MikeJordan23 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 ........................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 The sun came up this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 You're god damn right he did. Anything else would have been a CRIME against baseball. To channel Woody Paige... Look at the STATS! (ok, close enough to schedule). This might have been Bonds best year ever. The only people who will have something to say about this are the people who cry steroids! steroids! just because Barry isn't the nicest guy in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I can't find the complete voting yet (Top 5 went: Bonds, Beltre, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds) but apparantly one voter voted Bonds 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Yup, 24-7-1 for Bonds. Beltre got 6 first place votes, Pujols and Rolen each with one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 He won. yah. Don't care. As long as he doesn't win that Series ring, he can collect all the MVP's he wants... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Whatever. I'm happy for Barry, but none of this shit has ever led to a ring. Note: At least this year's thread title didn't involve the word Melon head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 My favourite parts of the ESPN.com story previewing the voting were where they mentioned that, had Barry gotten no hits this year, he still would've had a higher OBP than the NL batting champ, and that Barry got more intentional walks than the AL walks leader had, total. How long can he keep this up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 15, 2004 How long will it take for pitcher's to figure out that he can get a hit everytime they walk him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 My favourite parts of the ESPN.com story previewing the voting were where they mentioned that, had Barry gotten no hits this year, he still would've had a higher OBP than the NL batting champ, and that Barry got more intentional walks than the AL walks leader had, total. How long can he keep this up? Awesome stat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I think Edmonds, Rolen, and Pujols were all much more deserving of the MVP than Bonds. I'm going against Moneyball here and saying FUCK on-base percentage. The three Cardinals earned it by busting their asses all season long. Bonds drew intentional walks. If I was a menacing black man with needles up my ass that made me hit baseballs into the stratosphere, I could just stand there and draw intentional walks from chicken-shit pitchers too. The three Cardinals were just outstanding baseball players in all respects. Bonds took intentional walks and hit home runs. He was no outstanding fielder. As worthless as the Giants are without Bonds, imagine how worthless the Cardinals would have been without Edmonds, Rolen, and Pujols. Bonds didn't earn this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I think Edmonds, Rolen, and Pujols were all much more deserving of the MVP than Bonds. I'm going against Moneyball here and saying FUCK on-base percentage. The three Cardinals earned it by busting their asses all season long. Bonds drew intentional walks. If I was a menacing black man with needles up my ass that made me hit baseballs into the stratosphere, I could just stand there and draw intentional walks from chicken-shit pitchers too. The three Cardinals were just outstanding baseball players in all respects. Bonds took intentional walks and hit home runs. He was no outstanding fielder. As worthless as the Giants are without Bonds, imagine how worthless the Cardinals would have been without Edmonds, Rolen, and Pujols. Bonds didn't earn this one. You can't be serious. An OPS of over 1400 doesn't earn MVP? The Cardinals argument doesn't hold water, either, unless the voters are allowed to vote for a guy named Pujolsrolenedmonds. All three of them gone would be devastating, sure, but losing only one doesn't have nearly the impact on the Cards that losing Bonds would to the Giants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 A three-way tie would've been the fairest way to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fanofcoils Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I remember last year when Bonds won MVP there was no topic here that mentioned that. No love for 2003 Barry Bonds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I don't have love for Barry Bonds of any year. He gets all the love he needs from ESPN. The hell does he need us for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 I remember last year when Bonds won MVP there was no topic here that mentioned that. No love for 2003 Barry Bonds. http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...topic=45168&hl= And I started the thread! I hate Bonds but there is no legitimate argument for him not winning the MVP this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 As worthless as the Giants are without Bonds, imagine how worthless the Cardinals would have been without Edmonds, Rolen, and Pujols. Bonds didn't earn this one. Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen protected each other in the line-up. Bonds had the benefit of NOBODY to protect him, and still put up a 1400 OPS. Bonds' season was unparalleled statistically. He hit .362 to win his second NL batting title in three seasons and shattered the major league record with a .609 on-base percentage, topping the previous mark of .582 he set two years ago. He walked 232 times, 34 more than the previous record he set in 2002 and more than 100 better than anyone else in baseball this season, and his 120 intentional walks obliterated the old mark of 68, also set by Bonds in 2002. Bonds hit 45 homers in 373 at-bats, while Beltre hit a major league-leading 48 in 598 at-bats and Pujols had 46 in 592. "I never think I have a chance to win any awards being walked," he said. "Your chances are minuscule compared to their chances." Bonds' .812 slugging percentage led the major leagues for the fourth straight season but fell short of the record he set at .863 in 2001. He hit 45 homers and matched Aaron's NL record of eight 40-homer seasons, trailing only Ruth's major league mark of 11. He also became the first player in major league history with 13 consecutive 30-homer seasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 EDIT: Double post. ::waits for person who cast 3rd-place vote for Bonds to be revealed:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted November 15, 2004 great moments in voting Clemens 8th (Randy Johnson 19th) Gagne 11th Pierre 16th Smoltz 21st Burnitez 24th Castilla 26th Rollins 30th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Definitely the right choice. Sure, losing ALL three of Rolen, Edmonds, and Pujols would have been devastating to the Cardinals, but losing its three best offensive players should be devastating to ANY team. Losing just one of them would have a much smaller impact, as we saw when Rolen was hurt late in the season. Without Bonds, the Giants were a AAA team. With a cadaver hitting behind him all year, Bonds still put up ridiculous numbers and had one of the finest offensive seasons in history. There was no other choice to be made. Whoever voted him 3rd should be drowned in McCovey Cove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Al needs to show some outrage over Bobby Abreu showing up on only two ballots and they were just a 9th and 10th place vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Al's probably just coming down from the high of a Jimmy Rollins MVP vote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Al needs to show some outrage over Bobby Abreu showing up on only two ballots and they were just a 9th and 10th place vote. You've got to wonder sometimes. Abreu hit .300, hit 30 home runs, stole 40 bases (at an 88% success rate), drew 127 walks, garnered 105 RBIs, and hit into only 5 double plays the entire season. J.D. Drew finished six for a similar performance. Seriously, do voters even know he exists? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Come on al, as soon as the Phillies dropped out of the playoff race you knew that would happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Come on al, as soon as the Phillies dropped out of the playoff race you knew that would happen. I don't expect him to come close to winning. But they couldn't even identify Abreu as more valuable than Jim Thome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Ok, I just looked at the full voting for the first time and Abreu's spot is just absurd. Getting stomped by Alou, Finley, Kent?!? I would like to know where the Philly voter put him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 He got two votes, and there are two Philly writers in the voting. Sounds pretty straightforward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 You would think so, but you know the Philly relationship with Abreu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Yeah. "His lack of hustle was maddening at times" was my favorite quote of the season. How can someone steal 40 bases without hustling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 16, 2004 Because 35 of those steals, apparently, came with noone on and Thome up to bat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
