Royal Rumble 2005 winner: Cena or Orton?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I'd like to see everyone get eliminated after #29, so that the 30th guy automatically wins. It would kill the town and the ppv, but it would be great.

It would only work with someone like Spike Dudley.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I just wanna see a high number win it. Number one has won it multiple times, but number thirty has never won it? C'mon!

 

I'd be pretty happy to see someone like Batista or Kane win too. Since being a big man in a Rumble is ALWAYS played up...you'd think they'd win it.

 

A big man with a high number would make sense. Like Batista with number twenty-seven. Something like that. A lot better than Shawn Michaels with number one.

Actually, 11 times out of 17 a high number HAS won the Royal Rumble...

 

1988: "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan (no. 13 (only 20 entrants that year)

1989: Big John Studd (no. 27)

1990: Hulk Hogan (no. 25)

1991: Hulk Hogan (no. 24)

1993: Yokozuna (no. 27)

1994: Lex Luger (no. 23) and Bret "Hit Man" Hart (no. 27)

1998: Stone Cold Steve Austin (no. 24)

2000: The Rock (no. 24)

2001: Stone Cold Steve Austin (no. 27)

2002: Triple H (no. 22)

2003: Brock Lesnar (no. 29 AND Wrestled earlier in the night)

 

EDIT: Oh, and I think the reason that 30 never wins it is because it would seem TOO easy for him to win since he's the last entrant. Kafabe wise, he wins it because he's overly confident that he's going to get the victory since he's the freshest person out there at the moment.

[Guest Coffey]

It would only work with someone like Spike Dudley.

It'd have to be a face. Someone WAY out of their element. Like The Hurricane. Someone like that. Then have the Wrestlemania title match be some sort or gimmick...like a Hell in the Cell. Of course, the match wouldn't need the gimmick, but you know WWE wouldn't give the HUGE UNDERDOG the upset victory on the biggest show they have. So, just beat the ever-living slop out of the babyface using the gimmick and get him tons of sympathy heat.

 

It could "make" someone. "That tough little bastard just won't quit. Damnit Hurricane, just stay down."

 

Actually, 11 times out of 17 a high number HAS won the Royal Rumble...

 

It certainly doesn't feel like it. Especially when number one wins so damn much. Hell, didn't Vince McMahon win it with the first number? Either that or he was two....

 

Oh, and I think the reason that 30 never wins it is because it would seem TOO easy for him to win since he's the last entrant. Kafabe wise, he wins it because he's overly confident that he's going to get the victory since he's the freshest person out there at the moment.

 

I agree with that...if it's a heel. Of course, you'd think that number 29 would've won before last year too.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

"And at #30, the special guest royal rumble participant... STEVE URKEL!"

 

[Cuban Linx 0]

The predictable route that they go every year would lead to Orton winning it, unless the WWE decides to do something interesting or creative instead. Since interesting or creative don't compute with the WWE, Orton is winning.

[bob_barron 0]

#1 has only won twice.

Vince was #2.

 

A high number won it 4 times in 5 years before 2004

[ChrisMWaters 0]

It would only work with someone like Spike Dudley.

It'd have to be a face. Someone WAY out of their element. Like The Hurricane. Someone like that. Then have the Wrestlemania title match be some sort or gimmick...like a Hell in the Cell. Of course, the match wouldn't need the gimmick, but you know WWE wouldn't give the HUGE UNDERDOG the upset victory on the biggest show they have. So, just beat the ever-living slop out of the babyface using the gimmick and get him tons of sympathy heat.

 

It could "make" someone. "That tough little bastard just won't quit. Damnit Hurricane, just stay down."

I could see them doing that if Eugene was set to win the Royal Rumble for some odd reason.

 

Actually, 11 times out of 17 a high number HAS won the Royal Rumble...

 

It certainly doesn't feel like it. Especially win number one wins so damn much. Hell, didn't Vince McMahon win it with the first number? Either that or he was two....

 

Vince McMahon was number 2...but for how long he was out of the ring for the match and doing nothing, he could (despite Chyna OFFICIALLY having the role) be considered the TRUE number 30 entrant.

[Guest Coffey]

#1 has only won twice.

Two more times than number thirty and one more time than number twenty-nine. Still, with a number two winning it, it's the same damn thing. They both have to start from the beginning.

[Just call me Dan 0]

If a heel wins it, I want them to do it where the crowd is duped into thinking one guy won it, but the heel murders him with a chairshot and dumps him (ala Jericho 2003). All these Rumbles like 2002 w/ Maven and 2004 (?) with Spike Dudley never being rightly eliminated always leave us wondering if somehow those guys will claim thier shot at the title or at least thier shot at the winner for a shot at the title because of thier not being eliminated.

[Guest Coffey]

Well, at least with Pat Patterson gone, the Royal Rumble will be interesting to watch this year. If for no other reason, to see if we can tell that's it's being booked differently.

[Just call me Dan 0]

I think that sucks seeing how, IMO the 2003 and 2004 Rumbles were some of the best booked EVER.

[alfdogg 0]

If a heel wins it, I want them to do it where the crowd is duped into thinking one guy won it, but the heel murders him with a chairshot and dumps him (ala Jericho 2003). All these Rumbles like 2002 w/ Maven and 2004 (?) with Spike Dudley never being rightly eliminated always leave us wondering if somehow those guys will claim thier shot at the title or at least thier shot at the winner for a shot at the title because of thier not being eliminated.

Or Bastion Booger in 1994.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

All these Rumbles like 2002 w/ Maven

Actually, there's some confusion there with whether or not Maven was TRULY eliminated, due to that rule changing every so often in the Royal Rumble history.

 

Example: 1990, Bad News Brown eliminated "Rowdy" Roddy Piper from the Royal Rumble when he was already eliminated...

 

1996, Vader throws Shawn Michaels over the top rope after being eliminated, but Michaels is allowed to still compete.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

They did the Dupe in 1995. They did the heel does dastardly thing at the end to "win" in 1997.

 

I hate how only 1991(Hogan/Quake) 1993(Yoko/Savage), and 2001(Austin/Kane) and 2004 did the Final Two men really have a match like deal to win.

 

1992-Flair flips Sid out

1994-They throw a couple punches and tumble over

1995-Bulldog kicks a couple times and press slams shawn on ropes, shakes him off and clotheslines him over and shawn pulls in to shove smith out

1996-Diesel turns around after dumping Kama and getting SCM.

1997-Austin shoves four guys over at once

1998-A couple austin punches and stunner and tosses Rock over

1999-Austin and McMahon stare, runs and taunt and Rocky pulls austin over

2000-a few punches, ROCK gets picked up and carried over the ropes and rock reverses the move to "win"

2002-A few punches, angle tosses HHH over, HHH holds on and does the back arch thing and hurls Angle over (may or may not did a pedigree)

2003- Brock and 'Taker push and shove a bit and Brock then shoves him over

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Well, for 1994 and 1995...it kinda makes sense in that aspect that they have the shorter endings.

 

1994 Luger was attacked by Tenryu and Kabuki, Bret Hart had his "leg kicked out from his leg" by Owen.

 

1995:...well, the guys were 1 and 2 respectively.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Yoko/Savage was a completely dull portion in an already dead Rumble Match. Everyone knew Savage wasn't winning. Hell, even as a kid, I knew once Backlund was dumped I knew Yokozuna was winning.

 

WHY THE HELL DID SAVAGE TRY A PIN?!

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

1989-Dibiase

1990-Perfect

1993-Savage

2003-Undertaker

 

The only times #30 was even in the final 2 men.

 

Average number for the last man eliminated from 1989 and on?

30 (Dibiase)

30 (Perfect)

22 (Earthquake)

29 (SID)

30 (Savage)

18 (the 27th man out-shawn)

2 (Bulldog)

22 (Diesel)

21 (Bret)

4 (Rock)

1 (Austin)

24(The official runner up is the rock not tbs)

6 (Kane)

26 (Angle)

30 (Taker)

24 (TBS)

 

18. 31 is the average # for the runner up.

 

So drawing #30 means shit to win or even place runner up.

[Guest LooneyTune]

18. 31 is the average # for the runner up.

Wha?!

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Yoko/Savage was a completely dull portion in an already dead Rumble Match. Everyone knew Savage wasn't winning. Hell, even as a kid, I knew once Backlund was dumped I knew Yokozuna was winning.

 

WHY THE HELL DID SAVAGE TRY A PIN?!

The crowd was pretty alive for the Savage portion of the Rumble. They died for most of the card, 'cept Hening dumping Flair, 'Taker dominating the ring, his eliminate, earthquake/yoko showdown, Savage's enterance pop and when he had yoko teetering on the ropes.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

WHY THE HELL DID SAVAGE TRY A PIN?!

His mind was a little out of it due to being hit hard with Yoko's huge mass.

 

Plus, it made a more impressive visual, seeing Yoko push Savage off of his body from a pinning position all the way to the arena floor.

[NoCalMike 0]

I think Taijiri should win.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

with the exception of 2004 with Benoit's struggle to eliminate TBS and Shawn hanging by one foot in 1995 (an impressive visual at the time esp considering it was 38 minutes into the match and he could have easily slipped)...Savage being chucked off the mat to the floor was the coolest finish ever.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

More rumble weirdness...Why hasn't Chicago or Canada(not counting the 1988 one in Ontario) hosted a Rumble? I mean Albany? Providence? Fresno (twice).

 

Chicago and a real Canadian crowd would be fantastic for a Rumble, they always have great heat and they can create dumb chants for the dull periods.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

More rumble weirdness...Why hasn't Chicago or Canada(not counting the 1988 one in Ontario) hosted a Rumble? I mean Albany? Providence? Fresno (twice).

 

Chicago and a real Canadian crowd would be fantastic for a Rumble, they always have great heat and they can create dumb chants for the dull periods.

Before we debate why this is...where is the Rumble THIS year?

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Fresno. or if you mean "THIS" year as in 2004...It was Philly.

[Guest Fook_Theta]

I think Taijiri should win.

With the Tarantula.

 

Still waiting for the Great MUTA played by Johnny Stamboli to make an appearance. Oh how that would be great. He could finish off the last guy with engineered mist that when it finally lands on the mat, it spells out "Why am I booked in this shit?"

[CanadianChick 0]

I want someone like Jericho to win. Not too unpredictable to be borderline stupid, but surprising. I really, really do not want Orton to win.

[Just call me Dan 0]

I don't hate Orton at all, and I don't want him to win. Most feuds being built up from late in the year before WM heavily should not use the Rumble to further the storyline. That is what should be used as fodder to make the winner a question and the Rumble can catapult its own storyline/build before Wrestlemania. I don't really see Cena as even a remote possibility, as Angle/Taker winning seems more logical when considering neither have won a Rumble and would both love to add that to thier credentials.

 

I honesty want HBK/Angle but I'm pretty set in getting ready for the Angle/Taker showdown and seeing perhaps and angle/HBK match at Summerslam.

 

If Cena and JBL face off, because Angle/HBK goes down, what the hell does Taker do? He and Eddy are pretty well cemented as faces and I don't see Take going for his normal midcard hoss squashing. The guy has had matches at the last few "Big 2" PPVs with the likes of Test, Albert, Show, Nathan Jones, JBL, Kane, etc. and would probably, bythis pont, REALLY be lobbying for a possibility of having a classic match at WM with a grat opponent.

 

Armageddon should really get the booking for WM rolling from a Smackdown WWE title standpoint. We'll see who pulls it out in the 4 way (Taker, JBL, or Booker to hotshot it to Angle).

[Guest Shutterspeed]

To answer the thread title's question, Randy Orton without a doubt. I'm growing tired of John Cena's saccharine little "face rapper" promos, whereas Orton's is a character that can't run out of steam.

 

He also rivals Cena in the ring and is much more interesting at this point.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Rey Mysterio, Jr. is going to win the Royal Rumble.

 

You'll see.