Why is it that WWE are making all these blunders?

[Fökai 0]

This is a big one. This time last year, they had already started the ball rolling for Benoit's journey to the top

Started at Survivor Series.

 

the Jericho/Trish double turn

 

Ditto the angle starting in November, then being executed in the next few months.

 

Undertaker versus Kane

 

Not even teased until Survivor Series.

 

and even Goldberg/Lesnar had been teased.

 

Again, the first tease was at Survivor Series.

 

This year, only HHH/Orton has actually been teased on TV, and Angle/Taker is the only other rumored match they already have decided, which they have yet to start building up. I'm wondering what all but four wrestlers are going to be doing at Wrestlemania this coming year.

 

Isn't there a pay-per-view on Sunday?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

What I don't understand is how WWE could have botch EVERY big angle since basically 2000. I think one problem is that everything is too scripted for the wrestlers. All the promos are written out, the matches are for the most part all scripted out. WWE really should let some (not all) wrestler's do their own thing. Maybe then the audience would see that they have some personality and thus actually care what they do. But that's just my opinion.

Big Angles eh? Botching since 2000 you say...

 

Hmmm....

 

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This is a big one. This time last year, they had already started the ball rolling for Benoit's journey to the top

Started at Survivor Series.

Which was a year ago.

 

, Eddy's split with Chavo and eventual title win,

 

They didn't tease a turn until December, then executed the turn in January.

 

They were teasing it in October, actually. I remember people complaining about the angle taking so long.

 

the Jericho/Trish double turn

 

Ditto the angle starting in November, then being executed in the next few months.

 

The angle started in September when Jericho came to Trish's rescue the week after Austin stunned Stacy Keibler.

 

Undertaker versus Kane

 

Not even teased until Survivor Series.

 

Which was a year ago.

 

and even Goldberg/Lesnar had been teased.

 

Again, the first tease was at Survivor Series.

 

Which was a year ago.

 

This year, only HHH/Orton has actually been teased on TV, and Angle/Taker is the only other rumored match they already have decided, which they have yet to start building up. I'm wondering what all but four wrestlers are going to be doing at Wrestlemania this coming year.

 

Isn't there a pay-per-view on Sunday?

 

Yes. Do you really think they're going to get the ball rolling for 3-5 new feuds to blow off at Wrestlemania? I hope so, but I'm skeptical.

[The Mandarin 0]

I originally wanted this thread to be less "What is WWE doing wrong?" and more "Reasons not to have sex". I don't mind, though. Carry on.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I originally wanted this thread to be less "What is WWE doing wrong?" and more "Reasons not to have sex". I don't mind, though. Carry on.

Q: "Give me ONE good reason not to push me!"

 

A: "Cause we'd rather be doing this rape storyline."

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The point was, most of the these programs weren't even *teased* until the November pay-per-view. We're nearly SIX MONTHS away from Wrestlemania.

 

Potential Mania programs with the ball rolling...

 

--Trips/Orton

--HBK/Edge

--Cena/Angle

--Kane/Snitsky

 

...and with what happens at Survivor Series, we'll see if any other long-range programs develop (i.e. JBL's depature, Eddie/???) or if any other players move past short-term booking (Batista, Benjamin, Jericho, etc.).

 

Yes. Do you really think they're going to get the ball rolling for 3-5 new feuds to blow off at Wrestlemania? I hope so, but I'm skeptical.

 

They teased two interpromotional matchups at last year's show. The new allure they've affixed to Wrestlemania is the fact that they'll do a few interpromotional feuds as a "one-time only" deal. Barring a drastic change in the brand extension, when will the writers have any time to fit a RAW superstar into a SD! angle and vice-versa?

[bob_barron 0]

When have they teased Cena v. Angle??? Aren't all signs pointing to Angle v. Taker?

 

Chavo's heel turn on Eddy began being teased at No Mercy and they dragged it out until January

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Aren't all signs pointing to Angle v. Taker?

Sure, if you can explain how the belt gets to Angle in time for the Mania title change to mean something.

 

It just seems that they backed themselves into a corner with JBL adding the stipulation to his title match. He hasn't gotten the upper hand on Booker at all in this feud, so it just seems that the WWE wouldn't de-value JBL's character in this degree. Additionally, JBL's heel schtick would be lost in the RAW shuffle almost immediately. Dropping the belt to Booker on Sunday was the best possible option they had at getting the belt to Angle.

 

When have they teased Cena v. Angle???

 

Carlito looks too obvious of a culprit for the stabbing, which was why I went back to Angle based on the way Cena treated GM Angle over the summer.

 

EDIT: And anyway, Eddie/Chavo wasn't a Wrestlemania program, so I don't understand how that feud directly affected the title push.

[bob_barron 0]

They could always do a triple threat match to get the belt off JBL. I don't think Booker has a hope in hell either. SD! has Armageddon, RR and No Way Out to so a title change. That's definetley enough time to get the belt to Angle.

 

Everywhere you read it says they're doing Angle v. Taker. I don't see a reason to doubt that

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Aren't all signs pointing to Angle v. Taker?

Sure, if you can explain how the belt gets to Angle in time for the Mania title change to mean something.

Yeah, right....like it's going to "mean something".

 

Smackdown has Survivor Series, a december PPV (apparently), Rumble, and No Way Out before WM.

 

Hell, for all intents and purposes JBL could keep the belt on PPV and lose it in two weeks to Booker after some crazy ass interference at SurSer. Getting the belt on Angle isn't hard, but then to build Angle vs. Taker (which was a comedy feud last time) and make it into a *ahem* serious storyline is going to be the part they are going to screw up. The title change at WM (if it happens) really won't mean anything except "hey look, now Taker is champion". In all honestly they need to have a long term championship reign with Angle, that way it erases the stigma of the JBL reign.

[Fökai 0]

Exactly what I trying to convey.

 

Angle's trying to politick his way into losing a title match to Taker, so isn't his main focus (as a towelboy for UT) moving the belt in a convincing fashion?

 

Maybe the April date for Wrestlemania convinced Vince to bite on a JBL/???/Angle match for the Rumble or a show close to that.

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My theory is actually that Vince comes to them and says, "Write a storyline about Kane getting Lita pregnant." The writers are blamed far too much for what ends up on TV. Vince has total autonomy.

No. The writers are encouraged to come up with ideas (which they write scripts for prior to approval), then get them pitched. Vince then picks up the ideas he feels suits the shows the best and runs with it.

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If (big if) Booker T wins the title, I can easily see him dropping it at the Rumble the latest, and allowing Angle a 2 month reign to feud with Undertaker.

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What I don't understand is how WWE could have botch EVERY big angle since basically 2000.  I think one problem is that everything is too scripted for the wrestlers.  All the promos are written out, the matches are for the most part all scripted out.  WWE really should let some (not all) wrestler's do their own thing.  Maybe then the audience would see that they have some personality and thus actually care what they do.  But that's just my opinion.

Big Angles eh? Botching since 2000 you say...

 

Hmmm....

 

LOL....good going Rudo.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

It all goes down to their very mindset, their way of thinking. They base too much on presmises and ideas and not enough on execution. They really seem to have misinterpreted what worked and what didnt from their hot periods. All of this became more and more obvious since 2002 (well 2001 really, but I'd say 2002 was the first consistently bad year of the drop), and the past 2 years are just an extension of it. Its funny seeing the apologists and the "hhh isn't so bad crowd" and all the rest, keep saying almost word for word what people were sying in 2001... and in 2002... and in 2003... now in 2004.

They think what they are doing is good, no matter what. It's all about their way of thinking, and short of alien brainwashing, there really isn't anything one can do except hope that they luck onto a big mainstream angle, and hope that HHH doesn't insert himself in it, and hope they don't fuck it up like they do everything. or to somehow purge WWE of Stephanie, HHH, Vince, JR, Gewertz, and everybody else who's a part of this decision making process, and what are the odds of that many people somehow leaving the company? zilch.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

If you want to look at "mindset", I think the most damaging mindset has been their obsession for reaction. "We don't care if they boo or cheer, as long as they aren't silent" is great on the surface, but they're only focus is on the immediate reaction, and that's how we get what we get. Vince is a mark for the pop, so even if it means killing a bit of the town each time they go there by continually insulting them, it's ok with him cause the fans that are there boo loudly for the cheap heat. Even if it means conditioning the fans to cheer at certain things and then trapping yourself and the wrestlers in that same pattern of "wait, applause" rather than being comfortable in silence (which, GASP, might mean people are LISTENING), as long as after everything sentence there is a pop and no one really cares, it's ok. Even if it means depushing a wrestler because he isn't getting a reaction right away, or raising the bar on offensive gimmicks, or going into rape and murder, it's ok because "boy! They're mad!" is better than "Boy! They got their moneys worth!" or "Boy! This will get them to come again and bring a friend!".

 

The biggest mark of them all

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Meh Vince is old, id say he just really doesnt care anymore. He has his jet, he's nowhere near bankrupcy and has no competition to beat and make him feel good about himself. Its like when people get to the top of companies, they jump out the window, because their whole life was to get to that point, and when they are there they have nowhere else to go. Vince made his money, he beat his compeditors....now he has nothing to do so he doesnt care.

 

 

 

That and he'd do anything for his daughter

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Meh Vince is old, id say he just really doesnt care anymore. He has his jet, he's nowhere near bankrupcy and has no competition to beat and make him feel good about himself. Its like when people get to the top of companies, they jump out the window, because their whole life was to get to that point, and when they are there they have nowhere else to go. Vince made his money, he beat his compeditors....now he has nothing to do so he doesnt care.

 

 

 

That and he'd do anything for his daughter

I read that last part wrong... or I read it right and you wrote it wrong.

[Sideburnious 0]

Meh Vince is old, id say he just really doesnt care anymore. He has his jet, he's nowhere near bankrupcy and has no competition to beat and make him feel good about himself. Its like when people get to the top of companies, they jump out the window, because their whole life was to get to that point, and when they are there they have nowhere else to go. Vince made his money, he beat his compeditors....now he has nothing to do so he doesnt care.

 

 

 

That and he'd do anything for his daughter

I read that last part wrong... or I read it right and you wrote it wrong.

Lmao...........I think ill leave it the way it is, because we all know its true anyway you read it

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As for the hoss thing, they don't think fans will pay to see wrestlers that look like everyday people, so they look for freakishly huge guys and push them.

That's true and is a big problem the indies have. But you know what? The WWE still has the same problem. All their hosses look the same and don't stand out at all. Everyone they bring up looks exactly like someone in normal life except they're bigger. Nobody's distinct anymore and a lot of that is due to the WWE.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Wrestlers don't necessarily have to look different to normal dudes to draw their attention. They can also do crazy shit that normal dudes can't do. Beside, if there are too many hosses, then none of them stand out, and wind up looking normal themselves.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

... and end up making what you would call a "normal" size person look tiny.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

... and end up making what you would call a "normal" size person look tiny.

And if you debut them with other big guys, or put them with bigger guys, their size is negated. A perfect example would be when Matt Morgan and Nathan Jones were brought in to team with Lesnar, Show and A-Train The only thing they had going for them was their size, and that was ruined by putting them in with A-Train, who was as big as them, and Show who was bigger.

[CanadianChick 0]

Unless someone is Big Show's height or Lesner's built, it's close to impossible to just get by on their size. I don't think Vince gets that though. Unfortunate really.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Unless someone is Big Show's height or Lesner's built, it's close to impossible to just get by on their size. I don't think Vince gets that though. Unfortunate really.

It can be done, though. They've been doing it with Heidenrape, by only putting him in the ring with smaller guys he can squash. Of course, the time comes when you have to put them in against equally big guys, and, unless they're a super worker, the air is soon out of the tires.