gWIL 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 One must think about speaking skills. Does anybody know how good of speakers they are? Evan Bayh is pretty good, but his 96 DNC speech wasn't that great. What about the other guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TootyFruity Report post Posted November 13, 2004 What do you guys think of Wes Clark? He's from Arkansas, has credibility on national defense, and would make a good candidate IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 He lost miserably in 2004, so I doubt he gets another look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 What do you guys think of Wes Clark? He's from Arkansas, has credibility on national defense, and would make a good candidate IMO. I think he sucks. Plus he was endorsed by Madonna and Mikey Moore so that's -2 out of the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 GW in 2008. After all he was "selected" in 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I think Clark is the strongest possible Dem candidate. And I do NOT think people vote based on celebrity endorsements, even if Moore and Madonna supported him. Kerry's campaign should have proven that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Clark was fine till he opened his mouth. The minute he started talking, the wheels didn't fall off the cart....they exploded off and burst into flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Clark was fine till he opened his mouth. The minute he started talking, the wheels didn't fall off the cart....they exploded off and burst into flames. A tad melodramatic, don't you think? What did he say that was so horrible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I don't even remember at this point but Clark came off like a colossal moron every single time he tried to talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Did Clark have ANY policy positions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 correction: Brad Henry will be 45 in 2008. Wes Clark could be a good candidate for Vice President. Vice Presidents don't really do that much anyways. Which states would Hillary even win a primary in? not Iowa, not New Hampshire, not South Carolina.. New York and California, if she stays that long. Has anybody asked Henry Rollins if he wants to run? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 He lost miserably in 2004, so I doubt he gets another look. Well, more correctly I think he was completely knocked out of the picture in late 2003, but it seems longer. Did he run for the 2000 election? Clark I would think would be less likely of a choice than Edwards, even. Did Clark have ANY policy positions? http://www.clark04.com/issues/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I like Clark because he's a big Journey fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 13, 2004 What do you guys think of Wes Clark? He's from Arkansas, has credibility on national defense, and would make a good candidate IMO. He was FIRED as a general. That's part of his resume that gets ignored. Clinton removed him, There is a reason that happened. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 What do you guys think of Wes Clark? He's from Arkansas, has credibility on national defense, and would make a good candidate IMO. He was FIRED as a general. That's part of his resume that gets ignored. Clinton removed him, There is a reason that happened. -=Mike "One lingering question about General Clark's résumé is why his NATO tour came to an abrupt end in 2000. He was not fired by the White House, as some accounts have suggested. Rather, former officials of the Clinton administration say, his tour was cut short by Defense Secretary William S. Cohen and Gen. H. Hugh Shelton, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who were still smarting over their differences with the NATO commander." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/politics...6&ex=1083384000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megaadvice 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Hilary Clinton 11/4 Rudolph Giuliani 15/2 Bill Richardson 9/1 John Edwards 10/1 Tom Ridge 12/1 Bill First 14/1 Colin Powell 16/1 Jeb Bush 16/1 George Pataki 20/1 Barack Obama 20/1 Bob Ehrlich 28/1 Chuck Hagel 40/1 John McCain 28/1 Tom Daschle 40/1 Al Gore 50/1 Howard Dean 66/1 Condoleezza Rice 66/1 Elizabeth Dole 66/1 Others On Request Any experts in American politics wanna pick someone who is a good value bet out of this list. Anyone who does not know how it works if for instance i put $1 on Tom Ridge i win $12, if i bet $100 i get $1,200 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Frist and Giuliani have the best chances as of now. One of them will probably replace Cheney if he has another health scare, which gives them the inside track for 2008. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 I don't see Tom Ridge as a credible contender for the Republicans. I don't know there that high ranking for him came from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 The Democrats should reveal Bill Clinton's Mexican brother Billmondo Clinton, who looks and sounds exactly like Bill only he has a mustache and laughs loudly after every sentence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2004 Ridge '08. I'm on the bandwagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Bob Ehrlich 28/1 Awesome, I didn't even know he was considering though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justcoz 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 I agree with the statement that the Democratic party should have backed Joe Lieberman for '04. I wouldn't object to Kerry running again in '08 but a lot of it depends on what the next four years are like. If Bush falls on his face and we are still in red ink from the war, terrorisim is still running rampant across the world despite what will by then be millions of deaths of US Soldiers, North Korea being a bigger threat than ever, many Americans out of work, etc. - Kerry's platform is right there. He will be the first person thought of when people regret their decision to go with Bush in '04. Even though the margin of Bush's win was disappointing to the Democratic party, the fact that Kerry earned 55 million votes, the second highest in a Presidential election (to George of course), should not go without notice. What the Democratic party should be the most concerned with is winning back some votes in the midwest and the south. The Kerry campaign neglected that part of the country. I thought the whole point of bringing Edwards aboard was to send him to those areas where his southern accent would connect more with people in those regions than Kerry's intellect? If running the Hillary and Obama, I think the party would run into the same thing they ran into this year. California, PA, states in the Northeast and the rest of the blue states would more than likely embrace such a ticket. I don't think those red states are necessarily ready to elect a woman to the office of President. Not to mention a woman AND a black man if they groomed Obama for the VP role. This is the same country where 59 million people were more concerned with two dudes or two chicks getting married and sharing health insurance and benefits than the Bush administration's blunders, American soldiers dying in a war started under false pretenses, lack of jobs within the country with more jobs being outsourced overseas, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 what will by then be millions of deaths of US Soldiers Um, that's kind of hyperbolic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 what will by then be millions of deaths of US Soldiers Um, that's kind of hyperbolic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Millions of US soldiers dead.... How the hell would that happen? Are we invading China tomorrow and no one told me??? Do we even have millions of soldiers to lose? Have we lost millions of soldiers COMBINED in every war we have fault yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 what will by then be millions of deaths of US Soldiers Um, that's kind of hyperbolic. I meant the other definiton. 2. (Rhet.) Relating to, containing, or of the nature of, hyperbole; exaggerating or diminishing beyond the fact; exceeding the truth; as, an hyperbolical expression. ``This hyperbolical epitaph.'' --Fuller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Millions of US soldiers dead.... How the hell would that happen? Are we invading China tomorrow and no one told me??? Do we even have millions of soldiers to lose? Have we lost millions of soldiers COMBINED in every war we have fault yet? I think we do have over a million. And here's a chart of casualties from various wars. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 If running the Hillary and Obama, I think the party would run into the same thing they ran into this year. California, PA, states in the Northeast and the rest of the blue states would more than likely embrace such a ticket. I don't think those red states are necessarily ready to elect a woman to the office of President. Not to mention a woman AND a black man if they groomed Obama for the VP role. I don't think even the blue states are ready for that. If the next four years go well enough and the GOP selects a strong candidate, Hillary and Obama will surely lose Kerry states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and New Hampshire. Possibly even Connecticut and Oregon. Like I said, Geraldine Ferraro II: Electric Boogaloo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Millions of US soldiers dead.... How the hell would that happen? Are we invading China tomorrow and no one told me??? Do we even have millions of soldiers to lose? Have we lost millions of soldiers COMBINED in every war we have fault yet? I think we do have over a million. And here's a chart of casualties from various wars. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html Yeah, but do we have millions? And we aren't even close to a million soldier deaths total in every war we have fought. So what the heck, someone jumped the gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Millions of US soldiers dead.... How the hell would that happen? Are we invading China tomorrow and no one told me??? Do we even have millions of soldiers to lose? Have we lost millions of soldiers COMBINED in every war we have fault yet? I think we do have over a million. And here's a chart of casualties from various wars. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html Yeah, but do we have millions? And we aren't even close to a million soldier deaths total in every war we have fought. So what the heck, someone jumped the gun. Yeah, maybe not millionS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
