ROH All Star Extravaganza II

[Michrome 0]

This one is in Elizabeth. Only 5 matches booked so far.

 

CM Punk vs. Samoa Joe (World Title, No time limit)

Austin Aries vs. Low Ki (Winner gets a title shot)

Bryan Danielson vs. Homicide

Havana Pitbulls vs. Nigel Mcginniss/Chad Collyer

Special K vs. ROH Students

 

There's a lot more to be added but it's looking stellar so far.

[Garth 0]

That is a fantastic looking card, that at the moment should be nothing short of amazing.

 

What are peoples thoughts on the Punk vs Joe match? Who does everyone think will win, and how long will it go this time round?

I want Punk to win, but theres still quite a bit for Joe to do with the title. Especailly the much clamoured for title match between Joe and Low Ki which we have the potential to be seeing shortly.

I'm really not sure though time length wise though. I don't think it will go an hour though.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

I'm thinking Punk might win, as Joe-Ki will be a feud that doesnt need the title to make it big. I'd love a 60mins+ match with Punk taking the strap.

We could then have Punk vs. Aries, Ki, Shelley, Homicide, Dragon etc and maybe then drop it to Aries or back to Joe sometime next year.

[Guest NateRizzle]

That is a fantastic looking card, that at the moment should be nothing short of amazing.

 

What are peoples thoughts on the Punk vs Joe match? Who does everyone think will win, and how long will it go this time round?

I want Punk to win, but theres still quite a bit for Joe to do with the title. Especailly the much clamoured for title match between Joe and Low Ki which we have the potential to be seeing shortly.

I'm really not sure though time length wise though. I don't think it will go an hour though.

You don't think it will go an hour? What's the point of making it no time limit and building the story of neither man can win in 60 minutes then?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Im guessing they will either do Punk/Aries for the title or Joe/Ki for the title. Either way it looks great.

[Guest NateRizzle]

I'm going with Punk. You've got several defenses lined up. Shelley (his main rival), Aries (IIRC they're 1-1 against each other), Joe (obligatory rematch), Homicide (the guy Punk could never beat), Danielson (another guy he's never beat).

 

Midcard wise, BJ Whitmer (old rival), Jay Lethal (took Punk to the limit), Rocky Romero (team holds vicotry over Punk's team), either Briscoe for the same reason. Punk would have a hell of a title reign.

[JoeDirt 0]

Nah, Joe will win. I think. Joe still has big title matches possible with Corino, Ki, Aries, Nigel, even Shelley. He can hold on to the belt for a little longer, at least past the anniversary show.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I think Joe v Punk III will end up in some sort of draw or double pin type scenario. Joe will demand five more minutes, and Punk accepts. Right at the end of the five minutes, Punk has Joe beat, but the bell rings. Punk then asks for five more minutes, and the crowd cheer wildly. Joe says he'd love to. Some other time. He's taking his belt, and going, and Joe leaves to incredible heat, Punk looks strong by having Joe down for the count, Joe also stays strong because he'll have the heat from refusing Punk's request, and they don't have to beat either man just yet, and can go back to the match again.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

There's NO time limit. Thus a draw is impossible unless they both are unable to compete and thus would be considered a "no contest".

 

There has too be a concise winner this time; I think ROH should have gone Corino/Joe for ASX2 instead and save Joe/Punk III for Final Battle (but Corino's schedule is rough with his Z1 Commitments).

 

I'd like to see a Title change but I honestly don't think PUNK will pull it off here; but if he loses he completely has no reason to get another shot at it as he lost 3 shots at it and likely Homicide or Aries take the belt and they have his proverbial number as well.

 

Punk; in my honest Opinion and it might sound odd is the ROH's version of HBK. Always going to be over and perfect for a main event run but doesn't NEED a title run.

[Guest NateRizzle]

Punk; in my honest Opinion and it might sound odd is the ROH's version of HBK. Always going to be over and perfect for a main event run but doesn't NEED a title run.

ROH is not about NEEDING a title. I can't stress how much that phrase makes my blood boil. No wrestler should be above the World Title. The World title, especially in ROH, is considered the top prize. If a wrestler is over enough to warrant that phrase then he'll probably add a lot to the title don't you think? The wrestlers should be putting over the Title, not the other way around.

 

Just added:

 

Jimmy Rave vs. John Walters for the Pure Title

Maff & Whitmer vs. Loc & Devtio vs. Dunn & Marcos vs. OCK in a scramble

[Cuban Linx 0]

Have they specified that Ki/Aries is for a WORLD title shot, or could say Low Ki if he wins potentially decide to get a Pure Title shot instead?

 

Either way it should be a great first time matchup, and with rematches of ROH's two best matches so far this year this show could really be Ring of Honor's best so far.

[Cuban Linx 0]

Double Post.

[JoeDirt 0]

Is Shelley going to miss this card because of TNA's PPV that weekend?

[Garth 0]

That is a fantastic looking card, that at the moment should be nothing short of amazing.

 

What are peoples thoughts on the Punk vs Joe match? Who does everyone think will win, and how long will it go this time round?

I want Punk to win, but theres still quite a bit for Joe to do with the title. Especailly the much clamoured for title match between Joe and Low Ki which we have the potential to be seeing shortly.

I'm really not sure though time length wise though. I don't think it will go an hour though.

You don't think it will go an hour? What's the point of making it no time limit and building the story of neither man can win in 60 minutes then?

I haven't seen their second time limit draw, but to me it seems thier first one was allot of feeling out and Punk trying to wear Joe out thinking he can't go the distance but obviously that hasn't been the case. It seems to me that the wear Joe out stratagy hasn't work so Punk should probably just give it his all and finish Joe as quickly as possible. Thats just me theorising though and is most likely going to be proved wrong. Either its not going near 60 or it will not only go 60 but piss all over 60 minutes is what I'm thinking.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

There's NO time limit. Thus a draw is impossible unless they both are unable to compete and thus would be considered a "no contest".

Hence me saying there could be a double-pin situation as well. And just because the match as no official time limit, that doesn't stop them doing some sort of angle where the State Athletic Commission 'informs' them that the show must end at a set time. I mean, with no time-limit, the match could theoretically go on for 3 hours, but it's not going to go for that long.

[Michrome 0]

Part of being a succesful indy is not pulling that kind of WCW bullshit. If they end the match with some kind of DQ or bullshit finish they will just alienate a lot of fans.

[Tim Cooke 0]

Joe's title reign can come to an end against Punk. Not saying it will- but the booking to this point would make a lot of sense.

 

What is more satisfying? Joe defeating Punk after Punk draws him twice or Punk finally overcoming Joe? I think the latter is clearly better. If Joe beats Punk, Punk is done with Joe and puts ROH into a deeper hole with how to end the Joe's reign, unless they have some brillant idea packed away. Punk winning the title leads to many more feuds as said above. Shelley, Danielson, Homicide, etc. Joe then has his situation with Ki, which is a main event angle that doesn't need a title to draw.

 

Not saying Joe will lose on 12/4. But if the match goes to a draw some how or Punk just loses, it is very unsatisfying booking. See Baba waiting WAY too long to pull the trigger on Kawada to go over Misawa.

 

Tim

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

First and foremost the time of the match is going to depend on the angle they go. If Joe keeps, this match will NOT go 60 minutes as they will do something like Joe knew the longer the match went the more trouble he would be in type deal. If Punk wins the title, it'll be LONG........WAY longer than 60 minutes. I could see them doing a superman thing with Punk that would get him over HUGE and I mean more over than he's ever been anywhere before. If the match were to go well over an hour and it's anything like their other two matches..........they crowd would eat this out of ROH's hand. Personally, I think they will have Joe keep. I definately agree with Tim that they should really do this now before they miss the boat and back themselves in a corner with the title.

[Tim Cooke 0]

Regardless of who wins the match, I really hope they don't go the 60+ minute route. All along the story has had Punk as the smartest of Joe's challengers (through 10/2 when Danielson was able to do so) by figuring out a strategy that he could at least hang with him and get a re-match. I think it would be best for Punk to come out firing with a new strategy and be able take Joe out in 25-30 minutes. If they were doing the match in February of 2005 or later, going 60+ wouldn't be a problem with me. I guess it is more of a wait and see thing but I have my concerns about the rube Elizabeth crowd being able to handle a third 60 minute match, when most probably won't see 10/16 prior.

 

Tim

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Regardless of who wins the match, I really hope they don't go the 60+ minute route. All along the story has had Punk as the smartest of Joe's challengers (through 10/2 when Danielson was able to do so) by figuring out a strategy that he could at least hang with him and get a re-match. I think it would be best for Punk to come out firing with a new strategy and be able take Joe out in 25-30 minutes. If they were doing the match in February of 2005 or later, going 60+ wouldn't be a problem with me. I guess it is more of a wait and see thing but I have my concerns about the rube Elizabeth crowd being able to handle a third 60 minute match, when most probably won't see 10/16 prior.

 

Tim

Good points Tim, as I would agree that this one won't go that long. I was thinking maybe they might do this if Punk is slated to win.

 

Punk pulls a Muhammad Ali and basically makes Joe wear himself out, only to turn it on at the end and go for the win. Basically a huge superman like comeback to get the crowd going nuts. Honestly though, I'm sticking with Joe winning. I STILL don't think they are ready to take it off of him just yet. Hopefully, if this is the case.........they have a serious plan to follow to take the title off Joe.

[Michrome 0]

I think the belt is going to Aries 12/26. I think they've gotta do Joe-Aries still, and frankly Joe is getting the biggest pops of the night and is getting great press all over. I don't see any reason to take it off him. There is also Joe-Lethal down the line I think.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Really Michrome? You actually think they'd give it to Aries? Honestly, I think that'd be a terrible decision unless he was just going transitional to give the belt up to someone else. I think they'd be better off giving it to Punk over Aries, but that's just my opinion......

[Michrome 0]

I can't see it going to Punk right now. He has no hot feuds going at all, he is a total flop as a babyface besides the Joe matches. He needs to turn heel. Aries is the hottest thing they have going, and he's not all over all of the other east coast indies either. He's fresh, and there is a nice brewing feud with him and Shelley on the horizon.

[JoeDirt 0]

I can see the title going to Aries, but not on 12/26. Maybe at the 2nd anniversary show or later in a rematch. Joe still has a few fresh title defenses they might as well get through before he drops it. (Corino, Shelley, Nigel, etc)

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Regardless of how Joe v Punk III turns out, I don't see the next champion being a transitional one. I think whoever the next champion is is going to be the guy who has the most potential challengers lined up. Gabe didn't build the RoH Title up with a near 2-year reign for Joe, only to chip away a big chunk of that prestige with a short-term title reign for someone. Whoever holds the RoH Title next is almost certainly going to hold it for at least close to a year.