of the pardon-trading swung votes Hillary's way) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Well, it depends who they (and the Democrats run). If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, good god. Rudy Giuliani might be too moderate to appeal to the whole base, but who knows. It's him or Frist, I think, but legislators don't quite make the best Presidents. Rudy's pro-gay at a time when that seems to be the Republicans football issue which guarantees the evangelicals would think twice. The choice is McCain: Moderate, loved by moderates. McCain would have a better chance at winning than say DeLay who would only appeal to the party's extremes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Well, it depends who they (and the Democrats run). If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, good god. Rudy Giuliani might be too moderate to appeal to the whole base, but who knows. It's him or Frist, I think, but legislators don't quite make the best Presidents. Rudy's pro-gay at a time when that seems to be the Republicans football issue which guarantees the evangelicals would think twice. The choice is McCain: Moderate, loved by moderates. McCain would have a better chance at winning than say DeLay who would only appeal to the party's extremes Tom DeLay knows better than to run for the Presidency... His history as the Republican Whip would be used against him, as he was pretty much the party's enforcer in the House. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Am I nuts for predicting the Republicans in 2008 barring a major collapse of epic proportions? Well, it depends who they (and the Democrats run). If it's Hillary vs. Rudy, good god. Rudy Giuliani might be too moderate to appeal to the whole base, but who knows. It's him or Frist, I think, but legislators don't quite make the best Presidents. Rudy's pro-gay at a time when that seems to be the Republicans football issue which guarantees the evangelicals would think twice. The choice is McCain: Moderate, loved by moderates. McCain would have a better chance at winning than say DeLay who would only appeal to the party's extremes Tom DeLay knows better than to run for the Presidency... His history as the Republican Whip would be used against him, as he was pretty much the party's enforcer in the House. Plus, Americans are stupid: The Whip? What's a Whip? Sounds a little too kinky for me. I don't want no leather queers in my White House Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted November 3, 2004 His history as the Republican Whip would be used against him, as he was pretty much the party's enforcer in the House. That and the ethics investigations, regardless of whether they have merit or not, could no doubt be used effectively by a Republican candidate running against him in the primary or the Democrat in the actual election Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Tom DeLay knows better than to run for the Presidency... His history as the Republican Whip would be used against him, as he was pretty much the party's enforcer in the House. Plus, Americans are stupid: The Whip? What's a Whip? Sounds a little too kinky for me. I don't want no leather queers in my White House Whip = Second in command of a party within a chamber of Congress The Whip, traditionally, is the party's enforcer. Dick Cheney was in this position in 1988 before Bush Sr. appointed him to the Cabinet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 His history as the Republican Whip would be used against him, as he was pretty much the party's enforcer in the House. That and the ethics investigations, regardless of whether they have merit or not, could no doubt be used effectively by a Republican candidate running against him in the primary or the Democrat in the actual election That's a connected issue... he was accused of strong-arming people in the House by threatening to pull the party's support for them if they didn't vote the party's way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Tom DeLay knows better than to run for the Presidency... His history as the Republican Whip would be used against him, as he was pretty much the party's enforcer in the House. Plus, Americans are stupid: The Whip? What's a Whip? Sounds a little too kinky for me. I don't want no leather queers in my White House Whip = Second in command of a party within a chamber of Congress The Whip, traditionally, is the party's enforcer. Dick Cheney was in this position in 1988 before Bush Sr. appointed him to the Cabinet. I know what a Whip is, it's his job to keep the party on the same page and not crossing over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2004 Wouldn't McCain be like 100 years old in 2008? Rudy is the best choice since he can win New York. And if he wins NY- it's over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
