WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

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The Abbott knife deal was a shoot. He wasn't meant to pull any kind of knife out. They tried to cover for it on commentary by saying that maybe Abbott was trying to cut Al's hair.

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Thanks for the answers to the Q's guys. Funny thing was after all the push behind Abbott wasn't he just made into a joke with 3 Count?

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He was. It was amusing, but it was a total waste.

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Actually Abbott got zero reaction until they started the 3 Count thing. I thought it was hilarious.

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Any speculation on what kind of pushes/angles we may have seen had Schaivone gotten Watts' job?

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No clue what he would have done, although I'm sure it would have been the greatest WCW in the history of our great sport.

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The original plan for Starrcade 1999 or 2000 was for a Goldberg v Abbott main event. I know that seems ludicrous, but if it was booked right, with Abbott playing the role of the outsider who decries wrestling for being fake, and them playing up his knockout punch as deadly, it could have meant something.

 

The outsider angle is the easiest angle to pull off. Just a shame most people can't see that.

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Probably the same old crap that had been going on. I wouldn't really see him pushing anyone new.

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Good thread.

 

I have a few question since I totally stopped watching WCW in 1997, which is why WCW 2000 really intrigues me.

 

What the whole deal with the Hummer angle?

 

I download Bret vs Goldberg for the WCW title, and Bret wins with the help of the new NWO, HAll, Nash, and Jarrett, were there any indications that this was going to happen, how long did it last, and why did it come about?

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Russo's big plan all along was to recreate Montreal and reform the nWo. It didn't last long, in it's intended fashion, because Hart got a billion concussions, and had to retire.

 

The Hummer was originally seen smashing into a limo that had Kevin Nash inside. There was a flash of a long camera shot with a fake Sting in the drivers seat earlier in the night, I think. Later on, they did an angle were someone produced photos of Hogan standing next to a hummer, with the implication it was him. It was dropped for all intents and purposes, until the April 10th 2000 Nitro when one rammed a limo with Hulk Hogan in it. Eric Bischoff and Kidman stepped out, and we were meant to believe it had been Eric all along.

 

Incidentally, the original plan was for Carmen Electra to be the driver.

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What the whole deal with the Hummer angle?

 

It's best not to ask about this.

 

I download Bret vs Goldberg for the WCW title, and Bret wins with the help of the new NWO, HAll, Nash, and Jarrett, were there any indications that this was going to happen, how long did it last, and why did it come about?

 

Bringing the nWo back was an attempt to grab some ratings. But essentially everyone involved was out due to injury in about 2 weeks. I don't really recall it being well known about before it happened. But things were a mess back then and you really never had a clue with spoilers.

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Russo didn't believe in foreshadowing. He believed in swerves. He had this strange idea that he had done his job as a writer as long as he fooled the audience.

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What was the reason for WCW pay-per-views in 1998 being advertised as WCW/NWO (Insert PPV name here)? And why was this also used for merchandising?

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What was the reason for WCW pay-per-views in 1998 being advertised as WCW/NWO (Insert PPV name here)? And why was this also used for merchandising?

They had considered a brand extension with the debut of Thunder. That may have had something to do with it. They stopped doing it in 1999 because they felt it was diluting the product.

 

Hogan may have pushed this too. I can't vouch for the validity, but I recall reading something once that Hogan received a bonus for all use of even the NWO logo, even if it was to sell a Wolfpac shirt when he was in NWO Black and White. That may or may not be correct.

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Does anyone have a picture of Galaxy who was wrestling for the company in 97. I for the life of me can't remember what the guy looked like.

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Is it true that Hogan paid Nick Patrick to slow down his fast count at Starrcade 97?

 

Why did Flair wrestle at WW3 97 and Souled Out 98 but not Starrcade. Did they ever blow off his feud with Hennig?

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Is it true that Hogan paid Nick Patrick to slow down his fast count at Starrcade 97?

It has never been confirmed for sure, but Sting has even said other wrestlers have told him that in confidence and he doesn't know if he should believe it or not. It's long been a rumor, and we'll probably never know for sure, as Hogan would never admit to something like that.

 

Why did Flair wrestle at WW3 97 and Souled Out 98 but not Starrcade. Did they ever blow off his feud with Hennig?

 

I think they were trying to use Flair less at that point. Bischoff was very adamant that he not be around all the time.

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Why did Flair wrestle at WW3 97 and Souled Out 98 but not Starrcade. Did they ever blow off his feud with Hennig?

 

That was extremely normal for WCW at the time. You could see a guy on every show for a month and then he'd disappear for two. The roster was just so big that they were always forgetting about people.

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Is it true that Hogan paid Nick Patrick to slow down his fast count at Starrcade 97?

Put it this way, you can't screw up a fast count by accident. Also, on the Starrcade '97 commercial tape, they actually speed the count up, so it looks fast.

 

Why did Flair wrestle at WW3 97 and Souled Out 98 but not Starrcade. Did they ever blow off his feud with Hennig?

 

Flair damaged his ankle at WW3.

 

Considering how over he was and how good a worker he was- What happened to Davey Boy once he got to WCW in 98? They never did anything with him and he seemed to deteoriate as well.

 

He was really inconsistant. One match could see him work hard, the next could see him dog it. Of course, once the pill problem kicked in, he was history.

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So they changed it to DDP v. Hennig b/c Bischoff didn't want Flair around?

 

What was up with Anvil being in WCW for like a week in 1993?

 

Considering how over he was and how good a worker he was- What happened to Davey Boy once he got to WCW in 98? They never did anything with him and he seemed to deteoriate as well.

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So they changed it to DDP v. Hennig b/c Bischoff didn't want Flair around?

I don't think Bischoff even had Flair on his mind when he made that decision. I think he just wanted to give his buddy a big win on a big show.

 

What was up with Anvil being in WCW for like a week in 1993?

 

Good question. I don't know.

 

Considering how over he was and how good a worker he was- What happened to Davey Boy once he got to WCW in 98? They never did anything with him and he seemed to deteoriate as well.

 

He was having health problems, and he probably wasn't motivated to do much since he had a nice downside guarantee and no push.

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Considering how over he was and how good a worker he was- What happened to Davey Boy once he got to WCW in 98? They never did anything with him and he seemed to deteoriate as well.

 

He feuded with McMichael and then did tag work with Anvil for awhile. They had some decent matches with Chono/Tenzan in the summer. Then he severely hurt his back on the trap door in the ring at Fall Brawl. The trap door was in the ring so the Warrior could do his whole appearing/disappearing thing.

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How much did Davey Boy have to pay to get out of the WWF and how much did WCW give him?

 

Why didn't WCW do anything with him? (Is the answer: It's WCW)

 

In 2000 The Cat made a ruling that there be no interference in matches and it actually led to some really good Nitros and Thunders that summer. (Except the shoot stuff- I thought summer 2000 was really underrated) Whose idea was that?

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And they fired him after he had surgery, I believe. That's what I couldn't remember. There was an Ultimo Dragon story around the same time that was similar, where WCW's doctor ended up injuring him and forcing him into an early retirement, but I can never remember which story is which. I do know there was major controversy over DBS's firing.

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How much did Davey Boy have to pay to get out of the WWF and how much did WCW give him?

 

In 2000 The Cat made a ruling that there be no interference in matches and it actually led to some really good Nitros and Thunders that summer. (Except the shoot stuff- I thought summer 2000 was really underrated) Whose idea was that?

$150,000

 

Johnny Ace's, I think.

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How much did Davey Boy have to pay to get out of the WWF and how much did WCW give him?

 

Why didn't WCW do anything with him? (Is the answer: It's WCW)

It cost him $100,000 to leave the WWF. I don't know how much WCW paid him. They didn't use him because it's WCW. Sorry.

 

In 2000 The Cat made a ruling that there be no interference in matches and it actually led to some really good Nitros and Thunders that summer. (Except the shoot stuff- I thought summer 2000 was really underrated) Whose idea was that?

 

Johnny Ace. He had a brilliant idea to run 100% clean finishes for a while. Revolutionary, that.

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Davey Boy hit the trap door, really screwed up his back but he worked a little bit after that until he had to go out with injury.

 

That's when he had a rash of bad luck with family problems, painkiller problems and Bischoff being the nice guy that he is- fired him over FedEx.

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Ultimo Dragon had bone chips in his elbow and the WCW doctors fucked it up worse with surgery and he had to retire.

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And they fired him after he had surgery, I believe. That's what I couldn't remember. There was an Ultimo Dragon story around the same time that was similar, where WCW's doctor ended up injuring him and forcing him into an early retirement, but I can never remember which story is which. I do know there was major controversy over DBS's firing.

DSB was laid up in hospital, literally at death's door practically, unable to walk or move, and WCW Fed-Ex'd his termination notice to a family member.

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Johnny Ace was also the guy who was big on near falls right?

 

Since he was so good with WCW in 2000- why haven't we seen this stuff in WWE today given that he has JR's job.

 

What did other wrestlers think of DDP meticiously laying out his matches in advance? What would Page do in tag matches and the like